***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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F the roster spot nonsense make some trades, cuts, and go get a high second round pick. Plenty of rotation guys available
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I totally missed that we traded 38 to Indiana.

Still doesn't change my feelings on targeting a 1st round talent like Fleming if someone else wants to sell off a 2nd round pick.
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We had a great first round but trading a high second rounder before you even see how things shake out on the first night is dumb.

Everyone after our top four is replaceable. For RC to say hey we got 12 guys already is just lazy.
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Nah. We have like 17 future seconds. If we want to move up and get someone, we can easily do that. Charlotte has 33 and 34.

I don't think the Spurs ever want to bring in 3 rookies.

Next year we own:

1st: Spurs or Hawks (best)
2nd: Jazz
2nd: Pelicans
2nd: Pacers
2nd: Thunder

We are obviously moving some of those seconds. If we have a guy we want in the early 2nd round, someone would give us a pick for the Jazz or Pelicans picks.
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FTAG 2000 said:

We had a great first round but trading a high second rounder before you even see how things shake out on the first night is dumb.

Everyone after our top four is replaceable. For RC to say hey we got 12 guys already is just lazy.

Obviously if these guys have dropped this far, there is a reason. And 2nd rounders almost never pan out.
Our front office has shown that they know what they are doing. One thing that was obvious tonight is that isn't true for every team.
RC has put together 5 championship teams. I think I will trust him.
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A+ draft from us. Still can't believe Carter fell to us and obviously Wright felt the same way with how fast we submitted the pick. Shuttling off our second rounder for a far future second was good asset management too, just great work all around.
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Now for FA and summer league. I would not be surprised if we make a trade as well. It feels like this team is getting built out well around Victor. Now let's go out and have a better season than the hawks.
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I am super excited about Carter Bryant and the Spurs draft but I will say that Cedric Coward looked like a stud at the draft. His two extra years of maturity showed both physically and emotionally. He spoke more confidently than anyone during his interview. I hate that he went to the Grizzlies because I have become a fan of this kid.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Now for FA and summer league. I would not be surprised if we make a trade as well. It feels like this team is getting built out well around Victor. Now let's go out and have a better season than the hawks.

Yeah, I am looking forward to both. I need a Spurs basketball fix.
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At least our guys are happy to come to SA
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Losing the draft: New Orleans
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Joe Dumars really screwed up in NOLA.


Trades CJ McCollum and Kelly Olynyk for Jordan Poole and Saddiq Bey
Trades for Pacers 23rd pick by giving them back their 2026 1st three days before Hali tears his achilles.

Uses that 23rd pick and adds the unprotected NOLA 2026 1st to move from 23 to 13 to draft Derik Queen - a center with weight and motivation issues that doesn't play defense to join Zion Williamson in New Orleans. Pelicans have been a lottery team for 5 of the last 7 seasons and their 2nd highest paid player has a torn achilles in DJM.

I like a lot of what is happening with their roster, especially with the Fears pick, but trading your own unprotected 1st next year when you have a key player out for the season and the Indiana 1st for next year to get a guy with motivation issues that plays the same position as your best player in the late lottery is absolute dumpster fire.
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FWIW Brad Stephens said that brining back Kornet and Horford is their priority.
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Enzo The Baker said:

FWIW Brad Stephens said that brining back Kornet and Horford is their priority.
They will have to cut way more salary to do it and stay under the 2nd apron. They only have 4.5M in space under the 2nd apron right now. Kornet's value is at least double that. And the spurs could give him a declining contract to make it that much harder on Boston.

Also Kornet is from Dallas, his wife is from The Woodlands. Spurs probably look better as an organization going forward right now than Boston, who is selling off all their assets to cut salary.
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Curious what it would take to get John Collins from Utah. I'd be interested in that if the price isn't too high and you could extend him on a reasonable figure.
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Guitarsoup said:

The Ringer:

SCOUTING REPORT BY Danny Chau

The rest of Bryant's game is far less volatile. He's mostly a play finisher on offense, spotting up from 3 or scoring at the rim. The shooting indicators are legitimate: Bryant shot nearly 40 percent from 3 in Big 12 conference play and has shown promise from deep dating back to his high school stats. While flashes of self-creation have been practically nonexistent, Bryant finds ways to impact the offense. He's a shrewd off-ball mover with a deep understanding of when to cut into daylight; he's a smart passer, trusted to make the right read when the ball finds him. At this stage in his offensive development, he's mostly a human fiber supplement (that's a compliment).
It will be hard for teams to pass up Bryant's baseline skill set. He offers the full vision of a versatile role player without major compromises in size, shooting ability, or defensive acumen. The lack of meaningful on-ball reps could cap Bryant's ceiling at the next level, but honest-to-goodness 3-and-D starters are hard to come by. Carter has all the tools to be next in line.
When the "downside" of your guy is that he might not become a #1-3 on ball option as his worst case scenario, I'll take that in the mid first round every time.

You can't build a roster if everybody needs the ball, and you can't pay everybody who plays that way. High level 3 and D is a great "consolation" prize.
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I'm still a hard pass on him because I think he is a negative BBIQ guy that puts up empty numbers on bad teams.

He put up 19/8 on 52/40 shooting last year, and it looks great in a box score, but he opted into his 1y26M player option because no one would pay him that much. Plus he misses a lot of games. Averaging 59 games/year for his career.

I would bet they would trade Vassell for him now that they are stuck with Lauri and Ace at forward and have Clayton now at PG. Kessler/Lauri/Ace/Devin/Clayton actually makes some sense. Even though the fit makes sense for us, I wouldn't do that deal.
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Missed this yesterday. Super excited for both of our picks.
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I was hoping for a flashier suit last night.

