Rangers possibly moving to Downtown Dallas

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Good or bad?

LeFraud
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No...just no.
Matsui
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Would be great.
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Can't thumbs up this enough.
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I can't speak for Rangers fans nor can I speak to anything about Downtown Dallas or the DFW area at all. but as an Astros fan I was hesistant years ago when my team was leaving the Astrodome for a new stadium in the middle of downtown Houston, but now I couldn't imagine anything else. truly makes pregame and postgame entertainment so much better!
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Softline did a segment on it towards end of season. Not sure anything other than a major Cowboy issue stirs up the DFW sports fan as much as discussion of moving Rangers

They still have like 9 years or something on the lease at ballpark. I think eventually it will happen. I would love to be able to drive to a parking lot and ride a train direct to park
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The stadium still seems first class to me. Disappointing they'd abandon it so soon.

Are they planning on building a retractable roof facility? Sure hope not.

Rainouts > indoor baseball
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This won't happen anytime soon, and when it does, I'll be sad. Even though it'll probably mean I'll be less than 2 miles from the ballpark.
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The stadium still seems first class to me. Disappointing they'd abandon it so soon.

Are they planning on building a retractable roof facility? Sure hope not.

Rainouts > indoor baseball
No one will ever build one without a roof in the south again. We're trendsetters in Houston.
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It becomes a matter of where the organization wants the franchise... specifically... who are the fans they feel are the base and who are the fans they want the base to be.

If they move the stadium to downtown Dallas, their fan base will dramatically change.

Do they want to be the Angels. California Angels... sold out to a new stadium and changed the name to Anaheim to get the money... sold out to Advertisements and changed name to Los Angeles. The owner has been quoted as saying they don't want to appeal to the slums with cheap tickets and would rather have less fans at the game, in order to maintain high prices an a higher clientele. That works, until future generations are further detached from the team that they erode their base and locals abandon the team completely. You know who used to play football in Anaheim?! The LA Rams... err... St Louis Rams.

Do they want to be a team like Tampa Bay... where they have a stadium that no one goes to because it is just too difficult and the base isn't close enough to bother.

Do they want a team like the NY Yanks... where the fans are mostly corporate sponsors with season tickets where most of the fans are rich people who have to weigh attendance with work and team wins. Fans become very abusive and fickle... and abandon the team if they don't win.

Or like the Cowboys, where the corporate STHs ensure it is as friendly and inviting for the visiting team, as it is for the home team. Beyond t-shirt Red Sox and t-shirt Yankee fans snatching up tons of tickets and making it a visitor base, moving to downtown Dallas will ensure even more transient crowds from visiting teams.

When Jim Lites changed the feel of the game from baseball to a hockey atmosphere, they alienated many fans.

If you leave Arlington... you lose ALL of Ft. Worth and the mid-cities.

I've said this before... the demographics for the Dallas Mavericks is significantly different than the Dallas Stars which is significantly different than the Texas Rangers... which would be very different than the Dallas Rangers... which is dramatically different than the Dallas Mavericks.

If the Rangers wanted to rebuild... go North. The population center of the metroplex is moving North.

FC Dallas is in Frisco and the Dallas Sidekicks are in Allen.
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The Rangers were never a Dallas team. They have always been a Fort Worth team, dating back to their Fort Worth Cats fore-runners. They were the legacy of kids who grew up as Cats/Dodgers/Bobby Bragan fans, and the stadium was a few minutes from Fort Worth on the turnpike. I'm not even sure that Dallas can identify a baseball.
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The Rangers were never a Dallas team. They have always been a Fort Worth team, dating back to their Fort Worth Cats fore-runners. They were the legacy of kids who grew up as Cats/Dodgers/Bobby Bragan fans, and the stadium was a few minutes from Fort Worth on the turnpike. I'm not even sure that Dallas can identify a baseball.

weak attempt in making this a Dallas versus Ft Worth issue
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The stadium still seems first class to me. Disappointing they'd abandon it so soon.

