He is still a player and a head coach away. The guy simply has no help.

As Phoenix is now showing, trading for Shaq for any reason other than selling tickets is fool's gold. Who knows how good Phoenix would have been the past two years. The DQ series against the Spurs was some great basketball.

if lebron doesn't shoot a decent percentage of his jumpshot well, he's actually pretty awful. last night his jumpshot was terrible.

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They've got a really good inside defensive presence with Shaq/Varejao

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Shaq's been garbage on defense for a good 3 seasons now.

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They've got decent shooters on the outside.

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They've got a pretty darn good second-banana in Jamison.

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Name me one team that was even CLOSE to competing where Jamison's been the second banana... you can't... it doesn't exist. He's Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

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Shaq's been garbage on defense for a good 3 seasons now.

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Name me 5 better centers in the eastern conference.

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Name me one team that was even CLOSE to competing where Jamison's been the second banana... you can't... it doesn't exist. He's Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

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I'd say Cleveland's pretty "close to competing". So was Dallas.

In any event, I'm talking about Jamison's talent, not whether he's been on winning teams. You can't say the guy isn't a pretty talented 2nd banana just because he's been on bad teams.

You're only proving my point. Shareef Abdur-Rahim was a pretty damn good basketball player. In the right situation, he could have made a good team great, given him being the "2nd guy".

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+1 on what Mass said.

by no stretch of the imagination is lebron's team this year even CLOSE to the smush parker/kwame brown/luke walton era that kobe was elimated with (and those guys were STARTERS)

this is by far the most talented team lebron has ever been on. the supporting cast is REALLY good and overall probably the best in the NBA. the problem in game 5 was lebron. he was a cancer on the court, and mike brown had no cure.

Williams- scorer
Shaq- big man to get rebounds and dump down to
Z- big man who can space the floor with jumpshot
Jamison- capable of getting you 20+ easy
West- good passer and 3pt shooter
Parker- glue guy, 3pt threat
Varejao- does the grunt work
Hickson- young up and comer, lots of energy and can run

by no means is that team bad. they should be winning a championship. if they dont...it's on lebron.

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Howard, Perkins, Noah, Bogut, Bosh, J. O'Neal (as much of a stiff as he is), Garnett, Dalembert, Varajao, Polish guy in Orlando... these are names just off the top of my head that would be better options defensively at center in the East alone than Shaq at this point. I guarantee you I can name others. You asked for 5, I gave you 10.

As far as Jamison goes, he wasn't the 2nd banana in Dallas. He just played for them. If you want to compete for a title, he might be a viable 3rd player on a team, but not 2nd. Every team he's been on where he's been relied upon as a 2nd guy, the team's been mediocre to horrible... nothing better. In that sense, that gives you an idea of exactly how good Lebron really is.

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Please don't +1 me and then say stuff that is stupid. LA managed to cherry-pick its way to the most talented roster outside of MAYBE Boston, thanks to former laker Jerry West. Kobe is a phenomenal failure if he managed to lose with Bynum/Gasol/Odom on the floor and Jackson sitting on the bench.

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by no stretch of the imagination is lebron's team this year even CLOSE to the smush parker/kwame brown/luke walton era that kobe was elimated with (and those guys were STARTERS)

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I like the way you conveniently left out Lamar Odom. I'd take Lamar Odom over Jamison as my 2nd guy... and I mean that.

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Williams- scorer
Shaq- big man to get rebounds and dump down to
Z- big man who can space the floor with jumpshot
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West- good passer and 3pt shooter
Parker- glue guy, 3pt threat
Varejao- does the grunt work
Hickson- young up and comer, lots of energy and can run

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You can't possibly say with a straight face that this team sans Lebron is anything better than the 25th or so best team in the league. You can absolutely say the same thing about the 04-07 Lakers too... I'm simply pointing out the fact that Kobe didn't do anything either until he got a decent supporting cast. The Lakers this season sans Kobe would be a playoff team. The Cavs? Not so much.

