That analysis from Simmons is ridiculous. You're going to penalize Karl in the playoffs for losing to a Jordan-led Bulls team and Lakers team which ended up winning it all?

Using Shawn Kemp, Ray Allen and Carmelo Anthony as arguments for Karl going further in the playoffs? Shawn Kemp was a nutcase, Ray Allen was never a tier 1 superstar and had to latch on to two other teams for title runs, and Carmelo Anthony is ****ing Carmelo Anthony.

The fact that he was able to coach any team with Shawn Kemp, Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, JaVale McGee, J.R. Smith, etc. to any level of success should qualify him for a Nobel Prize.

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The fact that he was able to coach any team with Shawn Kemp, Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, JaVale McGee, J.R. Smith, etc. to any level of success should qualify him for a Nobel Prize.

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Question posed to ESPN Forecast panal: Who is the best coach?


Gregg Popovich 690
Tom Thibodeau 433
Doc Rivers 262
Rick Carlisle 169
Erik Spoelstra 131
George Karl 72
Rick Adelman 39
Lionel Hollins 38
Frank Vogel 20
Mike Woodson 8
Mark Jackson 5
Scott Brooks 4
Kevin McHale 1

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/58016/the-best-coach-in-the-nba

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Pop
Thib






everyone else

spoelstra in the top five? i could coach the heat, too. "hey, lebron. you're a freak of nature and basically unstoppable. go do whatever the **** you feel like"

boom. 60 wins and the east bid to the finals.

The key to the Heats success is granny shot knock out and 3 man weave. A good coach would recognize that and Spoelstra did. So you saying he isn't a top 5 coach is ridiculous

Lebron James probably does more in-game coaching than Spoelstra. Spoelstra is just the front man.

stupid iphone DP

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to derail this thread further, Bill Simmons ranks his top 4 coaches (in no order):

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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9239387/thirty-questions-part-2

P.S. whoever says Pop isn't the best coach in basketball is an idiot

Nice little segment on TNT (post-Spurs game), of Karl getting the award. Talked about losing his friend, Rick Majerus, and his family.

George Karl has the longest current streak of non-losing seasons (21) and is tied with Phil Jax for longest in league history, but he probably deserves some kind of award for putting up with that roster that had Allen Iverson, Carmello, Birdman, JR Smith, and Kenyon Martin on it.

I was going to put this in the playoffs threads, but this should be a factor in Coach of the Year discussions. Not really sure what thread it should be in.

As a lad, Frank Vogel was on Stupid Human tricks (David Letterman) in the 80s for spinning a basketball on a toothbrush while he brushes teeth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v5fndP7ELY


And he can still do the trick (video from Wish for Our Heros party) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izmjGMx0vC4

I think Thibs is in the discussion for best coach in the NBA. I also can't watch Memphis without being amazed with how well they are coached And how perfect and cohesive their defense is.

I do think Spolestra is a good coach. He designed his offense to work with 3 stars (something LA has proven is not simple) maximizing their talents and their defense is really well coached. Its not just individual efforts by LeBron, you can tell they execute a well defined strategy at a high level.

Like last year, the DPOY gets 2nd team All-Defensive team.

First team:
CP3
LBJ
Tony Allen
Serge
Noah
Chandler


Second team
Mike Conley
Avery Bradley
M. Gasol
Duncan
Paul George

Six first teasers?

Noah and Chandler tied for 1st team

Looks like they have the 1st and 2nd team big men reversed.

I thought Tyson was exposed as an overrated media darling when he won dpoy but couldn't get the coaches to vote him 1st team all-defense last year? Now the coaches are in on it too.

All NBA Teams out:


2012-13 ALL-NBA FIRST TEAM
Forward LeBron James, Miami
Forward Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City
Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers
Guard Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers

2012-13 ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM
Forward Carmelo Anthony, New York
Forward Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers
Center Marc Gasol, Memphis
Guard Tony Parker, San Antonio
Guard Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City

2012-13 ALL-NBA THIRD TEAM
Forward David Lee, Golden State
Forward Paul George, Indiana
Center Dwight Howard, L.A. Lakers
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami
Guard James Harden, Houston


Other players receiving votes, with point totals: Brook Lopez, Brooklyn, 132 (7 First Team votes); Stephen Curry, Golden State, 72; LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland, 62; Chris Bosh, Miami, 59 (4); Joakim Noah, Chicago, 56 (3); Zach Randolph, Memphis, 45; Al Horford, Atlanta, 31 (2); Paul Pierce, Boston, 24; Al Jefferson, Utah, 20 (1); Tyson Chandler, New York, 19 (1); Roy Hibbert, Indiana, 9; Luol Deng, Chicago, 8; Kevin Garnett, Boston, 8; Ty Lawson, Denver, 8; Josh Smith, Atlanta, 7; Deron Williams, Brooklyn, 6; Pau Gasol, LA Lakers, 4; Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City, 4; Omer Asik, Houston, 3; Kenneth Faried, Denver, 3; Raymond Felton, New York, 3; Kyrie Irving, Cleveland, 3; Carlos Boozer, Chicago, 2; Mike Conley, Memphis, 2; David West, Indiana, 2; Rudy Gay, Toronto, 1; J.J. Hickson, Portland, 1; Andre Iguodala, Denver, 1; Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas, 1; Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota, 1; Rajon Rondo, Boston, 1; Nikola Vucevic, Orlando, 1.

4 LA guys combining for 4 post-season wins. Interesting.
And that wouldn't have changed if he was healthy.

Timmy. Well deserved.

J.J. Hickson, huh.

Timmy making the 1st team at 37? Unreal. I think Tony and Russ were more deserving than Kobe though.

And Griffin on the second team is a joke.

Griffin is constantly overrated. I don't get it. He is so one dimensional. Easy to stop.

Happy for Tony.

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I think Tony and Russ were more deserving than Kobe though.

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Parker only playing 80% of the season hurts him. I can see an argument for Westbrook.

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Tim Duncan's teammates on his first All-NBA first-team: Karl Malone, Shaq, MJ and Gary Payton! He spans the generations.

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That's a great perspective. Pretty incredible.

For someone with more energy and interest than I.
I would like to see the list of names that Duncan have been on all-nba team with Duncan.

Chris Paul played 4 more games that Tony Parker. 70 to 66. 5% more games.

I would probably put Westbrook in over both Paul and Parker. Kobe deserves his 1st Team spot this year. That team was in disarray.

Though, I guess you can argue the same thing for Paul since he was playing for Vinny Del Negro who managed to get fired twice despite having coached two of the best four point guards in the league.