Watching the match now, it looks like they put his picture up in remembrance on at least one of the stadium video boards today for a moment.
Grant Wahl dead in qatar. Possible foul play
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Rob Stone twice now on air struggling to talk about it. They must have been close.
Carnwellag2 said:why do Americans think when they travel to foreign countries that the beliefs and laws of those countries don't apply to them.themissinglink said:
Wow. Sad to hear.
We throw around the word "brave" way too much in today's culture, but wearing a rainbow flag in Qatar was certainly very brave. Idiotic, but brave.
When in the USA you are under the protection of OUR constitution. When in Russia/ Qatar/ etc you are under the laws of that country
They were told these were ok.
Yes, that is an overstatement. It's a sad situation, but don't act like this is going to change anything in regards to US soccer…oragator said:
it isn't an overstatement to say that this is a massive loss for US soccer
I wonder how many vax/boosters he had chosen to put in his body.
Y'all can keep laughing and saying f16, but more and more people (we'll hear about the famous), will be dying of heart related issues in the near future.
It's a sad situation all around, no silver lining on this story…
Edit to add: The fact that so many on here think it's some type of geopolitical, shadow murder as opposed to a heart issue caused by the vax is ridiculous. But sure, y'all go on saying I'm the conspiracy theorist…
Y'all can keep laughing and saying f16, but more and more people (we'll hear about the famous), will be dying of heart related issues in the near future.
It's a sad situation all around, no silver lining on this story…
Edit to add: The fact that so many on here think it's some type of geopolitical, shadow murder as opposed to a heart issue caused by the vax is ridiculous. But sure, y'all go on saying I'm the conspiracy theorist…
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It could be due to the boosters as he and his wife had been vocal about the vaccine. However, he also put out a story critical of the government with regards to deaths of migrant workers the day before so that adds to the intrigue.
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aggiephoenix02 said:
I wonder how many vax/boosters he had chosen to put in his body.
Y'all can keep laughing and saying f16, but more and more people (we'll hear about the famous), will be dying of heart related issues in the near future.
It's a sad situation all around, no silver lining on this story…
Edit to add: The fact that so many on here think it's some type of geopolitical, shadow murder as opposed to a heart issue caused by the vax is ridiculous. But sure, y'all go on saying I'm the conspiracy theorist…
Wait. You're saying it may have something to do with the boosters and yet you're dismissing the murder as a conspiracy theory?
An article the day before is better timing than having been sick for days? Sick to the point of visiting a doctor? Whatever…akm91 said:
It could be due to the boosters as he and his wife had been vocal about the vaccine. However, he also put out a story critical of the government with regards to deaths of migrant workers the day before so that adds to the intrigue.
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48 year olds die all the time. Pre-Covid. Post Covid. Etc.
Grant did ruffle a lot of feathers.
I'm willing to bet he had an undetected heart problem and died.
Grant did ruffle a lot of feathers.
I'm willing to bet he had an undetected heart problem and died.
I think it's rudyjax, either way it's a username switch
That makes a lot of sense.
Listen, I apologize for ruffling feather in regards to the vax, but it really bums me out that so many on here are pointing to murder. Yes, Qatar is a backwards place essentially run by hillbillys with oil money, but that's not why our boy Grant died…
Listen, I apologize for ruffling feather in regards to the vax, but it really bums me out that so many on here are pointing to murder. Yes, Qatar is a backwards place essentially run by hillbillys with oil money, but that's not why our boy Grant died…
It's a slim chance it's murder, but I think it can't totally be ruled out. Could be terrible medical care (AED availability could have potentially saved him, a deeper issue was maybe misdiagnosed). It's a terrible deal all around.
Also, apparently healthy people having a heart attack isn't a new thing. Almost lost a coworker who took very good care of himself, no vices, to a heart attack.
Also, apparently healthy people having a heart attack isn't a new thing. Almost lost a coworker who took very good care of himself, no vices, to a heart attack.
themissinglink said:
Wow. Sad to hear.
We throw around the word "brave" way too much in today's culture, but wearing a rainbow flag in Qatar was certainly very brave. Idiotic, but brave.
I would tend to label it more "stupid" than "brave", but whatever, not here to disparage on Grant Wahl.
The fact that he wrote several stories on the corruption and abuses in Qatar, and then died in Qatar, at age 49, is going to lead to some serious questions.
I disagreed with him more than I agreed with him (not on Qatar though, agreed with him completely on that), but I did respect his opinion and his love of the beautiful game.
Rest in Peace Grant, God's speed.
Update:
In NYC now. Can update that Grant did go to hospital in an ambulance. Colleagues followed in an Uber. There was no available AED onsite, though it sounds as though it wouldn't have made a difference, if my understanding of the medical situation is correct. G comes home tomorrow.
— Eric Wahl (@ziplamak) December 12, 2022
Prayers for his friends and family.
Kind of nice way to go though, doing what you love and watching an incredible game in the sports top contest.
