Kobe Bryant killed in Helicopter crash

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The only good thing about any of this is Roy Hibbert getting roasted by Twitter for a game he played in four years ago.
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I want to apologize for my posts Sunday.

In being critical of the Mavs knee jerk reaction I made my own knee jerk reaction. Wasn't the time or place for it, and I was wrong to call it virtue signaling

It was a heart felt gesture regardless of the wisdom of the number retirement

I am sorry for anyone I made angry on what was a very sorrowful day for so many.
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Not sure what to make about LeBron saying Kobe's legacy is his responsibility.

Kobe's legacy is already solidified and set in stone as one of the greats.
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Irish_Man said:

Not sure what to make about LeBron saying Kobe's legacy is his responsibility.

Kobe's legacy is already solidified and set in stone as one of the greats.
Meh, did you read the tweet? He was talking about the winning legacy of the Lakers. I am definitely in the Lebron hater camp, but there is nothing to see here.
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Irish_Man said:

Not sure what to make about LeBron saying Kobe's legacy is his responsibility.

Kobe's legacy is already solidified and set in stone as one of the greats.
What? I didn't get that from his post at all. I thought he was talking about putting the Lakers on his back
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Yeah and espn ran with the headline of LeBron says Kobe's legacy is his responsibility. It's still on there, saw the tweet and just assumed there was more said based on the headline.

https://es.pn/3aMOT7d

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Maybe this has been covered but did the copter hit a mountain to cause the crash? And if so does a helicopter not have radar to detect that? Never been on one before
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Only Lebron could find a way to make this about himself.
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I think y'all are reading way too much into his words. He is simply saying he has to carry the Lakers like Kobe did 10 years ago. Probably not the best worded post, but I see no malicious intent.
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I agree. I don't think it was intentional. With that said, Lebron is pretty aloof when it comes to these kind of things.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7934407/Helicopter-crashed-killing-Kobe-8-circled-15-minutes-Burbank.html
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texag06ish said:

Only Lebron could find a way to make this about himself.


LeBron had literally just spoken on the phone with Kobe on Sunday morning a couple of hours before he died, Kobe wanting to congratulate him for passing his scoring record, and Kobe himself told LeBron that he was carrying on the legacy. And LeBron is right there in Los Angeles playing for the Lakers organization and a city that is experiencing tremendous grief. LeBron himself frequently flies around in a helicopter for his teenage kid Basketball games. They postponed the Lakers-Clippers game tonight because of all that is going on.

How about we cut people who were deeply affected by this, like LeBron, some slack instead of being judgmental on a message board.
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Fair enough.
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Hadnt seen that. Thanks for posting
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the VASAviation YouTube channel has two videos up that overlay the flight path and ATC communications, and he did another where he kind of explains what everything means.
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Having read the reports thus far, though the investigation final report will probably take months to come out, it looks likely there was nothing physically wrong with the aircraft. That most likely the pilot became spatially disoriented flying in some poor visibility. Saw an interview with another chopper pilot who said that it can be a challenge for a pilot to objectively decide when to proceed or not proceed, to make sure they are not taking on undue risk from pressure (real or self imposed) to 'complete the mission' and get an important client on time to their destination.
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The report said it was traveling around 185mph horizontally and descending at 4000 ft per min at the time of impact.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I grew up as a Spurs fan. So naturally, I hated Kobe.

I talked **** about him all the time. Said he'd never be Jordan. Said he was no Duncan. Etc.

The older I've gotten, the bigger my respect for him has grown, both as a player and as a person.

The respect he's shown to the Spurs organization (and that the Spurs have shown back to him) says it all really. Truly one of the best competitors in the game. We were lucky to have seen him play. (And as a Spurs fan, I was lucky to have seen the great Spurs vs Lakers rivalry of the 00's. One of the best in all of sports.)



