Iowaggie said:
Need defensive perimeter help and is available via free agency?
There is a free agent that rhymes with Villain Books that is available and may be discounted.
shack009 said:Iowaggie said:
Need defensive perimeter help and is available via free agency?
There is a free agent that rhymes with Villain Books that is available and may be discounted.
Absolutely not. Dude thinks he's an all star level offensive player and he wants the ball all the time. Shot under 33% from 3 this year and less than 36% on catch and shoot 3s. Less than 50% TS% and less than 47% effective FG%.
He'll also want like $25 mil a year and a terrible team will give it to him. Dude is a losing player.
care to copy and paste for us poors?Guitarsoup said:
https://theathletic.com/4474477/2023/05/01/kyrie-irving-dallas-mavericks-free-agency?source=user-shared-article
thanks!Guitarsoup said:
Kyrie attending Lakers game isn't a big deal
Problems started with how the Mavs handled Branson
Brunsons camp was asking what Mavs would pay prior to FA opening and Mavs said they would bring everything together in a presentation. Brunsons camp didn't give the Mavs a chance to present or match and just walked.
Mavs have no real assets outside TJH, Hardy, Green. FA could be a big kick in the nuts
A team will give him way more than his actual worth. He's actually worth less to the Mavs because the Mavs already have guys that need the ball. The Mavs need off-ball shooting and Brooks is not that.Guitarsoup said:shack009 said:Iowaggie said:
Need defensive perimeter help and is available via free agency?
There is a free agent that rhymes with Villain Books that is available and may be discounted.
Absolutely not. Dude thinks he's an all star level offensive player and he wants the ball all the time. Shot under 33% from 3 this year and less than 36% on catch and shoot 3s. Less than 50% TS% and less than 47% effective FG%.
He'll also want like $25 mil a year and a terrible team will give it to him. Dude is a losing player.
No one is giving him remotely that much, especially after his antics with LeBron, then getting wiped in the first round and running away with this tail between his legs.
He may actually come cheap. Memphis tried to dump him as an ending contract plus 3 firsts for OG Anunuby and Toronto said no. Pretty sure Memphis is moving on
I don't think any team gives Brooks the MLE after this season.shack009 said:A team will give him way more than his actual worth. He's actually worth less to the Mavs because the Mavs already have guys that need the ball. The Mavs need off-ball shooting and Brooks is not that.Guitarsoup said:shack009 said:Iowaggie said:
Need defensive perimeter help and is available via free agency?
There is a free agent that rhymes with Villain Books that is available and may be discounted.
Absolutely not. Dude thinks he's an all star level offensive player and he wants the ball all the time. Shot under 33% from 3 this year and less than 36% on catch and shoot 3s. Less than 50% TS% and less than 47% effective FG%.
He'll also want like $25 mil a year and a terrible team will give it to him. Dude is a losing player.
No one is giving him remotely that much, especially after his antics with LeBron, then getting wiped in the first round and running away with this tail between his legs.
He may actually come cheap. Memphis tried to dump him as an ending contract plus 3 firsts for OG Anunuby and Toronto said no. Pretty sure Memphis is moving on
Hard pass. Let him be overrated somewhere else.
I don' think he's worth the MLE, but players always get overpaid in FA. He will get paid to be a "butts in seats" and "eyes on TV" guy and will help Portland win 35 games next year.Guitarsoup said:I don't think any team gives Brooks the MLE after this season.shack009 said:A team will give him way more than his actual worth. He's actually worth less to the Mavs because the Mavs already have guys that need the ball. The Mavs need off-ball shooting and Brooks is not that.Guitarsoup said:shack009 said:Iowaggie said:
Need defensive perimeter help and is available via free agency?
There is a free agent that rhymes with Villain Books that is available and may be discounted.
Absolutely not. Dude thinks he's an all star level offensive player and he wants the ball all the time. Shot under 33% from 3 this year and less than 36% on catch and shoot 3s. Less than 50% TS% and less than 47% effective FG%.
He'll also want like $25 mil a year and a terrible team will give it to him. Dude is a losing player.
No one is giving him remotely that much, especially after his antics with LeBron, then getting wiped in the first round and running away with this tail between his legs.
He may actually come cheap. Memphis tried to dump him as an ending contract plus 3 firsts for OG Anunuby and Toronto said no. Pretty sure Memphis is moving on
Hard pass. Let him be overrated somewhere else.
