#DontDraftWhitePeople

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Jeff Passan

Scary Astros possibility: If Nix wins grievance to pay agreed-upon $1.5M, Houston 17% over bonus pool, would forfeit next two 1st-rd picks.

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Nix has filed a suit against the Astros based on their verbal agreement. If he wins the Astros will lose their next two first round picks.

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Read this on roto

He should file suit against Aiken.

He isn't going to win a lawsuit.

If he wanted to sign so badly, he could have taken slot value. Instead, he bargained for more. There was only one place to get more, and it didnt work out. Too bad kid.

Well we've already been declared the 2017 WS champions, so I think we're ok

What a spoiled, entitled little *****. If this world was fair, the court would laugh this little ***** out if the courtroom.

Don't y'all realize that the Astros offered him $1.5 and he accepted then Aiken fell apart and we pulled it. Kid has every right to be pissed. Astros probably win the grievance and it's no biggie but if we lose lunhow should be fired. You don't make that offer to nix until Aiken has dry ink on a contract

Good to see Singleton get an RBI.

Nix knows that offer was contingent on Aiken signing. There's not a chance in hell they offered Nix and forgot to mention that this is only if Aiken signs.

The kid shouldn't stand a chance in a grievance.



I am shocked at how much of an idiot that Aiken and his parents are. You can't tell me that the agent didn't want them to sign. Since they didn't, that means he just worked for over a year with those 2 kids and got $0 to show for it. It was obvious that the parents took this personal. Contract negotiations are ugly and you better check your emotion at the door. They missed out on their payday out of spite.

I am more fired up about having 1.2 next year. Next year's draft will be fun.

Dp

[This message has been edited by mm98 (edited 7/18/2014 9:11p).]

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=91c84f44-5e39-4f05-af14-5fe0f1808e42

Look half way down this...

I meant to post this earlier, but I expect we'll see some great baseball from the stros until we play the Red Sox again. Unfortunately, I'm betting we'll struggle until we play the rangers on Aug 28 after the Red Sox series

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Don't y'all realize that the Astros offered him $1.5 and he accepted then Aiken fell apart and we pulled it. Kid has every right to be pissed. Astros probably win the grievance and it's no biggie but if we lose lunhow should be fired. You don't make that offer to nix until Aiken has dry ink on a contract

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Yeah, we know the story.

Why do you think they had an agreement in place for weeks but he was never brought to houston to sign a contract? In the MLB, there's no contract until the ink is dry. There are no verbal contracts. There's no case here.

So if you were in his shoes you would just go on about your business and not care about the 1.5 mil that was offered to you? Why is everyone so defensive of the Astros front office like they can do no wrong? They alone backed themselves into this corner.

Definitely looks bad in the short term for Astros.

But Aiken taking an enormous financial gamble.

I don't fault Nix for trying, but sounds like a long shot



[This message has been edited by BMX Bandit (edited 7/19/2014 9:18a).]

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So if you were in his shoes you would just go on about your business and not care about the 1.5 mil that was offered to you? Why is everyone so defensive of the Astros front office like they can do no wrong? They alone backed themselves into this corner.

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Everyone agrees it sucks all around but the astros didn't do anything wrong.

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Why is everyone so defensive of the Astros front office like they can do no wrong? They alone backed themselves into this corner.

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I trust the "process." I've been on board with the re-build since the beginning. I wanted to get mad about this, but instead, I waited to see what the details were as we know them. Once I had my eyes on all of those, I cannot fault the Astros. Like I said, if you want to be mad at something, be mad at the MLBPA union, they are the reason that we don't have pre-draft physicals... the teams/owners wanted pre-draft physicals and tried to get them into the CBA but the players union took a hard line stance against it. Then, after this, the union wants to act like it wants to defend Aiken. THEY ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES IN SPORTS.


So... TL;DR


Blame the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the MLB Player's Union for taking a hard line stance against pre-draft physicals.



