Official Shortage in Houston

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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My daughter's game for today was cancelled due to ref shortage. Her friends on other teams have had the same issue a few times this year as well. Is this a statewide issue and why is this a problem all of a sudden?
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It's a nationwide issue. It was becoming a problem before covid. Young referees who quit after a year or two because they don't want to get yelled at by parents and coaches. When covid hit a good 25-30% of existing refs stopped working and a good chunk of them haven't come back. Some because of covid and some have enjoyed having their weekend time back while realizing the money and abuse wasn't worth it.

Now it's to the point where assignors either are short so many refs that matches are cancelled altogether or they cobble together a crew with a seasoned Referee with ARs that are green and unprepared for games way above their skill level, making the coach and parent complaints even louder.
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All of my son's games have youth ARs. Parents still complain about them. I wouldn't put up with it either.
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I had to officiate my son's U9 game yesterday (I'm coaching the team normally) because they were down to about half their number of officials. So it's an issue here in GA just like in TX.

Like MathematicsGuy said, it's a tough sell with the way parents and fans behave and COVID forced a lot of folks to reevaluate how they were bringing in income from side jobs.
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It is in all sports. Not just soccer. I was planning on getting back into soccer and softball this year but after basketball last year working 5-6 days a week the abuse and travel and time wasn't worth it.
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Like everyone else has said it's been a problem for a long time. High school in my area you are lucky to get a full crew for varsity games. Almost all duels. Young people aren't getting into it. My sons club games have not had a full crew all year. They usually run a center and one ar that's a kid. Parents and coaches are insane.

On one Saturday of club one game the ref had to clear out all the fans from the game. At my daughters game a coach got kicked out and then an academy game of 5 and 6 year olds got cancelled because it got out of control.
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I had a game last week with 2 completely green ARs. Literally on their second week of games. I told both coaches I would have 0 tolerance for any parents. Anything directed at either AR would result in me having both coaches clear the entire sideline of parents. No questions asked. One coach thought I was bluffing. I said "try me". He called his team mom right on the spot and told her to keep everyone muzzled. I never heard a peep all game. You could have heard a pin drop. It was glorious.
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I've never understood why anyone would voluntarily get into refereeing. But God bless them for it!

We only had one assistant at my daughters game Saturday. About a month ago we went to Austin for a pair of games Sat/Sun. Our Sunday game was delayed 2+ hours until they could find a ref, and the 09 game was completely cancelled. That means that whole team paid $100+ on a hotel Saturday night for nothing. They were none too pleased!

I agree parents are annoying, even some on our own team. Saturday one of our parents started yelling "Call it both ways!!!".. we were winning 5-1. gesh!

The worst was a few years ago at a game just before ours. It was a very young ref and the parents on one team were really letting him have it. Then you hear a voice yell "leave him alone!" and it's his MOM sitting under a tree waiting to drive him home! It was uncomfortable. Luckily there was an older official waiting to ref the next game that came over and put all the parents in their place and really stood up for the young ref.
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My wife coaches high level volleyball for high school and club and she asked me why I never got back into reffing soccer matches. I told her to imagine how much parents yell at refs for vball games and double it for soccer. I have better things to do with my Saturday than get yelled at by parents and coaches, majority of whom have no idea what they're talking about
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Funnily, I had several players in that u9 game Saturday try to argue with me about silly things like throw-in possession or incidental handballs in the game I was volunteer reffing. I put a stop to that immediately by threatening to send them to sit with their parents. Ain't no way I'm going to let that bad habit get cemented in early if I can help it.
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Yeah it's amazing when they yell and don't know the rule.