Are they planning on building a retractable roof facility? Sure hope not.

Rainouts > indoor baseball
More about heat than rainouts isn't it?
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The stadium still seems first class to me. Disappointing they'd abandon it so soon.

Are they planning on building a retractable roof facility? Sure hope not.

Rainouts > indoor baseball
More about heat than rainouts isn't it?


Hot as **** baseball > indoor baseball
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The stadium still seems first class to me. Disappointing they'd abandon it so soon.

Are they planning on building a retractable roof facility? Sure hope not.

Rainouts > indoor baseball
No one will ever build one without a roof in the south again. We're trendsetters in Houston.


New Braves stadium currently being built
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What the Braves are doing would be the equivalent of the Rangers moving to Frisco.
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If I lived in Atlanta I'd be ****ing furious. The Falcons and Braves are ditching stadiums that are 20 years old. As a taxpayer I'd tell them to go **** themselves
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If I lived in Atlanta I'd be ****ing furious. The Falcons and Braves are ditching stadiums that are 20 years old. As a taxpayer I'd tell them to go **** themselves
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If you lived in Atlanta, I don't think you'd be paying for the stadium in Cobb County
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Having it in downtown Ft. Worth seems awesome
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I think people are upset about them basically just throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stadiums that still have decades of useful lives.

As a sports fan, and someone that thinks the sham of taxpayers buying stadiums for billionaires is insane, I cringe at the thought of the next wave of new stadiums. Of the 130ish Big 4 franchises, I'd reckon that 75% of them have received new stadiums in the last 25 years. If all of those perfectly fine stadiums are going to be discarded at the end of their lease, for a new shinier, fancier stadium, I don't really know what to think. Realistically there's no reason that those stadiums, ballparks and arenas shouldn't have 50 year lifespans at a bare minimum.
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All of the ballparks built in the 90s have held up well, atleast the ones I've been to. We shouldn't be talking about replacing those for atleast 20 more years. With TBiA specifically, they've made a number of changes over the years that should help it extend its life. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Braves getting a new ballpark is dumb, but atleast Turner Field was built for the Olympics and then made into an MLB park. As a result, it really wasn't that great. If the residents there weren't fine wasting money on venues that wouldn't get used their full useful life, they sure as **** shouldn't have hosted the Olympics.
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Tough decision. I absolutely hate the Arlington area in regards to atmosphere. Love that I can get there in 20 minutes, but when your only option is Sherlocks and it's not really even walk-able, then it's a shame.

Love how Houston has done the downtown stadium and the ease of access, but that works for Houston because of the population center not being spread out with a large neighboring city like DFW.
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Love how Houston has done the downtown stadium and the ease of access, but that works for Houston because of the population center not being spread out with a large neighboring city like DFW.

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Anyone know the demographics of where season ticket holders live? Curious how many are in FW/Tarrant vs Dallas.

A downtown FW ballpark would be the greatest thing ever, but I don't think that would happen in a million years
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They should have built the ballpark downtown last go around. I'd be down for it being in either downtown, although it would be easier to use the light rail to get there if it was in Dallas. I just feel like baseball parks should be in a downtown setting. And the pre/post game would be much better. I've been to Fenway a handful of times, and to Wrigley once, and the pre/post game fun is just as big of an experience as the game itself.
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Dallas doesn't really have a "downtown" area to put a stadium like Houston. The closest is where Mavs are, and even that is a stretch. If anything, I bet attendance would go down in Dallas.
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Where the AAC is now is where I wanted them to put the ballpark 20 years ago
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They should have built the ballpark downtown last go around. I'd be down for it being in either downtown, although it would be easier to use the light rail to get there if it was in Dallas. I just feel like baseball parks should be in a downtown setting. And the pre/post game would be much better. I've been to Fenway a handful of times, and to Wrigley once, and the pre/post game fun is just as big of an experience as the game itself.
I think a ballpark should be in a suburban area, where they could ride their bike, or parent drop them off and watch afternoon games. OR... a father can take his son to a game and hangout for the evening talking about like and strategy... looking at stats talking about who the greatest <insert position/Era> was to play.
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I'd guess the Rangers season ticket base is pretty evenly split between Dallas and Fort Worth, but more of the the more valuable corporate clients in Dallas, and I'm sure the reps would be frothing at the mouth at increasing that # if they did move (AccidentProne?).

