I don't mind them moving to Dallas, but I want them to develop the area, make it worth going down there for the pregame and postgame experience.

If the TRE drops off right at the park, I don't mind hopping on in downtown FW and riding the train as opposed to driving and parking in Arlington.

So if they move it would either be in downtown Dallas or in frisco?

Living in Fort Worth, I think it would be stupid to not keep the team in Arlington. A lot of people I know and I who go to occasionally 6-7 Rangers games a season would go half as much if the team was in Dallas and probably never if in Frisco. While Arlington doesn't have the cool backdrop a lot of other ballparks have, it is centrally located in the Metroplex and accessible to six million people. If you move the team to Dallas or a northern suburb, the 20-35 minute drive from Fort Worth and further west to Arlington turns into most likely an hour or more. You would lose a good chunk of your attendance doing that. Same goes if the team moved to Fort Worth. You would lose a lot of the people coming from Dallas. The only other place I could see the Rangers feasibly playing and keeping the masses coming would be around DFW Airport.

FWIW, I'm a Cubs and Astros fan. So if the Rangers are getting a casual baseball fan like me to come 6-7 times a year to watch other teams, don't mess it up.

Considering the rough riders are in Frisco I doubt it

Frisco is not a legitimate option - the attendance gain from that area would not offset the attendance lost from Fort Worth.

It's either Arlington or Dallas.

I'm fine with Arlington, but the city needs to invest in the area around the park that was rumored a decade ago. There needs to be restaurants and bars within walking distance and the TRE transit needs to drop off at the park... While I'd prefer a downtown atmosphere where people can get off work and go to the game, the next best thing is the ability to get off work in downtown Dallas or FW and hop on a 20min train.

Rangers should have been in Dallas when they were looking to move out of the old Arlington Stadium. You can thank Laura Miller aka "Madam No" for the fact that they are still in Arlington.

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Rangers should have been in Dallas when they were looking to move out of the old Arlington Stadium. You can thank Laura Miller aka "Madam No" for the fact that they are still in Arlington.

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Um, I think you're a little confused. When the Rangers built the Ballpark Laura Miller was just a reporter and hadn't even run for City Council yet.

Chip is right. The Seahag costs downtown the Cowboys not the Rangers. As far as moving here to downtown, the city is going to put the full court press to get the new stadium here. Probably just on the other side of 30. Tons of empty warehouses that can be demolished and the dart already goes that direction. It work work without question.

This discussion is really showing the death spiral that sports is in right now. People simply need to much attention. How about go to the game, watch it and then go home? Why in the hell do you need to walk around as a 40-50 year old with your fat belly in a team jersey bar hopping? Go to the game (which lasts over 3 hours) and then go home. Games start at the time they do for a reason. For you to go home, get your kid, and then go to a game.

But having more bars and restaurants so we can leave the kids home, get plastered with other idiot adults and scream obscenities because "we paid for the ticket so by God I have a right to do as I please".

That ballpark is located perfectly to services the Metroplex. People in South Dallas are not going to a baseball game.

No Mr. Bond. It is called acting your age. Something that many people when they attend sporting events disregard.
There are numerous opportunities to get blasted at a game. And for the most part the team wants you getting blasted there. My uncle and I got blind drunk at a Rangers game on time. Not the smartest thing we have ever done. When we showed up back home the following day at night needless to say there were family members pissed as all get out.

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Frisco is not a legitimate option - the attendance gain from that area would not offset the attendance lost from Fort Worth.

It's either Arlington or Dallas.

I'm fine with Arlington, but the city needs to invest in the area around the park that was rumored a decade ago. There needs to be restaurants and bars within walking distance and the TRE transit needs to drop off at the park... While I'd prefer a downtown atmosphere where people can get off work and go to the game, the next best thing is the ability to get off work in downtown Dallas or FW and hop on a 20min train.

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This. Both sides of the argument center around public transit. Also, the fan base is very family oriented... Not sure if I would pack up my kids and take the drive from fort worth to Dallas on a weeknight. Moving to Dallas I feel might be risky in losing ticket sales from Tarrant county

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Frisco is not a legitimate option - the attendance gain from that area would not offset the attendance lost from Fort Worth.

It's either Arlington or Dallas.

I'm fine with Arlington, but the city needs to invest in the area around the park that was rumored a decade ago. There needs to be restaurants and bars within walking distance and the TRE transit needs to drop off at the park... While I'd prefer a downtown atmosphere where people can get off work and go to the game, the next best thing is the ability to get off work in downtown Dallas or FW and hop on a 20min train.

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They thought about a train during the Super Bowl, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen. For a city that has mostly been forward thinking throughout its history, its famously stingy on public transportation and for many of us from Arlington, its terribly disappointing. They've got the bus connection to the TRE now, hopefully it grows from there.

Anyhow, apart from that plan that was just posted, there has been movement and investment in Arlington, from downtown up to across I-30 in the "Presidential Streets."

