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Gasol is at 10. Bosh at 4.

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Gasol also played with the best player in the NBA (or at least a top 3 player) while Bosh played on a team that missed the playoffs. Makes a big difference.

I think Gasol and Bosh are pretty much a tossup.

There is no way you can put Miller over Odom.

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Bron, Wade, Bosh, Miller, and Haslem combine for 36 reb/game.

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It is absolutely asinine to assume that they will get just as many rebounds together as they did separately.

For instance:
In 1993, Rodman and Robinson averaged a combined 30 RPG while playing for the Pistons and Spurs. In 94 when they joined forces, they averaged a combined 28. Robinson took some of the rebounds away from Rodman and Rodman took some away from Robinson.

It is asinine to think that those 5 players will averaged 36 RPG together. The league average is 41.7rpg for a team.

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I think it's funny how everyone is assuming the East to the new Heat! That is by no means a given anything but.

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Boston, Orlando and Chicago can match them and at the end of a season may have more legs and defense and inside toughness to weather the playoffs.

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Maybe. I don't think Bron/Wade/Bosh are going to be playing all that many more minutes than they already do.

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No doubt that Miami's big three can put up some impressive numbers in all areas. However they are going to have to do that pretty consistently because they have no balance at all.

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Name 1 team's star that does not have to put up consistently good numbers. Now, if Lebron has an off game, he has Wade/Bosh to lean on.

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They are going to have to work hard a lot of minutes on both sides of the floor. None of those guys are used to doing that.

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Uh, that would probably be news to them.

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Basically they are going to be soft inside on both sides of the floor and I think that that is going to cause them some great problems over the long haul.

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They definitely will not be soft in the paint on offense. Wade and Lebron are two of the best finishers around the hoop in the league.

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They are going to get gut punched and over the course of a season that can take a big toll on you! Legit bigs are going to be chomping at the bit to have it em.

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Haslem is a good defender. Bosh will have to up his D. Again, the roster is not filled so you are jumping the gun.

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I am not even talking about chemistry and learning how to play together and who is the go to guy in crunch time.

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They played pretty well together in the Olympics.

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The Heat will do well to make it past the 2nd round next year unless they pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to address their soft belly!

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So right now with barely enough players to field a starting 5, you are putting them in the conference finals? Impressive.

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They definitely will not be soft in the paint on offense. Wade and Lebron are two of the best finishers around the hoop in the league.

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They can certainly slash, but no one on this team has a brilliant post game.

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t is absolutely asinine to assume that they will get just as many rebounds together as they did separately.

For instance:
In 1993, Rodman and Robinson averaged a combined 30 RPG while playing for the Pistons and Spurs. In 94 when they joined forces, they averaged a combined 28. Robinson took some of the rebounds away from Rodman and Rodman took some away from Robinson.

It is asinine to think that those 5 players will averaged 36 RPG together. The league average is 41.7rpg for a team.

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Its -asinine- to use their reb totals from last year to give an indication of what they will be capable of next year when playing together.... and the way you came about calling me asinine is by going with an example of where two guys combined for 2 less reb/game when playing together?

Gasol's rebounds have increased every year with the Lakers despite Bynum's increased minutes, the addition of Artest (who lost 1 reb/game with the Lakers), and Odom's minutes.

It is not an asinine assumption

Those Vegas guys seem to know what they're doing, and the Heat are the favorites to win the NBA Championship in 2011.

On team USA, here are Bosh/Bron/Wade per 48m rebounding stats playing together (also with other big time stars)

Bosh: 16.9
Bron: 10.3
Wade: 10.2

Last season in the NBA per 48m playing apart:
Bosh: 14.4
Bron: 9.0
Wade: 6.4

It is absolutely asinine to assume that these players from different teams will have the same rebound numbers as they come together to play together.

When Gasol was on Memphis he averaged 8.8 for the half season. Then traded to LA and he averaged 7.8 the rest of the year.

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Seriously? You are trying to compare TEAM USA stats to NBA stats?

Pau followed by averaging 9.6 and 11.3 the following years (2 of his 3 best years), despite playing with much better players around him. Bynum played in far more games and got more playing time in both of the years that Pau increased his average. Both Bynum and Odom increased their reb/game average from 08-09 to 09-10 despite Pau having his best rebounding year in this career.

Its absolutely NOT asinine to assume that a player's rebound average can be used as an indicator as to what he would normally do despite who he is playing alongside.

Even in your example, their combined rebounds dropped by 2. I'd say the previous year's average was a pretty damn good indicator of what they were capable of together.



[This message has been edited by claym711 (edited 7/13/2010 1:10p).]

the lakers are back to back nba champs. the heat have like 5 players signed. and the players they have have never played together.

probably should not assume how they are going to blend together. no way the Heat are the favorites to win it all. no way bosh is better than gasol (even when he was THE man).

their stats will most likely go down now that they are playing together.

Team USA per48: (Again, since one obviously cannot assume that some here will see that this the best indicator available showing how they could play together, I am plainly stating it)
Wade: 41pts 10.2reb 4.9a 5.7stl
Bron: 30pts 10.3reb 3.7a 4.6stl
Bosh: 25pts 16.9reb 0.7a 2.1blk

NBA per48 (again, I recognize that some of the international teams lack talent, and the international game is played a bit differently)
Wade: 35pts 6.4reb 8.6a 2.4stl
Bron: 37pts 9.0reb 10.5a 2.0stl
Bosh: 32pts 14.4reb 3.2a 1.3blk


This reinforces my assumption that it will be easier for each individual to score (less double teams and defensive focus), and that they will be able to focus more on defense and rebounding.

