Need Help Choosing A Team!

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If you enjoy history, going down the Wiki rabbit hole could be a fun way to pick a club. Here's an interesting post I found on Reddit.

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Wolves - Founded by two school pupils, John Baynton and John Brodie, after being presented with a football by their head teacher.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8lnr3y/the_unique_beginnings_of_some_of_the_worlds/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
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Awesome. Totally proves your point. Really. It does. I'm being serious.
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The problem is that up-and-comers tend to be flashes in the pan, but I agree with the sentiment.

After the 2016 Euros, I realized that my inexplicable love of soccer had grown to the point where I knew I wanted to follow a club. I chose primarily based on family heritage - with a significant portion of my family tree coming from East Germany. Bundesliga TV rights in the US were arguably better than EPL at that time, with many games making FS 1 or 2. (I'd argue it's still better now even though ESPN rarely puts games on their proper channels… ESPN+ is light years better than Peacock). And German officiating is way better IMO.

At that time, there were no East German teams in Bundesliga, but Leipzig had gotten promoted. I was on the fence about choosing them, due to their ownership - but ultimately I decided to go all-in after watching a few games and really enjoying their play style. And as it turns out - I am one of the few people who can say they've been fans of their club from the very first season they were top flight.

And I agree with your point about cities. I'm not sure I have enough mental space to try an follow an EPL club, but if I ever did - I'd have to pick a London team because I have zero desire to travel to Liverpool/Manchester.
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How does their song go?

Is it, "Glory! Glory Hole, United!!!"?
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Texaggie7nine said:



Odd how all of those teams have shirt sponsor deals that are about 40-60% lower than than the Abu Dhabi company's sponsorship deal with the Abu Dhabi owned club even though there are so many fewer fans of that club. It's almost like there's a team with 100+ FFP charges against it that cooks their books to avoid FFP restrictions. Good thing you and Pep undertook that rigorous independent review and determined everything was on the up and up.
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So they aren't making as much $ ultimately on the sponsorship deal. Sucks for them. Why do we care?

Oh yeah, we are only supposed to allow old money to control the league by outspending others, new money has to hold their money because they can't be allowed to challenge the elitists.
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You don't want to be accused of being a bandwagon jumper just jumping in on the flavor of the week. Clearly, you should pick the plucky underdog, and join us all looking forward to future glory and the thrill of our inevitable rise back from the bottom half of the league. Chelsea!
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Yeah he picked plucky underdog City after they had won the Premier League twice in three years. Very inspiring. A real OG.
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All the American "big club" supporters pissing and moaning about city are laughable. I've been following city a very long time.

When I lived in St Louis years ago I would frequent a great soccer pub there called Amsterdam tavern. If you're ever in the STL I highly recommend it. There were three owners who were Liverpool and Chelsea supporters. They asked why the hell we were City supporters this was before the cash rolled in). My answer was that we have a good friend from oldham who is a city and oldham supporter. My great grandfather was from the eastern side of Manchester. I said I'm also an Aggie and there's a almost a warm comfort in low expectations and constant disappointment. They understood that. That was a great pub and the owners were great folks. As far as I know one of my city jerseys is still on the wall.

One day I went to the pub and the guy working there said you must be happy. I said why, and he said y'all just got bought and are now the richest club in the world. Y'all are going to sign Robinho. I said yeah right. Looked it up and holy ***** Bought him a pint.

I know. Cool story brah. Still, before we were the noisy neighbor piss ants and the big clubs had all the money and players. Once City got flush with cash and started spending it well and winning, it wasn't fair. When I wore a city jersey b4 if someone said something to me before it was usually a Man U fan and I'd give them the reasons I discussed above them ask them why they support Man U? The answers were always because they are winners, the best club, etc. then I'd be a smart ass and ask if they are cowboys and Yankees fans. Now it's the opposite. I'm accused of following the club because they are rich, winning, etc.