I cannot blame the Astros or Aiken that much for their decisions in this. Do I think Aiken made the wrong decision? Yes. But, it's a free country. Are the Astros bad guys? No. They are operating within the rules that they were given.


This quote for the SI Article popped into my head last night. It's from Sig Mejdal:

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Mejdal was an undergraduate at UC Davis, studying mechanical engineering and aeronautical engineering. During the summers he’d head 120 miles east, clip an oversized bow tie to his collar—“Looked like a dead cat around your neck,” he says—and sling cards at Tahoe’s seediest betting house. He loved the job. It was fun, it was social, and he learned things that he could not back in the lab at Davis. He learned that human beings do not always make decisions that serve their own long-term self-interest, even when they are equipped with a wealth of experience and knowledge of the mathematical probabilities that ought to guide their choices.

Blackjack is a probabilistic game. For any combination of cards, the player’s and the dealer’s, there is an optimal action for the player to take to increase his chances of winning—or, as is generally the case, of losing less. Sometimes the course of action is obvious: You hit a 10 no matter what the dealer is holding. Often, though, players know what they ought to do—but they do something else because their intuition has told them to. “Hitting a 16 against a dealer’s seven, it doesn’t feel right,” Mejdal says. “With a hundred-dollar bet, it feels even less right. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t right.

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Pallilo stated it well. We basically are trading Aiken and nix for next year's second pick(which we know nothing about right now).

I think $5 million is a pretty low ball offer for the first overall pick. Yes his elbow may be a ticking timebomb but that isn't for sure. Plus they gave Scott feldmen $30 million guaranteed.

Not signing draft picks is what got the Astros in a huge mess years ago. It may turn out to be the right decision however I think I would have found a way to sign both guys.

Hard to compare Feldman to Aiken. Feldman already had a MLB record to gauge. Aiken has an unknown (but arguably low) chance of ever making it to the bigs.

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Ahh "The Process" if that is what we are using as an excuse for losing 110 games last year and then getting nothing in return for that horrific season then by all means lets "Process" our way to a top 5 pick for the next decade.

The Astros chose to become the worst team ever in baseball over a 3-4 year stretch. So far we have almost nothing to show for it but a broken legged SS prospect and pitcher who can't get 20 year olds out and a draft class that fell apart faster than a Thai dock during a tsunami. People will say ohhh but we couldn't forecast an injury or ineffectiveness but its looking more and more like karma is biting the Astros for tanking the last few years.

You just can't blow the 1-1 and the Astros have blown 2 out of 3 now. So what happens when we get 2 of the next 5 picks next year? Do we shoot for a discount on both of them and if one gets away we say oh well we tried? There are some red flags in this "process" and they are starting to pop up. Lunhow made a comment that next years #2 pick could get to the bigs before Aiken would have. Well why were we drafting Aiken to begin with if we are concerned about getting players to Houston. If that was the case Rodon would have been a no doubter and he would be knocking on the door next summer or at least the spring of 16.

"You just can't blow the 1-1 and the Astros have blown 2 out of 3 now."

No they haven't.

I think TREX is a woman. So ****ing over dramatic.

In 5 years the Astros will still be at the bottom of the mlb. It's a poorly run franchise.

Don't be so butt hurt over someone that doesn't agree with you. Can you admit we blew 1 of 3 or does this year just not count? Appel has put up some of the worst numbers ever for a 1-1 so it can be argued. Up until this year I've been a huge supporter of what the Astros are doing but it seems to be unraveling just a bit.

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Well why were we drafting Aiken to begin with if we are concerned about getting players to Houston. If that was the case Rodon would have been a no doubter and he would be knocking on the door next summer or at least the spring of 16.

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You're forgetting that they weren't allowed to conduct a pre-draft physical because of the CBA. There was no reason to believe that there was anything wrong with his arm before the draft.

And RE: Rodon, look no further than Appel.