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Thus, the most logical conclusion is that the elbow was a major factor and that it affected LeBron mentally as much as physically. We have one other data point to support us: his track record in this series. Since Game 5 of the Chicago series, James' effectiveness has correlated directly with how much rest he had between games.



Witness: Games 2, 4 and 5 came with just one day of rest; in those three, he shot 0-for-13 on 3s and 17-for-47 overall. Games 1 and 3, on the other hand, had an extra day of rest beforehand, which seemed to allow his elbow to feel much better: In those two contests, he was a one-man wrecking crew, making 26 of 46 shots from the floor and scoring 73 points. Needless to say, those were the two Cleveland wins in this series.



What it all means for the Cavs is rather worrisome because Thursday's must-win Game 6 (8 p.m. ET, ESPN) comes on one day's rest again.

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Very insightful from John Hollinger

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-100512

BTW, Lebron has a good enough supporting cast to win the title, he's just not playing very well right now. The team around him was build to play around him and last night he laid a stink bomb (most likely due to his elbow).

Those who blame Mike Brown are probably kidding themselves. He's shown himself to be a good defensive coach and his offensive sets with Lebron off the pick and roll should be effective no matter what the opposing team does. The biggest issue with Mike Brown is that he's not a big enough personality to be bigger than Lebron. That's Lebron's team and everybody knows it, especially the players. If Lebron has a bad day, everybody has a bad day. If Lebron and Mike Brown disagree, people take Lebron's side.

This guy was setup to be some kind of messiah before he accomplished anything and people are shocked because he continues to fail.

I agree w/ Cowherd today... Kobe's done it before... last night was completely 'send a message' game by Lebron. He laid back to prove a point. He's never been than passive in a playoff game before. Good timing for it? No, but after the first few minutes, he saw what was happening and laid down to show management and his team that they have to step up if they are serious about winning.

From the same link above... it was 95% his elbow and his inability to get over it mentally

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When I rewatched the game this morning, several things stood out to me.



First, James couldn't make a jump shot. He tried 11 jumpers and made only one of them. Every miss was short -- most of them well short -- and a couple drifted off to the right. I suppose this could have happened just by chance, but a far more likely cause is that his elbow was bothering his shot.



Two other data points buttress that conclusion. First, James passed up several other opportunities to shoot open jumpers. Most notable was an isolation against Paul Pierce in the second quarter. James jabbed, and Pierce flinched backward a step and a half, leaving a clear opening to rise up for the uncontested J from 18 feet. Instead, James froze. He reset; Pierce got back into position; and James eventually drove into traffic and nearly threw away a pass.




[+] EnlargeDavid Liam Kyle/NBAE/Getty Images
LeBron's elbow injury has created a world of hurt for Cavaliers fans.


That was just one play, but I counted several others in which James had a clear opening for the jumper and turned it down. One could argue this was a reaction to his cold shooting, but that has never stopped him before. Instead, I would surmise that he knew his elbow limited his effectiveness as a jump shooter.



It appears the Celtics knew this, too. What stood out while watching LeBron's screen-and-roll possessions, particularly in the second half, was how far under the screen Pierce was playing. It was far enough that he was just meeting James at the other side near the foul line to cut off his driving lane. This should have led to a profusion of wide-open J's that even an average outside shooter like James could have easily exploited. Instead, he went 1-for-11 on jumpers.



James didn't shoot, but he didn't drive, either. Rather, he passed up a lot of opportunities to make plays. What really stood out in the rewatch was how many pick-and-roll plays ended with James creating no advantage and ultimately passing the ball to a teammate who wasn't open. By my count, this happened a whopping 13 times.



This, to me, was the most disturbing part about James' Game 5 performance. The pick-and-roll should be able to create some kind of opportunity for James to either score or pass to a wide-open teammate, but when the Celtics offered him jumpers, he reacted by giving up on the play entirely. Cleveland's supporting cast members aren't good enough to create plays on their own without LeBron first creating an advantage for them -- everybody knows this. But too often Tuesday night, a play ended with somebody such as Anthony Parker or Delonte West trying to score one-on-one against a set defense.



As a result, a funny thing happened, something I doubt has happened many times in Cleveland: The Cavs' offense was dramatically more effective when James wasn't involved in the play.