From that The Athletic articleQuote:
Dallas' offseason priorities, Harrison said at his exit interview, is to add players who can defend and rebound. Two of the team's underwhelming big man rotation, Wood and Dwight Powell, are out of contract and Wood, team sources say, is, unsurprisingly, not expected to be back. Maxi Kleber and McGee both showed age-related decline, although Dallas hopes that Kleber, 31, can bounce back with a full offseason to recover from midseason hamstring surgery.
shack009 said:I don' think he's worth the MLE, but players always get overpaid in FA. He will get paid to be a "butts in seats" and "eyes on TV" guy and will help Portland win 35 games next year.Guitarsoup said:I don't think any team gives Brooks the MLE after this season.shack009 said:A team will give him way more than his actual worth. He's actually worth less to the Mavs because the Mavs already have guys that need the ball. The Mavs need off-ball shooting and Brooks is not that.Guitarsoup said:shack009 said:Iowaggie said:
Need defensive perimeter help and is available via free agency?
There is a free agent that rhymes with Villain Books that is available and may be discounted.
Absolutely not. Dude thinks he's an all star level offensive player and he wants the ball all the time. Shot under 33% from 3 this year and less than 36% on catch and shoot 3s. Less than 50% TS% and less than 47% effective FG%.
He'll also want like $25 mil a year and a terrible team will give it to him. Dude is a losing player.
No one is giving him remotely that much, especially after his antics with LeBron, then getting wiped in the first round and running away with this tail between his legs.
He may actually come cheap. Memphis tried to dump him as an ending contract plus 3 firsts for OG Anunuby and Toronto said no. Pretty sure Memphis is moving on
Hard pass. Let him be overrated somewhere else.
Our roster is so deplete of talent that Brooks would actually be a substantial upgrade. Like, he's annoying AF and dirty and completely braindead when it comes to in-game feel...but he would be the 4th(?) best player on our team next season (assuming we keep Kyrie). If his value is tanked to the point of a TPMLE price tag, I'm not sure who on the market is better.NoahAg said:
*Ignore post; didn't realize had already been discussed*
We don't want Dillon Brooks, do we?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/36981568/grizzlies-intend-re-sign-dillon-brooks-sources-say
On one hand we really need a good 3 and D guy. On the other, his comments indicate he wants a bigger role than that. Would be nice to have, I don't know, Dorian Finney-Smith.
ugh, I wish the playoffs would end already and we could get to the draft.
The TPMLE is only expected to be like $6m. I think even the most ardent Brooks hater would pay at least that for a 27yr old wing defender.Guitarsoup said:
I think his value has tanked significantly under mle.
I'd give him $1 million as a flyer. We would need to be able to cut him very easily.M.C. Swag said:The TPMLE is only expected to be like $6m. I think even the most ardent Brooks hater would pay at least that for a 27yr old wing defender.Guitarsoup said:
I think his value has tanked significantly under mle.
FIFY. Is his defense enough to overcome the 8 terrible shots he will take every game and his 33% 3 point percentage? Not to mention he will be yelling at Luka for not passing him the ball by the third game.M.C. Swag said:
And we got roasted on defense by about every team in the league, including embarrassing Ls to the Hornets B-team. Our roster is so bad we can't turn our nose up at anyone.
Brooks would make us better defensively.
M.C. Swag said:The TPMLE is only expected to be like $6m. I think even the most ardent Brooks hater would pay at least that for a 27yr old wing defender.Guitarsoup said:
I think his value has tanked significantly under mle.
zgolfz85 said:
I was surprised by the bluntness of the messaging coming out of Memphis regarding Brooks. It makes me think his **** talking wasn't limited to opposing players and maybe in his own locker room
Guitarsoup said:M.C. Swag said:The TPMLE is only expected to be like $6m. I think even the most ardent Brooks hater would pay at least that for a 27yr old wing defender.Guitarsoup said:
I think his value has tanked significantly under mle.
Maybe. Sarcomas call him a cancer. When his own team tells him to **** off, it's clear that a lot of teams won't touch him.
He's definitely a good defender that can help multiple positions, but he also takes like 15% of your shots and is beyond awful offensively.
I don't think any contenders will give him a run when Thybulle and McDaniels are out there
Guitarsoup said:
More like a cancer to success. His loudmouth and antics clearly hindered the Grizzlies. The man has played 350 games there and they are letting their starting SF walk. That isn't normal.
M.C. Swag said:
Lol also Thybulle has literally no offensive bag. He can't dribble, pass or shoot.
Brooks needs to learn how to play within an offense, but he has the capability to score. He just tried to hero ball and had poor shot selection. And a lot of that has to do with the Grizzlies offense in general. They're one of the worst half court offenses in the league, so alot of their stuff was ugly as a whole. Put him next to Luka and he may thrive.
M.C. Swag said:Guitarsoup said:
More like a cancer to success. His loudmouth and antics clearly hindered the Grizzlies. The man has played 350 games there and they are letting their starting SF walk. That isn't normal.
They were the 2 seed and that's despite a litany of injures/suspensions to key players throughout the season.