So it goes. I enjoy seeing my team win and appreciate talking with new fans about the quality football.
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Not that it matters, but I respect City fans who were present before the sportswashing began - it's not their fault and I wouldn't expect them to ditch their club. Also, I kind of respect the new American City fans who just embrace the heel role.

The obtuse "I don't get why people are upset, they just don't like that we have more money now" City fans are pretty eye-roll inducing though.

Basically, I don't like City because they win games and beat my team BUT ALSO I don't like City because their entire funding model is bad for the sport I enjoy.
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How is not obvious to people that United is the world's largest bandwagon in human history. That's the only embarrassing fanhood that exists for an English speaker. 1 out of every 7 people on the planet is a fan.

The fans give you some flowery tripe about how they love the club because of its "never say die attitude" or some other garbage. They love it because it was the easiest most basic thing in the world to like when they became fans.

Pick United and add it to your Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys fandom; I'm sure those terrible 3rd place finishes with the highest wages in the league will be just heartbreaking.
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United was the first real global club. Had a solid run of important titles right as world-wide media coverage was starting to take off. Collected international superstars and marketed the **** out of them outside of traditional soccer nations in Europe.
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Every so often this topic crops up on here. It's a pretty regular occurrence. It always plays out the same way and yet I'm still amazed every time it does.

95% of us are "Yankees" fans and it takes an incredible lack of awareness to not realize that or a willful ignorance to ignore that.

If you started following City only after they won 2 titles and had more money than God, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than you do with a City fan who was following them in the First Division 20 years ago.

If you started following Arsenal during Henry and Invincibles, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than an Arsenal fan who was following them in the 80s when they were legitimate crap and hadn't won anything in 20 years.

If you started following Chelsea after Roman bought the club, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than a Chelsea fan who was following them when the last league title they won was in the 2nd Division.

I could go on but hopefully you get the point.

Very few of us have strong, local ties to these clubs. We didn't grow up with these clubs. Didn't have fandom passed down from generation to generation. Your support isn't "authentic". You started following your club in large part because there were elite, big clubs that were successful and if they hadn't been, you wouldn't have followed them. You're a Yankees fan. It's hilariously pathetic to see people twist themselves into knots to avoid that reality just so can they can feel a little morally superior about the life choices they made as it relates to...*checks notes*...supporting a soccer team on a small island 5,000 miles away from where they live. But you know...keep at it I guess. It's always good for a laugh a couple of times a year.
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Oh and lest anyone think I'm willfully ignoring a certain team...

If you started following United in the 90s when they became dominant, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan then you have with a United fan who watched them get relegated in the 70s and didn't see them win a first division title for 30 years.
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BS. Plenty of us are Dodgers, Sox, or Cubs fans.

Seriously though, you're spot on. The vast majority of us picked "teams that are fun to watch" - which also means we picked a team that wins a lot.

I do have a Fulham friend who picked them when Dempsey went there and and has stuck with them for the last 15 years - but I can't recall exactly when he chose them, it was very likely when they were punching above their weight and qualified for Europa, so the principle remains… we don't all want to pick the very best, but as casuals with no natural ties, all of us are picking teams that are at least pretty good (or at least were at the time we picked them).
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There is a reason I said choosing to follow City is more like jumping on the Astros bandwagon. Same would have gone for Chelsea, when they were hot.

Jumping onto the Yankee bandwagon means you are going into a fanbase that has a massive presence everywhere, so you will never really find yourself alone. It means jumping onto a team that has a legacy of success and at the top of league championship wins over all the other teams. It means even if your team sucks at the moment, you get to retort to every other fanbase that hurls insults your way how your team has the most titles and they are just jealous. It basically guarantees that you can be a dick fan to other team fans regardless how your team performs today.

There are only a couple teams in the EPL that hold that distinction, and it shows by them having the largest followings over in the States.
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I started rooting hard for city in 2011. I remember at the time Manchester United was the big bully. Sir Alex was on a roll. I learned that we were trying to buy ourselves a title, but were mediocre according to many. If I started over would probably pick Liverpool or Newcastle. I always root for underdogs. At the time, I was pretty new to EPL and just picked a team that might unseat Man U that had some players I liked to watch.

