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If you don't think half the NBA is going to be beating down Tim Duncan's door the day he retires, you're crazy.

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I don't think they'll be able to find him. He will be off the grid.

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The fact that we have had this debate like 5 times in the past year is proof that the players are very close

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The only thing that this proves is that Basketball Other is filled with degenerates.

True

Duncan's peak in the 03 playoffs was pretty crazy. 24/17/5/5 average capped off with 21/20/10/8 to clinch the title. And that Duncan team wasn't as good as either Rockets title team.

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Basketball Other is filled with degenerates.

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This

In no particular order:

Dream
Duncan
Clyde
Barkley
Dirk
Elvin Hayes
Moses Malone
Tmac
Yao
Calvin Murphy

After his career, Tim is going to disappear. He's going to swim in the ocean on an island and he'll only come back long enough for HoF ceremonies or important events like that.

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In no particular order:

Dream
Duncan
Clyde
Barkley
Dirk
Elvin Hayes
Moses Malone
Tmac
Yao
Calvin Murphy

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Do you know there are teams outside of Houston?

argument decided..duncan is better...

http://www.whatifsports.com/NBA/boxscore.asp?GameID=8586996&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

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Do you know there are teams outside of Houston?

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Nah, not really. Those teams don't mean sh*t

How is this even a question...Hakeem> Duncan...

Duncan cant' keep his wife happy let alone be better than the Dream.

Sh*t just got real

SHOTS FIRED.

Hakeem is on his second wife. Hth.

Nice try, Amy Duncan

Duncan will never have to play for the Raptors.

When Duncan goes to HOF will his bust be with his hands up saying he didn't foul?

LOL..What a ******

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If you don't think half the NBA is going to be beating down Tim Duncan's door the day he retires, you're crazy.

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They'll probably be beating down his door in the Virgin Islands asking for swimming lessons

If I had to pick between Duncan and Hakeem to build a team around that would last for 10 years, I would take Duncan. If I had to pick between the two at their absolute best and I had that player for just one season, I would take Hakeem. 94-95 Hakeem was better than Duncan at any point in his career.

Dream is clearly #1. Not close.

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Dream is clearly #1. Not close

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Thanks a lot for that fantastic and logical argument… either try to prove your point or don't even bother posting

Better than Dirk.

Better than Duncan.

#1 on the court and in my heart.

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In no particular order:

Dream
Duncan
Clyde
Barkley
Dirk
Elvin Hayes
Moses Malone
Tmac
Yao
Calvin Murphy

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Do you know there are teams outside of Houston?

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He included Dirk.

And no one else

No one else was worthy.

If we are going by whole careers than then Dirk is definitely better than Tim Duncan. If we are going by their primes then there could be some debate

I thought the Nowitzki fans gave up on this one a long time ago, and that's a terrible attempt at an argument. If you look at their achievements, Duncan has racked up a LOT more awards.

Nowitzki
1 MVP
1 Finals MVP
11 all-star games
12 all-NBA nods (4 first team)
0 all-NBA defense (0 first team)
Regular season: 23 points, 8 rebounds, 2.6 assists, .9 bpg, and .9 spg
Playoffs: 27 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.6 apg, .9 bpg, 1.1 spg
1 Ring


Duncan
2 MVPs
3 Finals MVPs
14 all-star games
14 all-NBA nods (10 first team)
14 all-NBA defense (8 first team)
Regular season: 20 points, 11 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.2 bpg, and .7 spg
Playoffs: 22 ppg, 12 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.4 bpg, .7 spg
4 Rings


The only way you could try to argue that Nowitzki is better is to go for the "higher peak" argument with the 2011 title run where Nowitzki put up 28 points, 8 rebounds, 2.5 assists, and .6 blocks. If you do that though, Duncan comes back with either the 2003 title run (25-15-5.3 with 3.3 blocks) or the 2002 playoffs where Duncan went home without a ring but posted 28 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, and 4.3 blocks.

Of course, all it takes to completely shut down this argument is to point out that basketball is played on both ends of the court. Nowitzki did manage about 3-5 more ppg, but he spent most of his career as a defensive liability and has never been more than average on defense; as a result, he never made an all-defensive team. Meanwhile, Duncan just landed his 14th appearance on the all-defensive team. There would have to be an immense disparity in their offensive performance to match that difference on defense, and 3-5 points just isn't enough.

Agree that Duncan > Dirk but I like that you posted the stats that matter: playoffs. People seem to forget Dirk averages 10+ rpg in the playoffs

Im a huge mavs fan and cant stand the spurs...that being said

Duncan>Dirk

It's basically impossible to argue any other way. If things went differently in 2003 and 2006 then it might be a different conversation but they didn't and it is what it is.

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If we are going by whole careers than then Dirk is definitely better than Tim Duncan. If we are going by their primes then there could be some debate

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You should be banned from this board for this opinion. I love dirk. I think he's a top 25 ever. He's not in the same class as Duncan. Career or peak. Sorry

Well, from a completely unbiased perspective, I'm going to have to go with Duncan above Hakeem... But let's be honest Spurs and Rockets fans (if we can agree on anything)... We are much better than the German and his wanna be Yankee Country team up north.

My top 10:
1) Duncan
2) Hakeem
3) Moses
4) Barkley
5) The Admiral
6) The German
7) Ice
8) Clyde
9) Kidd
10) Nash (since his best years were in AZ)
11) Big Shot Rob

Wow, I like how one guy (possibly a troll) posts one throwaway line about dirk being the best, and we get people coming to the rescue. I hope y'all don't think everyone in Dallas believes DIrk's better than Duncan. Please rest easy, friends.