I think watching these guys leave the game and seeing the respect they pay each other has helped put a lot of this in perspective for me as a fan. Age has mellowed me, but more than that, watching organizations and great rivals celebrate Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, Wade, etc as they exit the arena has helped me realize I spent a lot of time disliking guys instead of appreciating what they could do. I don't make that mistake anymore.
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there is no way anybody could have survived that
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MyNameIsKyle said:

Pumpkinhead said:

Having read the reports thus far, though the investigation final report will probably take months to come out, it looks likely there was nothing physically wrong with the aircraft. That most likely the pilot became spatially disoriented flying in some poor visibility. Saw an interview with another chopper pilot who said that it can be a challenge for a pilot to objectively decide when to proceed or not proceed, to make sure they are not taking on undue risk from pressure (real or self imposed) to 'complete the mission' and get an important client on time to their destination.
I don't know, from eyewitness reports of strange mechanical sounds to the drastic downward turn, I keep coming back to mechanical failure vs human error. I recognize fog can disorient, but the pilot still had use of an altimeter, speedometer, and gyroscope which should have precluded what appeared to be a sharp descent into the hillside.
I was in SoCal this past weekend near Calabassas. The fog was pretty bad in areas especially in canyon runs. It was so thick early Sunday morning in some spots while we were driving that we couldn't see past a few feet in front of us. I wouldn't of taken a helicopter ride in it personally. If this pilot was trying to get below or above the layer and lost focus/became disoriented for a sec or two, that's all it took.
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Our HEMS pilots don't even fly in that kind of weather for people with time-sensitive life threatening emergencies. I wish we knew the thought process of the pilot for why he thought it appropriate to fly that morning on a completely unnecessary flight.
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suicidal ?
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felt like lord of the rings was about to go into battle there
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MyNameIsKyle said:

Agree, and I've lived in the Bay Area so I'm familiar with exceptional fog. Maybe this uncovers my ignorance, but is a 4000ft/min descending maneuver common when you already know your altitude isn't high, low visibility, and the terrain is filled with peaks and valleys? It just seems to defy my belief that a veteran pilot could so misjudge the equation of weather and altitude, given the information at hand.

https://www.britannica.com/science/spatial-disorientation

That's why. You get up there, lose understanding of what your orientation is, start panicking and end up doing something that causes the helicopter to stall/crash. It's likely that he had no idea that he was traveling downward that quickly if he even had control of the helicopter at that point.

Unlikely he was suicidal, just shouldn't have been flying.
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hph6203 said:

MyNameIsKyle said:

Agree, and I've lived in the Bay Area so I'm familiar with exceptional fog. Maybe this uncovers my ignorance, but is a 4000ft/min descending maneuver common when you already know your altitude isn't high, low visibility, and the terrain is filled with peaks and valleys? It just seems to defy my belief that a veteran pilot could so misjudge the equation of weather and altitude, given the information at hand.

https://www.britannica.com/science/spatial-disorientation

That's why. You get up there, lose understanding of what your orientation is, start panicking and end up doing something that causes the helicopter to stall/crash. It's likely that he had no idea that he was traveling downward that quickly if he even had control of the helicopter at that point.

Unlikely he was suicidal, just shouldn't have been flying.
I'm not 1/100000th of an expert on flying but I think you're spot on.

I equate it to skiing/snowboarding and all of a sudden, a blizzard white out happens. You can't see anything in front of you and you lose your sense of space/direction/orientation. You can be a rockstar on the mountain but it's easy to take a header in conditions like that, especially if you are moving with speed.

Edit added: As we reported, the Sikorsky S-76 was at about 1,700 feet when it crashed. Flight tracker data also shows the chopper's speed was about 161 knots. Several experienced pilots tell us they're baffled the pilot, Ara Zoboyan, was going that fast in heavy fog.

In the seconds prior to crashing, Zobayan took the helicopter from 1200 feet to 2000 feet within a matter of seconds. It appears he cleared one hillside, only to strike the next.



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Google Flight path for Bryant's plane. You should be able to find the air traffic control communications and flight pattern. It's interesting.

The circling that his helicopter did was to allow another aircraft in the air space to pass. People had thought it was in distress..

Also had an option to land in Van Nuys
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I'm not either, and I shouldn't have been definitive about it, but it makes sense to me.
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This one.
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Have one child, a daughter going on 6. Nothing but tears.
 
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