Like I said, I would pick one top 6-8 club and one darkhouse / underdog team in EPL.
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Full disclosure, I'm a Liverpool fan, but I'd consider Aston Villa as well. They've got financial backing, history, have a good manager, and will be in Europe this year for the first time in a long while. Very impressive considering how awful they were in the beginning of the season under Gerrard.

Also wait until the transfer window closes or at least close to it before selecting. Wouldn't be too fun to choose Spurs and then the season starts and there is no Harry Kane.

You're also going to need to subscribe to numerous streaming services. Peacock, Paramount+ (CL, Europa, Europa Conference League), and ESPN+ if you want to watch cup matches.
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Dre_00 said:

Every so often this topic crops up on here. It's a pretty regular occurrence. It always plays out the same way and yet I'm still amazed every time it does.

95% of us are "Yankees" fans and it takes an incredible lack of awareness to not realize that or a willful ignorance to ignore that.

If you started following City only after they won 2 titles and had more money than God, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than you do with a City fan who was following them in the First Division 20 years ago.

If you started following Arsenal during Henry and Invincibles, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than an Arsenal fan who was following them in the 80s when they were legitimate crap and hadn't won anything in 20 years.

If you started following Chelsea after Roman bought the club, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than a Chelsea fan who was following them when the last league title they won was in the 2nd Division.

I could go on but hopefully you get the point.

Very few of us have strong, local ties to these clubs. We didn't grow up with these clubs. Didn't have fandom passed down from generation to generation. Your support isn't "authentic". You started following your club in large part because there were elite, big clubs that were successful and if they hadn't been, you wouldn't have followed them. You're a Yankees fan. It's hilariously pathetic to see people twist themselves into knots to avoid that reality just so can they can feel a little morally superior about the life choices they made as it relates to...*checks notes*...supporting a soccer team on a small island 5,000 miles away from where they live. But you know...keep at it I guess. It's always good for a laugh a couple of times a year.
What you can do is root for the "other 13" in the league collectively. And root for the teams from other leagues in the champions league.

The Big 7 are WAY too powerful. Not good for the football in UK and not good for football in the world. They didn't even NEED the superleague. They are SO rich and beyond the rest of the world, that that they money was going to be a mere rainy day fund for them.

Fight against them the on every front.
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If I'm a fan of a team that isn't Barca, Real, Ath in La Liga, or Juve, Inter, Napoli in Series A or PSG, Lyon in France, or Bayern, Dortmund in Bundis, I probably would want a Super league. So the untouchable teams get out of my local league and my team finally has a realistic shot at winning the league trophy.
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I've said it on here before, rooting for Everton doesn't make me authentic, rooting for Everton just makes me sad.

Watch games. Enjoy players and styles. Then a team will come to you.
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Texagsubscriber said:

Thanks everybody for the feedback. I started this journey on choosing a soccer team which helped me forget A&M sports (especially A&M football) during the year. I did some research and have made my decision.

Here are my reasons for rejecting the following teams:
1. Arsenal - It seems this club does not win many titles but definitely talks a big game. They started well this season but fell off at the end. It reminds me of a certain college football team. Brought up bad memories and had to be rejected. They do have great fan reactions on YouTube and I look forward to watching them after losses.
2. Tottenham - Never win trophies but have great new facilities. I had to reject for similar reasons as mentioned in bullet one. Their owner is hated by the fans and that was another reason to reject them.
3. Chelsea - new ownership who is very involved in day-today running of the club. Spent an exorbitant amount of money but got mid table results. Looks like the first three clubs remind me of A&M and had to be rejected.
4. Newcastle - looks like a new team in the mix for the top honors and was a good candidate to choose. Unfortunately, I don't want to be associated with bone-saw man and had to reject them.
5. Man City - Rejected for reasons mentioned earlier. Will hate with a passion for reasons mentioned below.

