I don't want to beat up on Reed, but his receivers made some great catches that helped his #'s.

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I would just look at touchdowns and interceptions vs. P-4 (and ND) opponents

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I would look at accurate balls or completions thrown by various distances. I would also examine down and distance. It's pretty easy to throw a short checkdown on 3rd and 25.

tk for tu juan said:

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Here are some passing stat splits for the people who just want to focus on one thing and ignore the special teams sucking donkey ****, the team's sack leader getting zero sacks in final three games, rushing defense gap misses, etc.

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All QBs up to NFL pro bowlers have similar drop offs in the red zone. This is why a running game matters. Once you have the extra defenders (back of end zone) and 11 defenders essentially within 20-30 yards, the QB running threat fades. The deep ball fades. The pass rush becomes more effective.

You are essentially left with timing plays and small window throws. This is not hard to understand the drop off.

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Crocker said:

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"Improvement can be made, but I've always felt when it comes to accuracy, you either have it or you don't"
- Sun Tzu

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Good feet placement can improve accuracy along with a good throwing motion. He seems to lack both and needs to really work on that this spring.

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Consistent accuracy cannot be taught at this point. He is what he is. Elko and staff need to leverage his strengths. He may desire to be a NFL pocket passer but that ain't happening. Reed can be very successful but he needs to recognize running opportunities more often and our OC needs to leverage those strengths more regularly. It ain't rocket science.

dcg4403 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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Crocker said:

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"Improvement can be made, but I've always felt when it comes to accuracy, you either have it or you don't"
- Sun Tzu

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Good feet placement can improve accuracy along with a good throwing motion. He seems to lack both and needs to really work on that this spring.

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Consistent accuracy cannot be taught at this point. He is what he is. Elko and staff need to leverage his strengths. He may desire to be a NFL pocket passer but that ain't happening. Reed can be very successful but he needs to recognize running opportunities more often and our OC needs to leverage those strengths more regularly. It ain't rocket science.

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Be careful as you'll be known as a Mike Leach Leech.

What were his stats when we ran for over 200 yards vs when we were under it? When we couldn't run the ball and he had to throw it he wasn't very good. If we run the ball more he is fine. Very few QBs can keep a high % when the other team knows you are throwing it.

It seems to me that completion% alone isn't a great stat to rate quarterbacks, since it doesn't account for the depth of the throw.

Does anyone have YPA or EPA stats for Reed?

I doubt the picture will change much, in his case, as there should be a consensus there's lots of room for improvement.

Reed, himself, would probably agree.

Accuracy, not to be confused with completion percentage is mostly innate imo.

Good pass pro, a running game that keeps you more in 3rd and short/medium than 3rd and long, WRs with a good catch radius like Horton and familiarity with the offenae earlier on can all help completion percentage though

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I'm sorry, but 10 just doesn't have what it takes to be QB1 on a championship level team. The last 2 games made that very clear.

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2026 will define his career. Most of the last 10 national title winning QBs had 25-30+ career starts when they won the big one. I'm not saying a national title is the benchmark obviously, but in year 3 as the starter you'd expect him to reach his peak.

Regardless of how mad TexAgs is at Reed right now, he and the offense took a leap forward from 2024 to 2025. A similar sized jump could mean great things.

He absolutely played poorly when it mattered most, but I'm not all the way out yet.

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What were his stats when we ran for over 200 yards vs when we were under it? When we couldn't run the ball and he had to throw it he wasn't very good. If we run the ball more he is fine. Very few QBs can keep a high % when the other team knows you are throwing it.

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There's not really anything there with completion %.

Against MSST we had 299 yards rushing and he completed 56.5%. Against Texas we had 157 yards rushing and he completed 63.5%. Against Miami we had 89 yards rushing and he completed 64.%.

The biggest difference between Texas and Miami and every other game is in yards per attempt and yards per completion. Texas was 5.6 and Miami was 6.1 in YPA. The next lowest was 7.6 against Mizzou. Texas was 9 and Miami was 9.5 in YPC. The next lowest was Mizzou at 11.1.