Kind of nice way to go though, doing what you love and watching an incredible game in the sports top contest.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
People go to the doctors all the time after being sick for days but don't die from it. We dont' know if his writings contributed to any possible foul play nor do we know if the vaccine and boosters played a part in his death. There isn't enough information to say either way but neither should be discounted out of hand.aggiephoenix02 said:An article the day before is better timing than having been sick for days? Sick to the point of visiting a doctor? Whatever…akm91 said:
It could be due to the boosters as he and his wife had been vocal about the vaccine. However, he also put out a story critical of the government with regards to deaths of migrant workers the day before so that adds to the intrigue.
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Apparently another journalist died not too long after Wahl's death.
Al Kass TV photojournalist Khalid al-Misslam passed away recently.
— Gulf-Times (@GulfTimes_QATAR) December 10, 2022
Al- Misslam, a Qatari, died suddenly while covering the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022. We believe in Allah's mercy and forgiveness for him, and send our deepest condolences to his family. pic.twitter.com/M1ZyoBJWkW
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So i was just watching the telemundo news and they interviewed a spanish journalist that was next to wahl when it happened
He said 'at first i grabbed him from behind because it looked like he was choking, other people started calling for help, then he collapsed'
The chocking part is weird
He said 'at first i grabbed him from behind because it looked like he was choking, other people started calling for help, then he collapsed'
The chocking part is weird
The family will release a statement as to cause of death soon. I no longer suspect foul play. It was not PE. https://t.co/OKRV6XEvgL
— Eric Wahl (@ziplamak) December 13, 2022
Well, I think that no foul play is a positive development.
and the 48 hour rule prevails again...
Aortic aneurysm according to the autopsy
Breaking news: Prominent soccer writer Grant Wahl’s cause of death at the World Cup last week was an aortic aneurysm, his wife says https://t.co/7KPZs1fda2
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) December 14, 2022
Nice write-up from his wife here: https://grantwahl.substack.com/p/a-note-from-grants-wife-celine-gounder
Quote:
An autopsy was performed by the New York City Medical Examiner's Office. Grant died from the rupture of a slowly growing, undetected ascending aortic aneurysm with hemopericardium. The chest pressure he experienced shortly before his death may have represented the initial symptoms. No amount of CPR or shocks would have saved him. His death was unrelated to COVID. His death was unrelated to vaccination status. There was nothing nefarious about his death.
Once again, Occam's razor is correct. Not some vaccine or foul play conspiracy theory.
My question is, if he had been properly diagnosed would he have lived?
My question is, if he had been properly diagnosed would he have lived?
Depends. If they'd done a CT scan or a CTA and found it, depending on the size of the aneurysm, you could do surgery. Otherwise you just monitor it. Obviously this was significant enough to kill him so they probably could have done something.
So we can talk about how absurd and self centered his brother's IG video was, right?
IDK, I'm going to cut him some slack. He made the video immediately after learning his brother had died suddenly in a foreign country days after having a run-in with security forces because he was wearing a pride shirt (at least partly to show solidarity with him). He was probably all over the place emotionally and deserves a bit of grace. And he also already publicly apologized.
EDIT - But do what you want.
EDIT - But do what you want.
jeffk said:
IDK, I'm going to cut him some slack. He made the video immediately after learning his brother had died suddenly in a foreign country days after having a run-in with security forces because he was wearing a pride shirt (at least partly to show solidarity with him). He was probably all over the place emotionally and deserves a bit of grace. And he also already publicly apologized.
EDIT - But do what you want.
I understand exactly what happened. It just felt super performative.
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Dude looked to be in good shape. Aneurysm you think big fat guy. Good reminder for all of us to get checked out.
Same way I feel. I'm not gonna cast stones at someone's immediate response to a close loved ones death.
I'm sure medical professionals have heard much crazier **** come from grieving family members mouths. Because its typically much less profile, we just dont see it posted online.
Plus he retracted. I wish some of my fellow F16ers would admit when they said stupid **** inside of the board's informal 48-hr rule
Plus he retracted. I wish some of my fellow F16ers would admit when they said stupid **** inside of the board's informal 48-hr rule
Given his age, likely the only way it would have been caught would have been if he'd had imaging done for another reason and it was an incidental finding. Screening for a AAA recommendations are for men aged 65+ who have smoked. By all accounts he appeared to have been in good health from what I have read. This was an extremely unfortunate event to happen to him.
For a AAA, the biggest risk factors are age, sex, smoking history, family history. One of the rare times where obesity isn't a big factor.
I agree with jeffk. Having gone through what his brother did, I understand lashing out and wanting answers. Lashing out on social media was a bit much, but I too will cut him some slack for his emotional response.Furlock Bones said:jeffk said:
IDK, I'm going to cut him some slack. He made the video immediately after learning his brother had died suddenly in a foreign country days after having a run-in with security forces because he was wearing a pride shirt (at least partly to show solidarity with him). He was probably all over the place emotionally and deserves a bit of grace. And he also already publicly apologized.
EDIT - But do what you want.
I understand exactly what happened. It just felt super performative.
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