We have had one linesman a couple times this year who is great. He is in his 60s I would guess and one of our parents was yelling about a handball. The linesman told him it wasn't because of a new rule that if it goes off your own leg incidentally into your own arm it's no longer a handball. He then told the parent the URL where he could go to see all the rules along with videos that laid out exactly what the rules mean. Put that parent in his place AND educated him!
Mathguy64
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Parents, most coaches and frankly most players have the same up to date or even basic knowledge of the LOTG as a Peruvian tree frog. Just shut up, cheer for your kids and let the rest go. Yes referees make mistakes. Witness the goof the the Lady Aggies game the other night. But by and large we know what we are doing. I referee probably 20 times the number of games a year that the average player plays in or a coach coaches in and spend countless hours a year in training going over the fine points and changes in the Laws plus on the field mentoring and coaching after matches.

I dont get to yell at you in your job when I think you goofed something. Why you think its ok to yell at me just blows my mind.

Sometimes I wonder why I do this. Then I open my empty liquor cabinet and make a Specs run and it all seems worth it
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Thanks Mathguy for reffing !
Wicked Good Ag
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Sometimes I wonder why I do this. Then I open my empty liquor cabinet and make a Specs run and it all seems worth it



Maybe if you didn't ref you wouldn't have a empty liquor cabinet from all the drinking. So the circular argument of need money for liquor to make it through the reffing season. I know it so well
Mathguy64
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Wicked Good Ag said:



Sometimes I wonder why I do this. Then I open my empty liquor cabinet and make a Specs run and it all seems worth it



Maybe if you didn't ref you wouldn't have a empty liquor cabinet from all the drinking. So the circular argument of need money for liquor to make it through the reffing season. I know it so well
I need to liquor for aggie football and Astros baseball.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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I'm amazed at the tolerance level soccer refs have for player arguments. I can't think of another sport that allows players to circle around and yell at refs in such a manner. Start showing yellows almost immediately and that stuff ends quickly, in my opinion.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

I'm amazed at the tolerance level soccer refs have for player arguments. I can't think of another sport that allows players to circle around and yell at refs in such a manner. Start showing yellows almost immediately and that stuff ends quickly, in my opinion.


Yeah I agree. I think it should be captains and coaches only who can talk to officials. I do think there are times that players need to advocate for something the ref may have missed, but I think letting them do it in the heat of the moment is stupid… they should have to tell their captain or coach who can then take it up with the ref or 4th official.
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Mathguy64 said:

Wicked Good Ag said:



Sometimes I wonder why I do this. Then I open my empty liquor cabinet and make a Specs run and it all seems worth it



Maybe if you didn't ref you wouldn't have a empty liquor cabinet from all the drinking. So the circular argument of need money for liquor to make it through the reffing season. I know it so well
I need to liquor for aggie football and Astros baseball.
There is only one thing needed for Astros baseball and you and I both know that it isn't booze
Mathguy64
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Fortunately thats free
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Respect for refs needs to be more like Rubgy.

wangus12
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Old saying goes.

Rugby is a hooligan's sport played by gentlemen

Football is a gentlemen's sport played by thugs
Jim01
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I was just thinking this last weekend watching EPL how soccer is the only sport I can think of where the players CONSTANTLY make physical contact with the ref. Nothing menacing but they constantly put their arm around them, touch them on the should or arm, etc.

No American sport that I can think of tolerates even the slightest touching of refs from players.
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I quit reffing basketball a few years ago. A lot of parents and coaches are too ignorant to realize they're part of the problem with the shortage.
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I've thought about getting back into reffing. I haven't reffed a game since I was 16 over 20 years ago. I told my scheduler I was done after getting cussed at by a coach In his 40s over a 7 Year old girls game. I think I could handle it a lot better nowadays, but I also don't know that I want to spend my Saturdays doing that.

Back when I played in the Houston football association Sunday league, there was a center ref in his late 50s that I always really admired. He was literally the only ref in the league that everyone pretty much didn't argue with. He was also the only ref that was quick to card people for dissent. I always said after my playing days were over that I wanted to pay it forward to the next generation. Maybe next season...
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Get used to more cancellations or other arrangements such as coaches filling in. This is going to become the new norm. It isn't just verbal abuse, though that's a huge part of it.

