Soup has always thought way too highly of his basketball knowledge.

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Mav fan Keith's reaction:

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You are only going to hear the pros of Jefferson and hte cons of Chandler on here.

Neither of these guys will put the Mavs in the Finals.

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Mav fan Judge's reaction:

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It's just not that great. It's not the home run we had hoped for.

I would have liked Al Jefferson. Bring Haywood off the bench and slide Big Al to the 4 while Dirk rests.

Oh well. As keith said, neither Al nor Tyson was/is going to make us a contender

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Spurs fan MassAg:

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Personally I think Chandler is quite an upgrade from Damp, if he can stay healthy.

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Mavs fan Keith in response to MassAg:

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I agree, but if you are paying that much money, you would like to get a low post presence on both sides of the ball.

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Mavs fan FunkyTime didn't even think Chandler would be a starter over Haywood:

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Starters
Haywood
Dirk
Marion
Butler
Kidd

Bench
Chandler
Harrington
Terry
Beaubois
Barea

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Yeah, I seem REALLY off base here:

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As stated, they aren't comparisons. They are examples. Rarely if ever does any team win without a strong paint presence.

The obvious outlier is the Bulls, however, Jordan got all his points by slashing or posting up. They always did good in the paint, and obviously had serviceable players that played in the paint. (Grant was an all-star, wasn't he?)

Besides being a poor-man's Bird, who does Dirk really compare to? Ever in NBA history?

There is one thing that Dallas has lacked every single year of the past decade when they have been a playoff team. That is a player that can grind out the tough points in the paint. Year after year, they have been frustrated in the playoffs when the refs let more things go and they revert to jump shooting and it kills them.

Maybe Cuban thinks he can trade Chandler before the deadline.

Maybe Cuban knows (not maybe, he does) more about the lockout and the future restrictions.

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I don't see a problem with this:

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What is harder to guard? Jefferson/Dirk or Chandler/Dirk? Haywood/Dirk?

You can let Haywood or Chandler alone to double away. Or you can play zone to keep Dallas from hurting your with their 12 SFs. But you have to man up on Jefferson.

No one is worried about 6/6 Chandler or 9/9 Haywood, but you can believe people are planning around a 20/11 Jefferson kicking out to Dirk or to a slashing Kidd, Terry or Butler.

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Chandler did better than ANYONE thought. Before or since he never had the leadership fire he did with the Mavs in 11.

All this seems fairly spot on, even in retrospect:

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Exactly. You have to make them work.

When Kobe played the Spurs, he always worked on offense, and sat and relaxed on D, because Bowen sat in the corner.

Same thing with Hakeem in 95. Robinson had to work on offense through the double teams, then had to single-cover Hakeem on defense. No one could have done that. Hakeem let Chucky Brown take the D and relaxed on Rodman, then brought the double team if it came to his side.

If you make those other posts work on both ends of the court, you can wear them out.

That and the fact that the refs don't respect jump shooting and wont give you the same calls for it in the post season as they do in the regular season. They reward posting up and driving the lane. Two things Dallas hasn't done exceptionally well. Especially when things get tough.

You need to be able to draw fouls and get hard baskets. It will never happen when you rely on your midrange game and your threes.


This isn't a bad move by any means. It just isn't near the hit that Al Jefferson would be. He filled a long-standing need of the Mavs, but they didn't do it because they wanted to save the cap space.

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Looks like I was partially wrong here. Mavs didn't land anyone big in the subsequent free agency extravaganzas.

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This is a move designed to prop the window open while they try to make another deal next year or land a big name FA. Guess what? You aren't getting Parker or Melo.

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Put an * on guys that are man enough to pound the paint to get the tough points rather than shooting fadeaways? Ok.

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And the bitter idiocy finally pulls through

guitarsoup has never liked dirk. up until a few years ago, guitar used to call him hockey game nowtizki for only playing three quarters and implying that dirk dosent show up for the fourth quarter.

Dirk earned my respect. He's a great player and had several memorable playoff runs.