Wrong thread.

Rumor is that Stephen Curry is gay, too.

Whether or not you feel the same way, if you can't see how someone would be uncomfortable about being in the same locker room as a homosexual, you aren't as enlightened as you think you are.

It is asinine of people like Lebron to say it is a trust factor, when its pretty clear how the majority of the NBA feels about gay people.

I'm going to get even more politically incorrect and interject race in this discussion and say that anecdotally, in my experience black people (as a group obviously, with exceptions) are some of the most anti-gay thinkers there are, among different racial groups. It wouldn't surprise me if about 90% of NBA players would be uncomfortable playing with gay teammates, whether they admit it publicly or not.

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I'd bet 90% of white NBA players feel,the same way

Black people are so anti-gay that they were the ones who were lobbying congress for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, right? Wait, it wasn't?

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Rumor is that Stephen Curry is gay, too.

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you just made that up.

He's been married with a kid for a while

Cry my a river about millionaire athletes complaining about showering/playing with gays. Servicemembers are already forced to share foxholes and bunks with gays.

As a soceity, we are told that being "gay" or homosexual or whatever is OK. Maybe a lot more people dont think it is OK, or acceptable, than soceity would tend to try and make you believe.

As I have said before, being "gay" is that persons issue, not mine.

Who the hell is Stephen Curry?

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I am 60.

Think of this. John Wayne played the part of Sergeant Stryker in a WWII movie. One of the privates in his squad was shot and killed (dont remember this guys name). In the scene where this guy was shot, he was carrying a book in his front pocket entitled, "They were all young and gay," or something like that. This movie was filmed in 1945-1946 or so? In the mid 40's the word gay meant nothing; in 2013, the word "gay" means something else.

I'm at work; gotta go.

Jason about to be interviewed on Good Morning America. Should be interesting.

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It's the same playbook used over and over. Support = enlightened forward-thinker. Oppose = close-minded bigot. What if I don't let sexuality define my opinion of a person? What if I don't care if they're gay (like I don't care if some fringe nobody center is a gay)? What if I think being gay is weird? As long as I don't infringe on his life or disrespect his lifestyle in a way that impedes his rights, what difference does it make?

It's not enough to be in any of those camps. You have to think about gays a certain way and not tolerate, not be indifferent, but accept. I don't like being told how to think - especially in a militant manner where I'm being insulted if I don't conform.

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In the mid 40's the word gay meant nothing; in 2013, the word "gay" means something else.

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Big ****ing deal. Who cares?

Words change meaning over time.

Awful use to mean inspiring wonder. Kinda like Awesome.

Egregious has a latin root that means literally standing out from the flock or illustrious.

A bookmark used to be just a marker to put in your book. Now it probably means a website marked to return to later.

Pretty used to mean cunning or tricky.

Decimate means to reduce by 1/10th, but we use it to mean obliterate.

Disinterested literally means unbiased, but we use it to mean not interested.

Notorious means simply known, but we use it more in line with infamy. Eliot Ness was famous, Al Capone was notorious.

Nice means pleasant, but the latin root of the word and original meaning was ignorant or stupid.

Geek used to mean a sideshow freak, now we have Geek Chic and it has been embraced by society as a style completely unrelated to sideshow stuff.



So again, big ****ing deal. The word changed. We speak a living language.

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Black people are so anti-gay that they were the ones who were lobbying congress for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, right? Wait, it wasn't?

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70% of black voters voted for Prop 8 in CA banning gay marriage, the highest of any demographic in 2008.

The next highest was Latinos, followed by White, then Asians.

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Rumor is that Stephen Curry is gay, too.

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you just made that up.

He's been married with a kid for a while

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I didn't make it up. Supposedly that is what Magic Johnson's kid, who is openly gay, is telling people. And like he'd be the first ever gay person who got married and had a kid? Did you forget about Troy Aikman already? A lot of gays do it because they are in denial or trying to cover up their homosexuality.

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Who the hell is Stephen Curry?

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Why the hell are you on a basketball board? If you don't know who he is you must not watch any basketball.