I've been officiating since college in the late '80s. I've worked mainly football and basketball but dabbled in other sports. Now, I'm only on the football field. I've worked (mainly) jr. high through college but have also done kids leagues. I'm out on everything but HS football with the occasional jr. high assignment. I work my varsity schedule, including scrimmages, regular season and playoffs, my REQUIRED subvarsity schedule (we have a minimum as most football chapters in Texas do), maybe a few more subvarsity games/dates if I feel like it, and that's it. I no longer work college in either sport (DII in both, did men's and women's at one time or another in hoops) but that isn't anywhere near worth my time and the coaches in basketball -- not to mention where the game has gone -- are beyond ridiculous. For years, I said I was "semi" retired from basketball but I doubt I'll ever step foot on a basketball court and I was a darn good hoops official.

Fan abuse is actually a small(er) part of the problem. Its there, and its a problem, but we don't hear the fans too much. Its beyond stupid when you think about it: people who've never even SEEN a rule book trying to tell those of us who've done this for decades what we should be doing. Sort of like a first time Microsoft Word user trying to tell the developer how to code Word better. Sure, we make mistakes; who doesn't? But you try and explain post scrimmage kick enforcement, when it applies and when it doesn't. I'll hang up and listen. Oh, not a football guy? No problem. False double fouls, then. Give me a specific example. Think they never occur? You'd be wrong. Not every game, of course, but they happen.

The problem with fans is that they've developed an entitlement attitude. They believe they have a RIGHT to a call. They believe they have a right to win the game. They now believe that if THEY THINK the call is missed, the officials are cheating. When I was a kid, if a call was perceived as missed, the officials were blind. Now, they're corrupt. I've worked thousands of basketball games and hundreds of football games. You want to know exactly how many games I've suspected any of my partners of being corrupt? Exactly ZERO. Incompetent? A lot. Sure, that's happened many more times than I'd like to recall. But not corrupt.

To the extent there's been a call made or not made that had an air (if you will) of being influenced, it is because of the way Texas UIL allows game assignments in football and other sports. They allow the coaches WAY too much power. It isn't so much the scratching ability of coaches -- that isn't a big problem. The problem is in all the large football chapters, the coaches affirmatively select the crews. In pretty much all the playoff games the coaches want to make a pick, they make a specific pick for a crew. If the coaches don't agree, they flip for the choice. Believe it or not, a coach from Houston (for example) will flip for the right to pick a Houston crew against a coach from Dallas (who will pick a Dallas crew) for a state championship game. It has happened each of the last few years in the highest UIL state football championship game divisions.

During games, coaches are, and have been for years, getting worse. They blame it on the "pressure" they get to win. That's bull***** They're as competitive as anyone and want to win themselves. I'm not saying they're not under pressure -- they are. But its just an excuse. Coaches are driving out officials left and right. No one wants to put up with coaches screaming at us for virtually the entire game anymore.

Pay isn't anywhere near where it should be. In football, unlike the other sports now, we're paid BASED on gate receipts. Previously, other sports in Texas did that as well, but UIL changed that. However, UIL shouldn't have a say in how officials are paid. Yet they do. They don't have a say in how security guards or other people working a high school game are paid. Why officials? If I work an Allen vs. Southlake game, I'm going to get a nice check. Same with Katy vs. North Shore. However, if I work, say, Rudder vs. Killeen and only 1500 people show up, I might make $140. If I work a game in Groesbeck or Fairfield, it will be even less. The guys working 15-30 Allen or Katy type games aren't complaining but they're only about 20-ish crews statewide doing that. Another 25-30 are working, say, a mix, and the rest are lucky to get 2-3 "big" games a year and the rest are "minis."