We may have "blown it" this year because we happened to pick the guy who's arm we didn't like after we got a chance to look at it, but due to the rules we still get a top 2 pick out of it anyway. I fail to see why this is such a disaster. Appel may be a disaster but it's pretty ridiculous to blame the team for that, anybody could have taken him, and the Astros DID pass on him once and got a good player.

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Ahh "The Process" if that is what we are using as an excuse for losing 110 games last year and then getting nothing in return for that horrific season then by all means lets "Process" our way to a top 5 pick for the next decade.

The Astros chose to become the worst team ever in baseball over a 3-4 year stretch. So far we have almost nothing to show for it but a broken legged SS prospect and pitcher who can't get 20 year olds out and a draft class that fell apart faster than a Thai dock during a tsunami. People will say ohhh but we couldn't forecast an injury or ineffectiveness but its looking more and more like karma is biting the Astros for tanking the last few years.

You just can't blow the 1-1 and the Astros have blown 2 out of 3 now. So what happens when we get 2 of the next 5 picks next year? Do we shoot for a discount on both of them and if one gets away we say oh well we tried? There are some red flags in this "process" and they are starting to pop up. Lunhow made a comment that next years #2 pick could get to the bigs before Aiken would have. Well why were we drafting Aiken to begin with if we are concerned about getting players to Houston. If that was the case Rodon would have been a no doubter and he would be knocking on the door next summer or at least the spring of 16.

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High school pitchers are always a high risk pick. Besides the Astros signed AJ Reed. To me, he was the best pick by the Astros. Dude is going to be a monster.

Reed and Fisher are off to very good starts.

Reed's numbers with the bbcor bats were eye popping in college.

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Don't be so butt hurt over someone that doesn't agree with you. Can you admit we blew 1 of 3 or does this year just not count? Appel has put up some of the worst numbers ever for a 1-1 so it can be argued. Up until this year I've been a huge supporter of what the Astros are doing but it seems to be unraveling just a bit.

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I'll agree with the unraveling a bit part, but I don't think that is an indication that this front office is failing. It's still too early on Appel, especially with all the things that have happened to him this year.

Changing a front office every 3-4 years is how you become the royals or the pirates for such a long time. It's still waaaaaay too early for that.

Plus, do you think Jim Crane didn't have a say in this? He could have easily freaked out and told them to pay the kid whatever he wanted. I guarantee you that he personally was involved here. He's a shrewd business man, so decisions like this come often for him.

Luhnow will be judged on how his drafts turn out. Not just the 1.1 part, but as a whole. The Lancaster team, which is probably 2 years away will be the time where Luhnow will be truly evaluated in my opinion... 2017 is the year, and I'm not basing that on SI, it's based on where the bulk of talent is in our system.

If by 2017, if we are not the best team in the AL West, I will be ready for this front office to be turned over. That of course means we need to see progress all the way up to that point.

If we draft a stud college guy at 1.2 next year and he's contributing by 2017, all of this will be just a fart in the wind.

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Don't be so butt hurt over someone that doesn't agree with you. Can you admit we blew 1 of 3 or does this year just not count? Appel has put up some of the worst numbers ever for a 1-1 so it can be argued. Up until this year I've been a huge supporter of what the Astros are doing but it seems to be unraveling just a bit.

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Please tell me how I am the one that's butthurt.....

You're the one with a few pages of over dramatic posts.

At the game tonight! Time to avenge the 2005 team!

Maybe I'm a bit too critical but all is not right with what has transpired over the last two drafts. Richard Justice wrote today that this draft will hurt the Astros chances in future drafts because agents won't want to deal with them. I'm not a big justice fan but the guy is clued in and knows his stuff.
My problem with your post is you are the one who started getting personal when you didn't agree with something I posted. It's a message board full of discussion it's not meant to be a suck off board for lunhow and the boys

Although I mostly agree with the astros stance it still comes across as REALLY bad PR. It's pathetic all this happened over 1.5 million, just ****in paid the dude