I was left with two choices: Liverpool and Manchester United. Both are great choices with great home environments and great histories (i'm not a complete glory hunter but it definitely helps when choosing a club with no allegiance sitting in a foreign land).

I really like the new manager Erik Ten Hag and the way his teams play for him. I feel that I want to go on this journey with him and see what his teams can accomplish. However, I realize their owners may cause headaches in the future but I'm no band wagon fan. I, hereby, pledge my allegiance to the Red Devils of Manchester! #GGMU #MUFC

Honorable consideration: Brighton.




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I also forgot to say that it'll be good having another poster on the board!
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heddleston said:

I've said it on here before, rooting for Everton doesn't make me authentic, rooting for Everton just makes me sad.
harsh but true.

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heddleston said:

I've said it on here before, rooting for Everton doesn't make me authentic, rooting for Everton just makes me sad.


Still one of my most favorite sentiments uttered here
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PascalsWager said:

Dre_00 said:

Every so often this topic crops up on here. It's a pretty regular occurrence. It always plays out the same way and yet I'm still amazed every time it does.

95% of us are "Yankees" fans and it takes an incredible lack of awareness to not realize that or a willful ignorance to ignore that.

If you started following City only after they won 2 titles and had more money than God, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than you do with a City fan who was following them in the First Division 20 years ago.

If you started following Arsenal during Henry and Invincibles, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than an Arsenal fan who was following them in the 80s when they were legitimate crap and hadn't won anything in 20 years.

If you started following Chelsea after Roman bought the club, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan than a Chelsea fan who was following them when the last league title they won was in the 2nd Division.

I could go on but hopefully you get the point.

Very few of us have strong, local ties to these clubs. We didn't grow up with these clubs. Didn't have fandom passed down from generation to generation. Your support isn't "authentic". You started following your club in large part because there were elite, big clubs that were successful and if they hadn't been, you wouldn't have followed them. You're a Yankees fan. It's hilariously pathetic to see people twist themselves into knots to avoid that reality just so can they can feel a little morally superior about the life choices they made as it relates to...*checks notes*...supporting a soccer team on a small island 5,000 miles away from where they live. But you know...keep at it I guess. It's always good for a laugh a couple of times a year.
What you can do is root for the "other 13" in the league collectively. And root for the teams from other leagues in the champions league.

The Big 7 are WAY too powerful. Not good for the football in UK and not good for football in the world. They didn't even NEED the superleague. They are SO rich and beyond the rest of the world, that that they money was going to be a mere rainy day fund for them.

Fight against them the on every front.

I dunno… if the other 13 became the other 20, then the Premier League looks like just another league and it never proliferates globally like it has which we've all benefited from.

I don't think you can just choose a team and bam… you are set. Your first step is to learn to love watching the game itself. I moved to England in summer of 2020. When I came over, I liked soccer, but didn't go out of my way to watch it. Lockdowns in 2020 and 2021 when the matches were all in empty stadiums and just on TV got me really into it… winters are dreary and get dark early here, nothing was open and they even shut a lot of the parks down… soccer on TV was a fantastic way to pass time. I instantly appreciated that matches are done in 2 hours and the speed and effort in the games. Commit to actually watching first vs. thinking a team will get you into the game. Other sports you follow will suffer as a result. For me, college football has probably taken the biggest hit in my viewership and replaced by soccer. Part of that is due to times of the good games and where I live now but the other part is the 3.5-4 hour games are getting old. I watch the Aggies still and some of the bigger games like conf championships and rivalry games when they matter and the big bowl games but that's about it.

It took me time to find my team, but a combination of a couple of good friends who supported Chelsea and them being very good the year I arrived here made me land on them. They are also the team closest to where I live now. In ECL, my next door neighbor loves Blackburn so I've grabbed onto them. Europe-wide, Serie A is the other league I'll watch and have gravitated to Roma.
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Ag Since 83 said:

A quick review of the 7 clubs per your criteria:

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My only criteria is to pick one which effectively utilizes its resources (too jaded by my A&M sporting fandom) and is occasionally (hopefully soon regularly) challenging for world championships ALA NBA or MLB.