Throughout the first quarter, the Cavs ran plays for Williams and O'Neal to get them involved. This is standard operating procedure for Cleveland, and it produced a respectable 23 points and a three-point first-quarter lead.



It's hard to remember, but Cleveland actually led by eight at one point early in the second quarter. The Cavs pulled James for a two-minute rest and couldn't score. When he came back, they ran nearly every play through him until the middle of the fourth quarter … and still couldn't score. Cleveland scored only 51 points in 2½quarters, with nearly every play going through James in the form of a screen-and-roll.



Even at that, the scoring plays tended to be the rare exceptions that weren't for James: post-ups for Shaq, screen-and-rolls for Williams, even an open-court basket-and-1 for Zydrunas Ilgauskas when the Celtics botched a trap at the end of the first half.



Thus, the most logical conclusion is that the elbow was a major factor and that it affected LeBron mentally as much as physically. We have one other data point to support us: his track record in this series. Since Game 5 of the Chicago series, James' effectiveness has correlated directly with how much rest he had between games.

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ok ATM9000 just to prove you're an idiot:

in 2006, look at the Lakers possible starting lineup:
C- rookie andrew bynum
C- Kwame brown- biggest bust in nba history
F- Odom- doesn't even start now
F- Luke Walton- now barely gets 15mins a game when healthy
G- Smush Paker- not even in the league anymore
G- Kobe
G/F- Brian Cook- gets like 5mins a game

in 2010, look at the cavs:
C- Shaq
F- Hickson
F- Lebron
F- Jamison
G- Parker
G- Williams

Shaq >> Rookie Bynum
a turd (anything on the cavs) >> kwame brown
Jamison >> Odom (look at the stats)
A. Parker >> Smush
Williams >> Walton
any other cav >> brian cook

so basically....you're completely and utterly wrong. especially if you consider lebron >>> kobe too. and i never even mentioned Varejao, Delonte, Gibson or Z.

nice try though. moran.

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Unless the Cavs turn it around and win the title this year, Lebron can't stay in Cleveland. No how, no way.

Cavs management has done a terrible job assembling a young/talented nucleus around Lebron. They've had seven years and the best they could come up with was a few aging C-List star players in Shaq, Jamison and Williams. Essentially, they've been managing out of fear (as in, we have to win this year to keep Lebron happy). That can work if it produces a title. But if it fails, the door is left open for a huge organizational collapse.

If Lebron's ultimate goal is to win championships and be one of the greatest players of all time, he CAN'T stay in Cleveland. His most notable teammates are past their championship primes. Neither Jamison, nor Williams, nor O'Neal is a No. 2 on a championship team. Not now, definitely not in 3 years. The ONLY justifiable reason for him to stay in Cleveland, in my mind, is out of loyalty to his hometown. But if he's trying to win rings and be the greatest of all time, screw that. The Cavs had their chance to surround him with a stable nucleus and they failed. End of story.

If his goal is to make big time money and perform on center stage of the greatest basketball stage in the world, he needs to go to NY. If his goal is to hi-five the jigga-man, he needs to go to NJ. If his goal is to win championships, he needs to go to Chicago.

Jamison is empty stats and always has been. Shaq has been playing like he's wearing concrete shoes for a couple years now. Varejao as an argument for a top-notch inside presence? They don't have a single play for Varejao, his job on offense is to run around and catch the ball when Lebron gets him open. Z can't even get minutes anymore. Hickson is another guy who would be nothing without Lebron. Mo Williams and Delonte West are solid third scoring options. Parker is a decent perimeter defender.


That team would be nothing without Lebron. Absolutely putrid. With a bad coach (have you seen their offensive sets?) it's amazing that they've had the success they have. Get them a coach who has some idea of how to assemble a cohesive offense and can comprehend the idea of adjustments, then add a real post player. That would be a title team. Until then, you have a bunch of parts that don't add up to a real contender.

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So the Cavs have played six seasons with LeBron in full superstar mode. They have had six years to build a championship team around the easiest player in the league to build around.