The relationship just soured and Morants extension is about to kick in. The Grizzlies were never gonna extend Brooks if he's aiming for the $20-$25m price range. Same reason they let Kyle Anderson walk last off season. They're navigating a tight rope of Salary Cap management with Morant, Bane and JJJ's deals kicking in almost simultaneously.
M.C. Swag said:Guitarsoup said:
More like a cancer to success. His loudmouth and antics clearly hindered the Grizzlies. The man has played 350 games there and they are letting their starting SF walk. That isn't normal.
They were the 2 seed and that's despite a litany of injures/suspensions to key players throughout the season.
The relationship just soured and Morants extension is about to kick in. The Grizzlies were never gonna extend Brooks if he's aiming for the $20-$25m price range. Same reason they let Kyle Anderson walk last off season. They're navigating a tight rope of Salary Cap management with Morant, Bane and JJJ's deals kicking in almost simultaneously.
Iowaggie said:M.C. Swag said:Guitarsoup said:
More like a cancer to success. His loudmouth and antics clearly hindered the Grizzlies. The man has played 350 games there and they are letting their starting SF walk. That isn't normal.
They were the 2 seed and that's despite a litany of injures/suspensions to key players throughout the season.
The relationship just soured and Morants extension is about to kick in. The Grizzlies were never gonna extend Brooks if he's aiming for the $20-$25m price range. Same reason they let Kyle Anderson walk last off season. They're navigating a tight rope of Salary Cap management with Morant, Bane and JJJ's deals kicking in almost simultaneously.
The Grizzlies were going to extend him, and early in the season talks just ended. Another aspect on all this is that Shams breaking the story and stating "under any circumstances" has been assumed to be a Grizzlies source, but now people think that is a Brooks agent source because Shams tends to get his info from agents (I have no support for this).
I think his teammates liked him because he always plays hard and will not come in to camp out of shape, but what Brooks gives you is someone that is willing to guard SGA or Trae one night, and KAT or LeBron the next, and he does it relatively well. But he's not a good shooter. He has irrational confidence in his offensive abilities, seeing himself as a top 3 option, when he should be #5. If Dallas signed him and Kyrie, he'd proclaim a new big 3 in Dallas.
I think part of his problem was he was the bridge between the end of Gasol & Conley era to now. He was the big brother who was out grown by Desmond Bane and the others, and couldn't handle the diminished role.
If a playoff level team can get him on a 1+1(club option), I think it is a good signing.
shack009 said:M.C. Swag said:
Lol also Thybulle has literally no offensive bag. He can't dribble, pass or shoot.
Brooks needs to learn how to play within an offense, but he has the capability to score. He just tried to hero ball and had poor shot selection. And a lot of that has to do with the Grizzlies offense in general. They're one of the worst half court offenses in the league, so alot of their stuff was ugly as a whole. Put him next to Luka and he may thrive.
Yeah no thanks on Thybulle.
Brooks' problem is that he'll never accept a role as a 3&D guy. Theoretically, he should be taking 8 shots a game which would be open 3s or layups attacking close outs. But he wants to run the offense and shoot 15 times a game. He also shoots the 3 very poorly.
He'd be a terrible fit on the Mavs and really any contending team.
Guitarsoup said:M.C. Swag said:Guitarsoup said:
More like a cancer to success. His loudmouth and antics clearly hindered the Grizzlies. The man has played 350 games there and they are letting their starting SF walk. That isn't normal.
They were the 2 seed and that's despite a litany of injures/suspensions to key players throughout the season.
The relationship just soured and Morants extension is about to kick in. The Grizzlies were never gonna extend Brooks if he's aiming for the $20-$25m price range. Same reason they let Kyle Anderson walk last off season. They're navigating a tight rope of Salary Cap management with Morant, Bane and JJJ's deals kicking in almost simultaneously.
Except Shams didn't say "we aren't taking you back at 20" he said "**** off, we don't want you back no matter what"
M.C. Swag said:Guitarsoup said:
More like a cancer to success. His loudmouth and antics clearly hindered the Grizzlies. The man has played 350 games there and they are letting their starting SF walk. That isn't normal.
They were the 2 seed and that's despite a litany of injures/suspensions to key players throughout the season.
The relationship just soured and Morants extension is about to kick in. The Grizzlies were never gonna extend Brooks if he's aiming for the $20-$25m price range. Same reason they let Kyle Anderson walk last off season. They're navigating a tight rope of Salary Cap management with Morant, Bane and JJJ's deals kicking in almost simultaneously.
Ramona Shelburne just said Dillon Brooks wants $25 million/year and that is why the Grizzlies are parting ways with him
— Cody Mallory (@RealCodyMallory) May 2, 2023
"I like him in Dallas with Kyrie Irving and Luka."
— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) May 3, 2023
Chandler Parsons with a hot take on where Dillon Brooks would look good 🗣
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