Man City: They certainly fit your criteria, but as others have said you won't get much respect for picking them. It would also be a pretty soulless existence I'd think. Imagine someone deciding today they wanted to follow college football and picking Alabama. Sure they'll win a lot, but....so what?

Arsenal: As said above, very exciting young core right now who almost won the league out of nowhere this year and have the potential to achieve things soon if they keep the core together and add the right pieces. They haven't won the big one in 20 years, and the years where they've even been in contention for it have been rare, but even in the lean years they were good for some FA Cups. So mixed results on utilizing resources but an upward trajectory at the moment. (Disclaimer: I am an Arsenal fan)

Man Utd: At one time the team that utilized its resources so well and won so much that everyone else hates them, even though the glory days were now more than a decade ago. Could be on the way back to contender status, but in terms of return on investment, the last 10 years have been a disaster.

Liverpool: Great historic club. For the last several years they have been second best to Man City (winning in 2020 for the first time in 30 years), although this season was their most disappointing season in a while. The good thing about Liverpool from an ROI perspective is even when they weren't winning the league for a long time, they were regular contenders for and occassional winners for big things, even the Champions League. Plus they have the team entrance to You'll Never Walk Alone, which I think is iconic.

Newcastle: Could be on the way up to rivaling Man City due to recent Saudi investment, but it's too early to tell on how good they are on the ROI. You do have to have Phil Mickelson levels of moral flexibility to jump on this bandwagon though.

Chelsea: For two decades they might have fit your criteria better than anyone, although the investment was from a Russian oligarch who had to sell the team in 2022 due to sanctions for obvious reasons. Now owned by Americans and the past year has been so bad it's monumentally hilarious to everyone else. 12 months of no plan other than throwing money around, without thinking about how the difference assets they are buying fit together. Still have enough money they can never be ruled out long term though, especially if they do identify a plan.

Tottenham: Talk a big game, occassionally go on a really good run, nothing to show for it in the end. At all. The least successful so called "big club" by a large margin.



Overall, I echo the suggestion to watch some games starting in the new season and see which team/story appeals to you. If you want to go beyond the "big" clubs there are some interesting mid-table teams with interesting potential or stories like Brighton, Aston Villa, etc.







I suggest you research club history, and how it relates to you. Watching matches is worthless if you think a badge, logo, or sponsor looks cool. Research clubs, and their history. That will land you anywhere between Arsenal and Brighton. Happy hunting
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Unless you're a relentless, undeserving expectant *****, and then you can be a Chelsea or Tottenham schlomo
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Back in the day, I was an Arsenal fan because my stepson. Gradually, I became a Frank Lampard fan and of course Chelsea, simply because he was/is a good guy, doesn't/didn't cause crap and is a well respected person. I stuck with Lampard primarily but started watching Harry Kane and Kim Son, watching them but still supporting Lampard. Arsenal was in the background, grew to disliking United and eventually City for that matter. Eventually started to pay attention to Fulham, simply because I ran a 5K that started and finished at Craven Cottage. They had their ups and downs but I kept watching them and they have been getting better and better. At some point I started to watch Liverpool a few years ago when Juergen came on board and they have risen to the top of my table. That position was cemented when my son and I visited Anfield on a Monday night this past Feb as Liverpool beat Everton 2-0. What an atmosphere! What an entry! What support!

With all that said I support as follows:
1). Liverpool
2). Fulham
3). Spurs
4). Burnley (JJ Watt)
5). Wrexham (please don't become a Hollywood sparkle show; does everybody know that UAL is now the official airline of Wrexham- they can't fly jets into Wrexham!)
6). Luton (I hope to hell nobody gets hurt at this place; Ellis Field is way better than this).

That's all.
Peace for Ukraine!
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I chose Brentford but have a special connection living in the neighbourhood several years. Incredible rise and story. Love the analytics approach vs just buying the best players just cause you can.