And what have they done with it?

They declined an option on Carlos Boozer, thinking they had an under-the-table handshake agreement, and Boozer bolted for more money in Utah. They gave $70 million to Larry Hughes, or roughly $4.50 for each bad shot. They overpaid Drew Gooden. They took Mo Williams' contract off Milwaukee's hands. They took Ben Wallace's contract off Chicago's hands. They took Shaq's contract off Phoenix's hands. They took Antawn Jamison's contract off of Washington's hands. They have acquired one overvalued asset after another -- chances are good that if you walked away from your house after the real estate market collapsed, the Cavs now own it.

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brilliant

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Don't know where you got that Mookie but I'd be willing to bet the guy that wrote it probably also raved about the Shaq and Jamison acquisitions, if not even some of the others mentioned.

Does it bother anyone that all year long we hear about how Cleveland has upgraded their roster and made an attempt to put talent around Lebron....but the minute things look a little dicey in the playoffs everyone immediately assumes the Cavs didn't "try hard enough"?

My guess is that if they had held onto Boozer, they'd probably still be no better off, and Boozer would be considered a "stiff".

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I agree to a certain extent Mass.

I just think that's the gamble you take when you roll the dice with aging veterans. They can win a few games and their aquisitions can be applauded for an extended period of time. But if they don't produce a championship quickly, the championship window can close fast and the door is left wide open for scrutiny.

adding Jamison was a great move.

Mo Williams is and always will be very inconsistent. Delonte should have been playing more of his minutes.

Lebron's supporting cast this year isn't full of scrubs, but it's not near the best in the league.

I laugh at some of Simple's posts to try and paint that cast as some super-team. First of all, no one is arguing(at least I think no one is) that the Cavs supporting cast is worse than Kobe's was pre-gasol. Then again, Kobe was barely making it into the playoffs and Lebron was best reg. season record and EC Finals/TBD this year.

That being said, Lebron's going to need more than Jamison, some impact defensive players, a few high flying leapers, and absolutely no high level offensive skill at the 5 position to get over the hump.

I don't necessarily agree with Cowherd. We've seen Kobe act like a ***** and make those "statement" games many times over. However, Lebron will gladly take himself away from the main focus and be a pass first guy if it's going well for the team. Last night was just different, but I don't necessarily think he was sending a message. It's too late in the season/playoffs, too important to send a message. You don't lose game 5 on your home court and go down 3-2 in a year where you still have a real chance of winning an NBA Finals just to say "here's what it looks like without me."

I think it's a combination of things. The elbow, his shot was off so he tried to start passing more and staying away from an iso game, forcing too much offense into Shaq and slowing down their play, and the Celtics beating their ass.

We'll see what happens in game 6.

Regardless of what happens this year, a roll over in game 6, a game 7 loss, EC Finals loss, NBA Finals Loss, or Finals win...he's leaving Cleveland, IMHO.

I'm just glad when I read all of this that the read didn't turn into "he's just not a clutch playoff performer" nonsense that I heard from some people on ESPN last night. He's shown over and over again that he is, and what he did vs. Detroit was one of the greatest performances of all time. now THAT was truly a team full of scrubs that he led all the way to the NBA finals when he had no business doing so.

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Bill Simmons weighs in, expanding on the Big Picture points that I have been trying to make.

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Look, I still believe LeBron will end up becoming one of the best six or seven players ever. I also believe we'll look back at this Cleveland stretch and end up blaming his coach and GM. For seven solid years, the fate of the Cavaliers depended solely and completely on how LeBron James played. It wasn't really fair. With that said, he has four flaws right now: he doesn't have a low-post game; he hasn't learned to play consistently well when he isn't 100 percent (like, say, Kobe or Nash has); he settles for 20-footers and threes when he's not playing well (instead of just getting to the rim); and the way he floats in and out of playoff series is positively T-Mac-ian. The first three are fixable. I'm worried about the fourth. The T-Mac gene scares me. I'm not gonna lie.

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disagree COMPLETELY with that part. That's vintage Simmons rubbing it in with a final burn. I find it hilarious that he would even consider comparing his performances thus far in his career to that of T-Mac's.