We averaged 4.6 YPC against Texas for 157 yards and only 2.5 against Miami for 89 yards, and the 4.6 against Texas was pretty average for us. In contrast, our next worst passing game against Mizzou was our best running game of the year, averaging 6.2 YPC for 243 yards.

Texas and Miami could be considered heavy passing games. We passed for 48.5% against Texas and 52.7% against Miami. Comparatively, we passed guy 57.4% against SC, 47.8% against Arkansas, and 53.6% against ND. We also passed for almost 60% against UTSA, but that's UTSA. Our overall average was 44%.

All that said, in his more pedestrian games we had a truly great run game. The difference in the losses we had was not in completion percentage, but yards. I'm not breaking down individual passes at this point, but it seems like we were making more shorter throws. Against Texas, 157 yards on the ground and 4.6 YPC should be an adequate run game. 5.6 YPA passing is just pathetic, though.

ElephantRider said:

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Reed has no touch on his passes

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Notre Dame would beg to differ.

wcb said:

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ElephantRider said:

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Reed has no touch on his passes

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Notre Dame would beg to differ.

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I'm not sure they would. He was 17/37 and averaged 9.7 YPA. That goes down to 7.6 YPA if you take out the 86 yard TD pass to Craver on the third drive that was about 75 yards after the catch and involved Craver spinning out of a couple of tackles as he somehow stayed inbounds running down the sideline. The throw was also a little bit behind Craver.

Yeah we won the game on a great 4th down pass, but let's not pretend like the rest of the game went well. He had some great passes, but also a lot of bad ones and a handful where he got a lot of help from the receivers.

Marcel Reed threw for 15 touchdowns and 12 interceptions against 10 Power 4 opponents, and he threw 0 touchdowns and 4 interceptions in our last two games against Texas and Miami.

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Marcel Reed threw for 15 touchdowns and 12 interceptions against 10 Power 4 opponents, and he threw 0 touchdowns and 4 interceptions in our last two games against Texas and Miami.

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Against USC he should have had 5 pics in the 1st half. 3 were dropped and he threw 2. But... he also had the best half in his career 2nd half. Dude just isn't consistent. That's gotta change.

He's consistently inconsistent

"If you take out all the good things he did, his stats really weren't that good"

"His receivers made good catches to help him"

"A lot of yards were due to YAC by his receivers"

Hilarious watching all you dorks work so hard to belittle him and then never hold QBs for any other school to the same standards.

Some of you will be shocked to know that the teams with the most YAC yards and make the most tough catches end up being the ones with the best QBs and WRs

Bunk Moreland said:

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"If you take out all the good things he did, his stats really weren't that good"

"His receivers made good catches to help him"

"A lot of yards were due to YAC by his receivers"

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Taking out YAC takes the good things other players did away Reed's stats. Principle Component Analysis

Josh Allen's pass completion rate % in college was consistently around 56%. In the past few years in the NFL it's been around 65-70%, so increased nearly 15 pts. Should someone tell him he shouldn't have improved his accuracy because folk hero Mike Leach said so?

Reed may get better next year, he might not. Who knows. It's up to him how badly he wants to improve. I certainly hope he gets better, but he might not. Only time will tell.

I do agree that pass completion % doesn't tell the whole story though. It definitely helped his numbers throwing to KC this year.

Bunk Moreland said:

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"If you take out all the good things he did, his stats really weren't that good"

"His receivers made good catches to help him"

"A lot of yards were due to YAC by his receivers"

Hilarious watching all you dorks work so hard to belittle him and then never hold QBs for any other school to the same standards.

Some of you will be shocked to know that the teams with the most YAC yards and make the most tough catches end up being the ones with the best QBs and WRs

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Wow...