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Who the hell is Stephen Curry?

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No offense, but GTFOH.

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Did you forget about Troy Aikman already?

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why can't troy be gay?

that would be like Superman coming out of the closet

I know for a fact Troy airman is gay.

He's gay for this chick, I think



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This is seriously the first time I've ever heard that the reason why there are separate bathrooms for men and women is because of the fear of sexual attraction. You never thought it was because men and women have 1) different anatomical features which require different disposal fixtures or 2) different bodily functions that may require some privacy to attend to? I seriously was never ever told that the reason why there are different bathrooms was because in the chaos of pee/poop/farts/periods, that I may be tempted to have sex with the person next to me.

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Are you seriously arguing that the reason we have male/female bathrooms and locker rooms is because of different anatomical features that require different fixtures? How hard would it be to have a locker room with both urinals and stalls...or just a lot of stalls and no urinals? Not hard at all...we already have them. This is definitely not a reason why we have the male/female distinction.

Your different bodily functions argument is a little bit better I guess, but I would counter with, why do females need privacy from males and males need privacy from females....but females don't need privacy from females? I think the undertone of this feeling is sexual. SUBCONCIOUSLY, females want privacy from males because they are attracted to males and males are attracted to them.

And for the last time, I have never said anything about people wanting to have sex in bathrooms. You and the other poster keep saying stuff like this to try and discredit my points, but I have never said anything about people having sex or hitting on people in bathrooms or locker rooms.

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Men and women (some of whom are sexually attracted to each other) work at company A. Part of their job requires manual labor, so they have to shower mid-day. If sexual preference should not make anyone feel uncomfortable, they should all just shower together. Why not, everyone should be comfortable enough to know that the other people will not hit on them, stare at them, etc right?

This obviously doesn't happen, as there will be a female bathroom/shower and a male bathrooom/shower. Why doesn't it happen?

Would you argue that in the above scenario the men and women should shower together? If not, why is your answer different here than with a gay NBA player?

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Head Ninja, I have not heard you or anyone else answer these questions. If your answer is different in this scenario than it is with a gay NBA player, please explain why it is (I'm not challenging you, I actually just want to know why you don't think these men and women should have to shower together but that gay and straight men should have to).

Unfortunately, I have to get work done today, so I won't be able to post much more today.

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It bums me out that Lebron said that. I really like him.

Hvaing played sports all my life and being a gay man, the locker room actually stressed me out a lot. I went out of my way to not look at anyone out of fear of violating someone. It was my own guilt, I would be devastated if anyone ever felt uncomfortable by me.

I am sure Jason Collins treated it the same way, but can't speak for all gay athletes.

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It is asinine of people like Lebron to say it is a trust factor, when its pretty clear how the majority of the NBA feels about gay people

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Am I missing something or is this just another "excuse" to hate on Lebron? Lebron said it's a trust factor to NOT know a teammate was gay. He didn't say he wouldn't play with a gay teammate, he didn't say he was homophobic or didn't want any gay people on his team...he merely said "if you're gay AND YOU'RE NOT ADMITTING THAT YOU ARE, THEN YOU ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY" to which I agree. Calling his statement asinine is incorrect...how can you trust a person you spend months and months on end playing basketball with, staying in hotels, trying to win championships and trust that person when they can't even be honest with themselves? He basically saying live you life and be honest and don't hide in the closet...

If we're saying a wife and kid/kids is proof of non-gay, Tim Duncan's wife and kids show up at games from time to time.

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Would you argue that in the above scenario the men and women should shower together? If not, why is your answer different here than with a gay NBA player?

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A gay NBA player (or man in general) ≠ A woman


This is the point I'm trying to make. I think people who believe this are misdirected in their definition of homosexuality. Just because a man is attracted to other men does not automatically make him a woman and as such, does not require that he be treated exactly like a woman based on nothing else other than his attraction to men.

It is literally just one aspect of his life. One aspect of a man's life (sexual preference) does not define his manhood and because of that you can't just say "Well, he likes men, so he must automatically be treated like a woman in every way including the bathrooms he uses."