The only stat Miller has on Odom over their careers is 3 pt shooting. Odom has averaged more in Scoring, Reb's, Assists, & FG% over their careers.

Defense is a huge edge to Odom, and he provides match-up flexibility & problems. Miller gives them shooting.

That in no way, shape or form gives Miller the edge.

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the heat have like 5 players signed. and the players they have have never played together.

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Wrong on both statements.

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no way the Heat are the favorites to win it all.

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I have not looked, but apparently Vegas disagrees with you.

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no way bosh is better than gasol (even when he was THE man).

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Plenty would disagree with you on that.

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their stats will most likely go down now that they are playing together.

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Some will go down, some will go up. My bet is that they will force a lot of turnovers and be pretty incredible in transition. Bron, Wade, and Bosh will rarely have to deal with a double team.

All of you guys talking about team chemistry make me LAUGH OUT LOUD. How's playing in the olympics and talking to one another about playing together for a year and a half sound for "team chemistry?"

Wade/Chalmers
LeBron
Miller/Butler
Bosh/Verando
Haslem/Ilgauskas/Pittman

Zydrunas, good pickup.

Weren't there people on this board saying that no players would be willing to play with the Heat for a minimum contract salary? Well, there goes Big Z. The pieces are falling in place for Miami Heat domination!

Z is a good center for them. He can stretch the floor on offense and not clog the paint.

Who is Verando? Don't see him listed on their roster.

Edit: nm, found him

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Weren't there people on this board saying that no players would be willing to play with the Heat for a minimum contract salary?

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I'm fairly certain that the VAST majority of those posts said no FA anywhere close to their prime would sign for the minimum. They've pretty much all said they'd be signing guys in their mid 30's on. Zydrunas is 35, so how is the board wrong thus far?

[This message has been edited by Syd_X_Barrett (edited 7/13/2010 2:42p).]

Soup already hit my point. They are slashers not post up guys.

Here is the deal what kind of identity is this Heat team going to have?

The funny thing is that people assume that great individual talent is going to make for a great team. Not necessarily. Their are big question marks and the pressure from extreme expectations is going to be powerful. NOw add the Heat and James in particular are going to be a very hated franchise. Let's see how James handles getting booed every night!

Funny thing James is in a no win deal. If they win the Championship they were supposed to. If they never win it James is a loser.

What I don't like is we are now going to get a heavy dose of Heat games on the National syndicates. I could really care less about what goes on the east!

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How many players in the entire NBA have a "brilliant post game"? What's your point?

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How many players in the entire NBA have a "brilliant post game"? What's your point?

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Only someone on every NBA championship team ever.
Gasol
Garnett
Duncan
Shaq
Robinson
Rasheed
Jordan
Hakeem
Walton
Kareem
McHale
Parish
Moses
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Gasol also played with the best player in the NBA (or at least a top 3 player) while Bosh played on a team that missed the playoffs. Makes a big difference.

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It is absolutely asinine to assume that they will get just as many rebounds together as they did separately.

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It is absolutely asinine to assume that these players from different teams will have the same rebound numbers as they come together to play together.

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A little more catty and condescending than usual, Guitar. What's the occasion?

Ramadan

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Only someone on every NBA championship team ever.

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Not to get into a pissing match, but the 88-89/89-90 Pistons AND the 78-79 Sonics won the title without a "brilliant" post presence. Unless Sikma and Laimbeer define brilliance for you.

It can be done.

Sonics are before my time.

The Pistons won with one of the best defensive teams ever combined with one of the best point guards ever that could get into the lane and score at will. Much like the 04 Pistons - the total team effort rather than the star with role players like most teams have had.

Shaq's post game was brilliant when the Heat won?

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NOw add the Heat and James in particular are going to be a very hated franchise. Let's see how James handles getting booed every night!

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You're nuts if you think LeBron is going to get booed everywhere. That Heat team is going to sell out a lot of opposing arenas.



[This message has been edited by claym711 (edited 7/13/2010 4:40p).]

Sonics are before my time.

The Pistons won with one of the best defensive teams ever combined with one of the best point guards ever that could get into the lane and score at will. Much like the 04 Pistons - the total team effort rather than the star with role players like most teams have had.

Those Pistons also had Rodman to go with Laimbeer. Also when a first team all-NBA defender is the worse of your two starting guards you're probably in good shape.

What about when you're second fiddle per texags is the league MVP?

Jordan had a brilliant post-up game?

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Jordan had a brilliant post-up game?

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Actually yes. He was pretty well known to be able to brilliantly post up on smaller guards.

The Heat won't win because LeBron James's jersey smells really bad after practices in 98 degree weather. How many more excuses can you people come up.

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the Heat and James in particular are going to be a very hated franchise.

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Why? Because Lebron left Cleveland? Did everyone hate Shaq when he left Orlando? Did everyone hate LA because Memphis gave them Gasol for a bag of beads? Did everyone hate Boston because of Garnett?

I am not saying the Heat won't have challenges. There is no guarantee that they will even get out of the East. But you people who are acting like they aren't the new favorites to win the title are just wrong. Wade, Bron, and Bosh are going to be incredible. I can't wait to watch them.

I believe they have the next 6 years locked up together, and they are all pretty young. Wade is the old man in the group, and he is just 28. Get used to the Heat being awesome. That's just the way it is.