The point was, he was ****ing terrible against ND. You don't even need to take away Craver's insane play and Reed's bad throw on that TD pass. A 46% pass completion rate flat out sucks.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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"If you take out all the good things he did, his stats really weren't that good"

"His receivers made good catches to help him"

"A lot of yards were due to YAC by his receivers"

Hilarious watching all you dorks work so hard to belittle him and then never hold QBs for any other school to the same standards.

Some of you will be shocked to know that the teams with the most YAC yards and make the most tough catches end up being the ones with the best QBs and WRs

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Wow...

The point was, he was ****ing terrible against ND. You don't even need to take away Craver's insane play and Reed's bad throw on that TD pass. A 46% pass completion rate flat out sucks.

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360 yards and 2 TD's, leading a team to 41 points on the road in a very hostile environment in primetime at night is never "****ing terrible"

Please try to understand how stupid you sound.

So we're giving him credit for the whole team to make up for his abysmal completion percentage?

Dude, give it up. You guys who are hyperfocused on accuracy are ignoring the real reason we stunk in the So Carolina, tu, and Miami games.

I'm not going to look up stats, but, I'm fairly certain Ags vs So Carolina were 1/3 in fg, lost 2 fumbles, 2 interceptions.
Vs tu, Ags had a blocked fg and 1 make. Also had 2 int
Vs Miami had a blocked fg and I think 1 make. Threw 2 int.

There might have been a blocked punt in there and lord knows punt coverage gave up some big punt returns.

Special teams (including punt coverage) absolutely stunk last 4 games of the year.

Ball protection ( be it funble, int, blocked kicks) were horrible. By all counts we could just as easily have lost the USCe game. Even with a 500+ yard offensive game, we were a whisker away from an L.

I'm one who scratched my head when Wiggins was named Off Coord. I said a bad word when the Qb coach was named. Having said that, if the accuracy does not improve but the special teams play and penalties are addressed, the Ags will have a great year. The QB coach has only pedestrian QBs to show for his coaching career. Wiggins has never called plays. It's Elko's call and I'll accept it. We can all be really pi$$ed if it comes unraveled.

I have no idea how the transfers will pan out. Based on last year, Elko had good success with the guys he brought in.

Bottom line . . . our issues vs USCe, tu, and Miami had more to do with penalties, ball security, and ****ty kicking game. Accuracy +/- 5% points would not have changed the outcome of those games.

I'd love better QB reads, quicker throws on good reads, and accuracy. If we get the first 2 and we get special teams right, things will be lots better.

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Dude, give it up. You guys who are hyperfocused on accuracy are ignoring the real reason we stunk in the So Carolina, tu, and Miami games.

I'm not going to look up stats, but, I'm fairly certain Ags vs So Carolina were 1/3 in fg, lost 2 fumbles, 2 interceptions.
Vs tu, Ags had a blocked fg and 1 make. Also had 2 int
Vs Miami had a blocked fg and I think 1 make. Threw 2 int.

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Not the best counterargument imo. Especially when you highlight Reed's INTs. And as was pointed out before, he absolutely should've had more in the SC game.

Really, really hard to win when you give the ball to the other team and can't complete open throws for TDs

Accuracy as it relates to the ball being placed so the receiver can maximize the YAC. Even though some passes were completed with fantastic catches by our receivers it seems like so many passes were completed with many fewer YAC due to poor ball placement and timing.

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ElephantRider said:

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Reed has no touch on his passes

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Notre Dame would beg to differ.

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I'm not sure they would. He was 17/37 and averaged 9.7 YPA. That goes down to 7.6 YPA if you take out the 86 yard TD pass to Craver on the third drive that was about 75 yards after the catch and involved Craver spinning out of a couple of tackles as he somehow stayed inbounds running down the sideline. The throw was also a little bit behind Craver.

Yeah we won the game on a great 4th down pass, but let's not pretend like the rest of the game went well. He had some great passes, but also a lot of bad ones and a handful where he got a lot of help from the receivers.

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He was also a **** hair away from throwing another end zone pick on both of the plays before the 4th down heave to Boerkircher.

Lol Tell me you didn't read the thread without telling me you didn't read the thread