More Simmons

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You would have thought I was ecstatic. And believe me, I was. The Boston fan in me was doing backflips. But there's an NBA fan inside me as well -- the one that cares about the history of the game, and true greatness, and how the eras intersect, and how the Current Legendary Player compares to the Previous Legendary Players -- and that part was just plain dumbfounded by the game LeBron James played. Hey, everyone has a stinker lurking inside them. But Tuesday night? Of all nights?

As the game wound down to the buzzer, I found myself looking towards Charles Barkley's comments more than ever before at any point in the playoffs. Like me, he cares about the big-picture stuff, and this was a big-picture moment. His words carry more weight than mine ever could. The funny thing about great ex-players is that they want new guys to be great. It's almost like belonging to an exclusive club -- you can't just let anyone in, they have to fight their way past the bouncer, but when they get there, you're delighted to see them.

We're glad you made it. Congratulations. Have a seat. Would you like one of MJ's cigars? Can Russell mix you a drink? We're glad you're here. We're proud of you.

LeBron just seemed like he was headed into the club. It was a foregone conclusion. Now? I don't know. And neither did Barkley.

"I gotta tell you something, Ernie," he said to Ernie Johnson. "As a fan -- and I've said all year that LeBron James was the best basketball player in the world -- but I'm 100 percent disappointed. Not the fact that he didn't have a good game, he clearly didn't have a good game. But his mentality ... I go back, I played against a Michael Jordan, a Karl Malone, a Patrick Ewing, listen, their gun was gonna be empty by the end of the game. And I did not see that tonight. Clearly it happened in Game 2, but tonight, in the biggest game of the season, this was clearly the biggest game of the season, I did not see the aggression that I needed from an MVP at home."

Exactly. It was ... dumbfounding. That's what it was.

At the same time, e-mails were pouring into my mailbox from Cavaliers fans. One guy said, "God hates Cleveland." Another said, "I'm watching basketball die in my city." Another said, "LeBron just virtuoso eviscerated David Robinson's record for worst performance by an MVP in the playoffs." Another said, "LeBron has his perfect excuse to leave the city and go join Jay-Z and the Yankees in New York like he has always wanted. We are all watching the death of professional sports in Cleveland."

The e-mails kept pouring in -- same themes, same thoughts. Maybe LeBron has been hearing those voices the whole time. Maybe his teammates just suck. Maybe Boston is better. Maybe LeBron isn't as good as we thought. Maybe he's more injured than we know. Maybe sports doesn't always make sense. There are no answers, just maybes. And since he's only 25 years old, it's too early to say that this week could define LeBron's legacy. Obviously.

At the same time, every career has a tipping point when you have to pour cement on the foundation career, have it harden and say, "How this plays out will probably determine who this player is going to be." For Jordan, it was the 1991 Finals. For Bird, it was the 1984 Finals. For Ewing, it was the 1994 Finals. For Magic, it was the 1985 Finals. For Malone, it happened late (the 1997 Finals). For Kobe, it happened early (the 2000 Finals). And so on. Always -- without fail -- it happens in the Finals, because it's the ultimate test of pressure.

Only this time, with LeBron James, it's happening right now. Round 2. At the age of 25. With the weight of a city on his shoulders. With a big decision looming. With the stench of a dreadful Game 5 still lingering. With an experienced Boston team (and crowd) waiting. On Thursday night, the cement will be poured for LeBron James. It's time. I have no idea what will happen, and neither do you.

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Sure. Why not give him the other team's playbooks and lower his goal by 1/2 a foot as well?

Look, at some point a guy like Lebron is going to have to put the team on his back no matter who "they" are. That's what Jordan did. That's what Duncan did. That's what Hakeem and Wade did. If Lebron is worth all of his hype, he ought to be able to win with what he's got in play. Period.

People are acting like he has to have a top-5 center and a top-5 PG on his team in order to "fulfill his destiny" or something. What good is a superstar if you have to fill the rest of the roster with all-stars in order to win anything???

are you kidding me? All of those teams had MUCH better supporting casts than Lebron.