I hope they maintain PL for years to come, well on their way. Toney suspension is a concern but look at what they did without him last year. Special talent but not convinced he's not a distraction sometimes.

Insane season last year. Attended 6 home games this spring (3 draws, 3 wins). Those last 3 wins plus winning at Chelsea and Spurs all in the last 5 weeks was magical. Plan to attend most home games next year.

As far as big 6 go, I tend to root for Arsenal due to having several friends who are big supporters. I tend to despise all the others except for maybe Liverpool which I'm indifferent.

Any club culture queries just ask and I'll do my best to answer.
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Hope you're well monarch! Coming back for a visit next season?

You wouldn't recognise the place these days - heat wave to 30c this week - mid 80s (F)!!!

Ps managed to get this seat for finale vs Man City


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COYS!
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Dre_00 said:

Oh and lest anyone think I'm willfully ignoring a certain team...

If you started following United in the 90s when they became dominant, then you have a lot more in common with a Yankees fan then you have with a United fan who watched them get relegated in the 70s and didn't see them win a first division title for 30 years.
I also picked United in the 90s, and it's primarily because they were one of the few teams we could easily watch over here. They had a lot of good players on the team all young and in their prime, that were easy to like.
You would be stupid to voluntarily choose a mediocre or bad team from Europe, where you have ZERO existing attachment to any team.

People who started picking their teams in the late 2010s and onwards had a lot more options to choose from, and just as many "yankees' to pick from. IMO, there is no shame at all in picking one of the top teams.
It's very funny to see people that root for Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, or Manchester City still try to use the "but manchester united is the bandwagon team to root for" argument. and people that root for the bottom of the league teams, and teams that are being relegated and promoted would NEVER voluntarily pick those teams to root for. They are born into it.
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Texaggie7nine said:

There is a reason I said choosing to follow City is more like jumping on the Astros bandwagon. Same would have gone for Chelsea, when they were hot.

Jumping onto the Yankee bandwagon means you are going into a fanbase that has a massive presence everywhere, so you will never really find yourself alone. It means jumping onto a team that has a legacy of success and at the top of league championship wins over all the other teams. It means even if your team sucks at the moment, you get to retort to every other fanbase that hurls insults your way how your team has the most titles and they are just jealous. It basically guarantees that you can be a dick fan to other team fans regardless how your team performs today.

There are only a couple teams in the EPL that hold that distinction, and it shows by them having the largest followings over in the States.
All of the premier leagues are now the yankess. They all have massive followings worldwide and in teh states. You are just lying to yourself, lol
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monarch said:

Back in the day, I was an Arsenal fan because my stepson. Gradually, I became a Frank Lampard fan and of course Chelsea, simply because he was/is a good guy, doesn't/didn't cause crap and is a well respected person. I stuck with Lampard primarily but started watching Harry Kane and Kim Son, watching them but still supporting Lampard. Arsenal was in the background, grew to disliking United and eventually City for that matter. Eventually started to pay attention to Fulham, simply because I ran a 5K that started and finished at Craven Cottage. They had their ups and downs but I kept watching them and they have been getting better and better. At some point I started to watch Liverpool a few years ago when Juergen came on board and they have risen to the top of my table. That position was cemented when my son and I visited Anfield on a Monday night this past Feb as Liverpool beat Everton 2-0. What an atmosphere! What an entry! What support!

With all that said I support as follows:
1). Liverpool
2). Fulham
3). Spurs
4). Burnley (JJ Watt)
5). Wrexham (please don't become a Hollywood sparkle show; does everybody know that UAL is now the official airline of Wrexham- they can't fly jets into Wrexham!)
6). Luton (I hope to hell nobody gets hurt at this place; Ellis Field is way better than this).

That's all.
I also personally think this should be a more normal way for non-English fans to follow the Premier League. You can have your favorite team, but realistically you will like watching multiple teams play. Whether because they have Americans playing there (like Fulham multiple times in the years) or your current favorite players changes what team he plays for.
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