This basically goes along with my point that bathrooms aren't separated only by sexual preference as you contended. Because guess what, a woman's (and a man's) need for a separate bathroom go beyond that of sexual attraction. They have their own disgusting issues which require gender privacy. These disgusting issues are unique to women and are not shared with a gay man so why should they have to share the same bathroom?

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Am I missing something or is this just another "excuse" to hate on Lebron? Lebron said it's a trust factor to NOT know a teammate was gay. He didn't say he wouldn't play with a gay teammate, he didn't say he was homophobic or didn't want any gay people on his team...he merely said "if you're gay AND YOU'RE NOT ADMITTING THAT YOU ARE, THEN YOU ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY" to which I agree. Calling his statement asinine is incorrect...how can you trust a person you spend months and months on end playing basketball with, staying in hotels, trying to win championships and trust that person when they can't even be honest with themselves? He basically saying live you life and be honest and don't hide in the closet...

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How about considering why his teammate had to keep his homosexuality a secret and empathize with the guy instead of criticizing him?

As long as the player is trustworthy when it comes to basketball related issues nothign else should matter. Look at Rodman and the Bulls for a prime example. Dude was whacked out of his gourd but as long as he gave it all he had on the court, his teammates had no issue with him. It was only went he was full retard during a game affecting the team that they cared what he did.

^Agreed. Marvin Harrison was Peyton Manning's number one guy for ten years. They're one of the top five QB/WR combos in NFL history. Probably top three.

As long as they got the job done on the field (which they did), nobody cared that Marvin Harrison was basically the real life Marlo Stanfield.

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A gay NBA player (or man in general) ‚ A woman


This is the point I'm trying to make. I think people who believe this are misdirected in their definition of homosexuality. Just because a man is attracted to other men does not automatically make him a woman and as such, does not require that he be treated exactly like a woman based on nothing else other than his attraction to men.

It is literally just one aspect of his life. One aspect of a man's life (sexual preference) does not define his manhood and because of that you can't just say "Well, he likes men, so he must automatically be treated like a woman in every way including the bathrooms he uses."

This basically goes along with my point that bathrooms aren't separated only by sexual preference as you contended. Because guess what, a woman's (and a man's) need for a separate bathroom go beyond that of sexual attraction. They have their own disgusting issues which require gender privacy. These disgusting issues are unique to women and are not shared with a gay man so why should they have to share the same bathroom?

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I understand what you are saying, so we will just have to agree to disagree. I, like you, don't think a gay man should be treated like a woman in every aspect of his life. However, I do understand if other men do not want him taking showers with them. I do think his attraction to men allows him to be treated differently in this scenario, and it is only one minor aspect of his life (not every aspect). And before anyone gets to this point, no I don't think gay men should be banned from public locker rooms or restrooms. I am only referring to the NBA example where players may feel uncomfortable if they know a certain individual is gay.

For the record, I don't think anyone would have a problem with a gay player sharing a bathroom with them. I think that is different than showering with them for a number of reasons that I won't get into(just my opinion). I am only talki8ng about the locker room/showering.

I'll also agree to disagree about the disgusting issues that are unique to gender being the reason why we have male/female bathrooms. I guess you are referring to "woman issues?" It's not like we do disgusting things together or help each other out in the bathroom, so I am not sure why this would be a reason male/female bathrooms were created. I find it MUCH MORE LIKELY that the founders of male/female bathrooms created them because of the sexual attraction (and all the things that spawn from that attraction like embarassment, privacy, etc).

I understand your points and get what you are saying. I just disagree with them.

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Until commissioner pantywaist came along and started fining players for allegations of behavior off the field.

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How about considering why his teammate had to keep his homosexuality a secret and empathize with the guy instead of criticizing him?

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Lebron controls that locker room in Miami, and apparently his only beef is that gay players STAY IN THE CLOSET. If a teams' star player is supporting a gay player, what good is there being in the closet if that's who you really are? But of course, instead of putting responsibility on the person holding in a secret, you criticize Lebron for speaking his mind?

I swear, freedom of speech and empathy really are a one way street to some of you...