Downtown FW would never happen. They can take the hit on losing some of the FW -> Dallas attendees, but not the reverse.

St. Louis downtown was great -- there was a downtown bar everyone walked to pre-game, and a downtown bar everyone walked to post-game.

Not sure of the areas being considered in Dallas, but I was actually a bit surprised going to Muse at the AAC earlier this week at the lack of decent options/atmosphere around the AAC.
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I think Boston wins for best pregame set up. The blocks surrounding it have a ton of Redsox stores or bars. There is even a bar the ballpark that open to those without a ticket.
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Where the AAC is now is where I wanted them to put the ballpark 20 years ago
I think that could have been an awesome park, oh well.
Hamburger Dan
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Eventually, I bet they move and build a retractable roof/ new park somewhere. I can get to the Arlington park in two and a half hours. If they move into the downtown Dallas area - that would it close to a three hour trip. Not that big of deal. We've been attending upwards to 20 games a year forever. I doubt it's going to change. And yes for the retractable roof. When the opening game pitch temp, is at 104 and it's still in the mid nineties at the seventh inning stretch. It's too hot.
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Do they want to be the Angels. California Angels... sold out to a new stadium and changed the name to Anaheim to get the money... sold out to Advertisements and changed name to Los Angeles. The owner has been quoted as saying they don't want to appeal to the slums with cheap tickets and would rather have less fans at the game, in order to maintain high prices an a higher clientele. That works, until future generations are further detached from the team that they erode their base and locals abandon the team completely. You know who used to play football in Anaheim?! The LA Rams... err... St Louis Rams.

What? The Angels have played in that stadium since 1966. They're also almost always in the top 5 in attendance, and nobody is getting killed in the parking lot unlike their neighbors to the north.

The Rams and murderous ***** Georgia Frontiere are a totally different story that also doesn't fit your odd narrative:

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She began life as Violet Francis Irwin and career as a chorus girl. Georgia Frontiere hit the jackpot when she married her sixth husband Carroll Rosenbloom, who also happened to own the Los Angeles Rams. When Rosenbloom died in a mysterious drowning accident in 1979, Georgia became the owner of the Rams, and promptly fired Rosenbloom's son as the team president before marrying husband No. 7, Dominic Frontiere.
Thus began the hate-hate relationship between Southern California and Frontiere. She moved the team from the L.A. Coliseum to Anaheim (a move Rosenbloom had contractually consummated before his death) and thus severed the long-running love affair between the team - L.A.'s first professional franchise - and much of the team's San Fernando Valley-based fans, not to mention Hollywood. The team thrived briefly in the 1980s, but her stingy ways when it came to team payroll, which led to an ugly and public divorce with superstar running back Eric ****erson, drove the Rams into a steady decline.
By the end of the 1980s, the Rams were a franchise in a death spiral. Attendance at Anaheim Stadium plummeted. Fans had abandoned the team to cheer for the Raiders, who swooped into the vacuum in L.A. and won the city's first (and so far, only) Super Bowl in 1983. Borrowing a script very much from the movie "Major League," Frontiere gutted the rosters and was able to secure a sweetheart deal from St. Louis to move the franchise after the 1994 season.
Frontiere left behind the nation's second-largest market without an NFL team to this day. Observing the old adage, "if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all," upon her 2008 death the silence from Southern California was deafening.
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