I'm making the point that it takes more than 1 guy.

He doesn't have to have a top 5 center and a top 5 PG, but he needs to have a top 10 player at 1 other position likely, which every example you made had...and he currently does not have.

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Prior to the arrival of Tim Duncan, the San Antonio Spurs were in about the same position as the Cleveland Cavaliers are in, right now. Good team, could make it to the playoffs, but generally got beat (sometimes embarrased) in the first round.

Had they not won that first championship with Duncan, given how the following 3 years went, that "supporting cast" would have been perceived the EXACT SAME WAY as Cleveland's is now. Not good enough to get the job done. The fact that they are perceived as "good enough" now, stems only from the fact that Duncan put that team on his back and had monster performances against LA and Portland....and got the job done.

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LOL at Simplebay suggesting Lebron's supporting cast might be the best in the NBA. That's one for the archives.

It's the best he's had in Cleveland but overall it's still pretty average.

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I'd argue that Lebron's supporting cast this year is worse than ANY of Kobe's during their title years. Kobe did have some rough ones, but he's had some great ones too.

I agree that Lebron deserves some criticism. It's the 2nd straight year they have dominated in the regular season only to struggle in the playoffs. This is his best team yet. And he was awful in their biggest game of the season.

However, you can't necessarily jump to the conclusion that this somehow proves Kobe is the better player because he has won titles. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

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I don't necessarily disagree with the comparison, but since LeBron has been on the Cavaliers they've never been embarrassed in the playoffs.

LeBron's never lost a first round series.

LeBron's only ever lost 1 series as a higher seed, last year to Orlando, and there isn't a single person on Earth who thinks that's on him.

LeBron has his best supporting cast by far this year, but without him the only players who are good are Antawn Jamison, Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao. Obviously LeBron's going to get all the blame, but look at Mo Williams vs. Boston. He's averaged 11.6 ppg on 39.6% shooting while getting absolutely butt****ed on defense. That's terrible. He's been outplayed by Derek Fisher, who's maybe the 5th or 6th best player on the Lakers. Even Jamison is putting up Odom-esque numbers in twice the minutes. That's just not going to cut it.

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Good to see Simplebay's ridiculous lack of knowledge about anything basketball related is continuing.

I was listening to Tim Legler today on one of the ESPN shows and he made a great point. If you had to list the best players in this series, it would go something like this

1. Lebron
2. Rondo
3,4,5. Garnett, Pierce, Ray Allen in any order
6, 7. Possibly Jamison or Mo Williams, but it's debatable.

So at the very best, Lebron is playing with the 6th best player in this series as his second fiddle. As a result, he doesn't have the luxury of having a bad game like he had last night. Kobe was downright terrible for a couple of the games in the Thunder series, but he gets away with it because he has Gasol, Bynum, Artest or even sometimes Odom there to pick up the slack.

He needs another bonafide All Star to play with (Mo Williams doesn't count), which is why I think he's either going to Chicago to play with Rose and Noah, or to NY to play with Bosh. Either way, if they lose tomorrow he's gone for sure. Can't fault Cleveland because they did everything they could, they just made the wrong moves.

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uhh, j walter, hate to rain on your parade...

-Shaq, Jamison, Williams are all all stars.

-Varejao has made all defensive team

-Anthony Parker won pretty much every Euroleague award you can win.

his team is not scrubs. good to see your bball knowledge.


the thing hardly anyone is mentioning, is LEBRON IS NOT MAKING THESE DECENT/GOOD PLAYERS PLAY WELL.


if lebron was so good, he'd be making his teammates better. they are close enough to do those stupid warmup bowling pin, team picture things. but not good enough to play as a unit when it matters on the floor. That is beginning to become lebron's legacy.

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Wow...ummmm no...

http://www.nba.com/allstar2010/players/

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!

He's the gift that keeps on giving. Kobe couldn't win one without Gasol or Shaq, and Lebron will have the same problem until he gets a player on his team of the same caliber.

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Puddy...I didn't say this year ya nimwit. But recently

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