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Yeah you're probably right. Barnes is really one of the only veterans and guys on the team that really knows how to play team basketball. You probably want him to stay integrated with this group at least another season.

I just think the Spurs need more than a Kornet/Looney/Yabusele down low. Wemby has told the FO that he wants to play less 5 so just trying to think outside the box on who else could realistically be had that is of legitimate starting caliber. Brook Lopez is probably the easy answer here but not sure there's reciprocal interest.
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I have a feeling we move Vassell before the season.
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Enzo The Baker said:

I have a feeling we move Vassell before the season.
Atleast 1 of Keldon or Vassell is on the move. Possibly both if there's a chance to get a legitimate big in return. However, whoever the trade partner is they will likely covet Barnes due to his favorable expiring deal.
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Kornet played a lot with Kristaps and Hortford, so I think his fit with Wemby will be great. Can protect the paint with Wemby out or go double big.

We will still need to upgrade PF. I still like Sochan on the team, but think that unless his shot gets consistent from somewhere and he can hit at least 35%, he probably won't be more than a backup 25mpg forward

But if Bryant becomes what I think he can as a 38-42% spot up shooter with very high level defense, there is no reason you can't play Bryant+Sochan, but the Castle+Sochan on floor fit is the toughest thing to work out.

Wemby+Sochan+Bryant+Harper+Fox would be great. But we really need Castle+Sochan to get respectable from three.

I would still probably do a Keldon+Barnes for MPJ+Saric trade.

I also don't think Wemby has necessarily said he wants to play less down low. He's the best rim protector in the league and might become the best rim protector ever. I don't think he wants to work in the post, but I don't think we necessarily need him to do it a lot - he obviously put up 9 threes a game last year.

We need a big body PF that can rebound, body up and space the floor. I hate him, but a guy like KAT actually makes the most sense. Obviously not happening. But he bodies up, he rebounds, he shoots threes.

It's why I was so high on Fleming - he has the massive wingspan, weighs in at 235 and shoots threes. His BBIQ must be single digits for teams to not take him in the first round.

I think Yabusele will work some because he does have the big body and the shot. He and Wemby worked together really well. And I have always been high on Goga from Orlando. Orlando has a cap crunch and they already have Wendell and MoWagner.
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Enzo The Baker said:

I have a feeling we move Vassell before the season.
I actually don't think we make a major move and we run it back mostly unless something dumb shows up that we can't say no to.

I think we let Vassell rehab his image with a healthy year with multiple playmakers feeding him open looks.

Bryant is at least quick enough to play down at SG. I think he is going to be a guy we can play 2-4 depending on matchups. He's 6'8 in shoes, 215lbs and 7' wingspan.

Gonna give a lot of matchup problems in the future with (in shoes) 6'6 Dylan Harper at PG, 6'7 Castle at SG, and 6'8 Carter Bryant at SF.

We just need that PF.
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Yeah I like both Yabusele and Kornet. Just don't really view them as 25+mpg guys. There has been rumblings that Wemby wants to play less at the 5 and wants more help down low so I'm just working on the premise that Barnes is out of the starting lineup and coming off the bench in this scenario.

I honestly didn't realize that Yabusele averaged over 27 mpg last season. That could just be where they go with this.
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What was the best pick of the night?

Pelton: Carter Bryant to the Spurs at No. 14. Having spent most of his lone season at Arizona coming off the bench, he might not help the Spurs immediately. But down the road Bryant has the kind of 3-and-D skill set that should ideally fit alongside San Antonio's core of Victor Wembanyama, De'Aaron Fox, NBA Rookie of the Year Stephon Castle and No. 2 pick Dylan Harper.

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The Kings traded the Spurs 2027 1st to OKC for the 24th pick, which they used on Nique Clifford. I think that was a good move for Sacramento.
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Well if the Spurs want Fleming, Kalkbrenner or Raynaud I feel like they could probably move back into the 2nd using Wesley, Branham, Future 2nds.
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Sher Thing said:

Yeah I like both Yabusele and Kornet. Just don't really view them as 25+mpg guys. There has been rumblings that Wemby wants to play less at the 5 and wants more help down low so I'm just working on the premise that Barnes is out of the starting lineup and coming off the bench in this scenario.

I honestly didn't realize that Yabusele averaged over 27 mpg last season. That could just be where they go with this.
Yeah, Yabusele played a lot of minutes, but on a tanking team. I think Yabu and Kornet could both play 20mpg for us, though.

Dancing Bear's defense isn't very good, but he has a lot of strength and can shoot. He's a career 41% 3pt shooter in Europe and shot 48% in EuroLeague for RealMadrid (highest level in Europe) in 23-24.

https://craftednba.com/players/guerschon-yabusele

Kornet is just one of those lunch pail guys that does everything you want from the 20mpg backup. He actually shot threes decently early in his career. He shot 36% on 200 attempts his 2nd year for the Knicks. He shot a ton of threes at Vandy.

https://craftednba.com/players/luke-kornet

Then you add a vet FA like DeAndre Jordan, Thomas Bryant, even Biyumbo for bench depth. Hope to get Amari Williams as a two-way pickup.

Then I think we look to move Keldon/Devin and maybe Sochan for long term PF fit.
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Sher Thing said:

Well if the Spurs want Fleming, Kalkbrenner or Raynaud I feel like they could probably move back into the 2nd using Wesley, Branham, Future 2nds.
Yeah for sure. We have the Jazz and Pelicans seconds next year. We can easily get into the early 2nd to get Kalkbrenner or Raynaud.

I just don't think we will.
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Guitarsoup said:

The Kings traded the Spurs 2027 1st to OKC for the 24th pick, which they used on Nique Clifford. I think that was a good move for Sacramento.

Ooof. I don't like OKC having our pick. Feels like a display of dominance from Presti.
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