There's 2 big issues facing high school officials in most sports now: college and age. College is snatching our best officials out of high school. In years past, guys worked both HS and college, at least until they made a top division I league like the (old) SWC or Big 12. Now, even leagues like the Lone Star keep guys from working some high school games because they play on the occasional Friday and when the play on Saturday, they want their crews in town Friday -- making their HS game out of the question. These guys still work HS but not as much. Years ago, we could work division II and HS without ANY issue. Division I leagues all but eliminate guys from working more than 2-4 HS games a year.

The other issue is that some of our best and most seasoned officials are walking away for reasons other than what I've mentioned here. They're kids are reaching HS and college age and the parents have decided to be more a part of their lives -- watch them play, watch their band play, etc. Years ago, the kids might say, "go ref and we'll do something with the money," but now, for whatever reason (and I don't have a problem with this), the folks are saying, "I'm going to put aside officiating..." The thing is, they rarely come back -- mostly due to reasons I've mentioned above.

Sorry for the dissertation, but I've laid out the reasons. I'll continue to do football...for now. But if I end up on youtube, slandered, or something like that, I'm bringing the wood with a lawsuit and my career, for all intents and purposes, will be over. Or, if nothing like that happens, I'll just leave quietly and do other things. But make no mistake: we were in a state of crisis in officiating a decade ago. We're WAY past that now.
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Yesterday our coach called a parent meeting for the last 15 of practice. Apparently over the weekend there was an incident at a boys game and the league told them to talk to all parents about leaving the refs alone. Sad it has come to that.

Of course one dad on our team just had to speak up multiple times about how our girls are getting lots of yellow cards and the other teams aren't and how our girls are getting frustrated and deflated. lol. Completely false on all accounts. In a year and a half we've had a grand total of TWO yellow cards on our team and both were in one game. One was a so so call and the other was complete deserved. Oh, and did I mention the incident that caused the meeting involved this guys son's team. Coincidence? I think not. And lastly our team is having a blast this season. We are undefeated so I don't think the refs screwing us is really working.

We got a new coach this year and he is amazing. He didn't hesitate to stand up for the refs and command all parents to let him handle it. "You want to yell at someone? Yell at me after the game. Leave the refs alone!" And he made a remark about being able to hear one of our parents across the field and how we were up 5-1 at the time! Nice little jab at the parent.

I'm a church mouse at games mainly because when I played (basketball) I hated when people yelled.
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The linesman told him it wasn't because of a new rule that if it goes off your own leg incidentally into your own arm it's no longer a handball. He then told the parent the URL where he could go to see all the rules along with videos that laid out exactly what the rules mean. Put that parent in his place AND educated him!


I hope this was before July 1 because they took that part completely out of the LoTG.
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It was a week and a half ago.
Mathguy64
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Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

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The linesman told him it wasn't because of a new rule that if it goes off your own leg incidentally into your own arm it's no longer a handball. He then told the parent the URL where he could go to see all the rules along with videos that laid out exactly what the rules mean. Put that parent in his place AND educated him!


I hope this was before July 1 because they took that part completely out of the LoTG.


Que? Law 12 is pretty clear (and I say that laughing because it's been a hot mess on handling). A deflection off your own body including feet to your hand or arm is generally not handling provided your arms are in a natural position. You just cannot score off that.
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My laws must be wrong:




Here it is where it shows the changes.


From the website:
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Curious to see your thoughts on them removing that section of law 12.
jeffk
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What's the source of the screenshots you posted?
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jeffk said:

What's the source of the screenshots you posted?


IFAB LoTG ap and IFAB LoTG PDF.
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Ddp
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Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

Curious to see your thoughts on them removing that section of law 12.


Balls hit hands and arms all the time. Everyone needs to get over it. Don't put your hands in the air. Don't take advantage of your arm's/hand's position. Otherwise get over it and keep playing soccer.

The ball it's a hand and everyone is screaming "handball!!" staring at me like I'm an idiot for not blowing my whistle. GET. OVER. IT. It's going to happen again in like 3 minutes.
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