Much of the mixed-use, entertainment investment has happened at UTA/College Park/Downtown, and I think it makes some sense as you have a growing university, seeking to become less commuter, more traditional, with a bunch of college kids around for more than 81 nights out of the year. Its also more central to most folks in Arlington. (Let's not forget The Ballpark is on the eastern edge of Arlington)

I think the restaurants and bars over in Lincoln Square have tried hard, and have been successful, at drawing crowds and being that restaurant and bar option...but they're are only so many of them and they're only so big.

It would have been great if something like the Arlington Highlands creeped up around the ballpark, but alas, it didn't. I hope the big investment plans are approved and something happens, there is good opportunity there with the Ballparks and theme parks (Jerryworld, included )

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I can't speak for Rangers fans nor can I speak to anything about Downtown Dallas or the DFW area at all. but as an Astros fan I was hesistant years ago when my team was leaving the Astrodome for a new stadium in the middle of downtown Houston, but now I couldn't imagine anything else. truly makes pregame and postgame entertainment so much better!

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To be fair, its still a somewhat poor pre and post-game experience in the downtown Houston area.

Downtown Houston has a lot of work to do if it wants to be an entertainment hub.

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I'll believe this when the dirt starts flying and maybe not even then. Entertainment-wise, the area around the ballpart has always been a wasteland that not even jerryworld could change. It's a shame.

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Pressure on Arlington council...curious to see if it passes.

Pretty sure I saw those same drawings 25 years ago when they first planned the ballpark.

When it comes to mass transit, arlington picked its poison by choosing to spend their sales tax $.01 on the stadiums instead of dart

The biggest problem with Lincoln Square is simply that it's not within easy walking distance of A&T Stadium and especially Rangers Ballpark

Sure. Not saying I don't wish for more things closer.

Just mentioning they've done a good job with what they've got---that place is full to the brim on game days, and lots of foot traffic between it and Cowboys Stadium (its a 0.5 to 0.75 mile walk depending on where within Lincoln Square you are at).

I've never ridden any of their busses, only the Arlington Trolley once or twice from those restaurants up along I-30 and Pennant, but I've heard they do a good job with those to Rangers game since , yes, agreed, that is a bit of a long walk (over a mile).

I hope they're a model for more bars and restaurants to pop up closer to the stadiums, I know they have a Buffalo Wild Wings down by Cowboys Stadium.

They definitely could use more places closer to both facilities, particularly the Ballpark. No doubt about it.

How about telling the Rangers no and allowing them to move back to Washington. Oh wait, there is already a team there. Maybe they could move to another major market. Oh wait, the Rangers are now in the 5th largest television market in the United States.

If the Rangers want another stadium then let them build it. If not then let them move. The problem that is going on in Dallas Fort Worth is all the surrounding areas trying to get on the map by having the Rangers play there. And Dallas is so screwed up they will never get on the same page in order to do anything. South Dallas and North Dallas hate each other.

Building a stadium is a losing proposition. They never pay it off and they roll the debt over into the next bond. Reunion Arena still had not been paid off when they built AA Arena.

By the way, what has become of Reunion Arena?

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I'd guess the Rangers season ticket base is pretty evenly split between Dallas and Fort Worth, but more of the the more valuable corporate clients in Dallas, and I'm sure the reps would be frothing at the mouth at increasing that # if they did move (AccidentProne?).

Downtown FW would never happen. They can take the hit on losing some of the FW -> Dallas attendees, but not the reverse.

St. Louis downtown was great -- there was a downtown bar everyone walked to pre-game, and a downtown bar everyone walked to post-game.

Not sure of the areas being considered in Dallas, but I was actually a bit surprised going to Muse at the AAC earlier this week at the lack of decent options/atmosphere around the AAC.

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Sorry I'm just now seeing this. I am not opposed to moving to Dallas because that would open up the wealthy, north Dallas market that we have so much trouble getting down to Arlington currently. I would probably lose some of my account base from the Fort Worth area due to the increased distance they would have to travel, but I feel that what I would gain from the north Dallas market would more than offset that loss.

At the same, if Arlington can make some upgrades to make this area more attractive to people who have to travel long distances, then I wouldn't be opposed to staying in Arlington.The infrastructure and surrounding areas of Arlington definitely need an upgrade.

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Living in Fort Worth, I think it would be stupid to not keep the team in Arlington. A lot of people I know and I who go to occasionally 6-7 Rangers games a season would go half as much if the team was in Dallas and probably never if in Frisco. While Arlington doesn't have the cool backdrop a lot of other ballparks have, it is centrally located in the Metroplex and accessible to six million people. If you move the team to Dallas or a northern suburb, the 20-35 minute drive from Fort Worth and further west to Arlington turns into most likely an hour or more. You would lose a good chunk of your attendance doing that. Same goes if the team moved to Fort Worth. You would lose a lot of the people coming from Dallas. The only other place I could see the Rangers feasibly playing and keeping the masses coming would be around DFW Airport.

FWIW, I'm a Cubs and Astros fan. So if the Rangers are getting a casual baseball fan like me to come 6-7 times a year to watch other teams, don't mess it up.

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We are missing out more than you think from the Dallas market. In my experience so far as a rep with the Rangers, the north Dallas areas such Frisco, Plano, The Colony, etc. are the most difficult to get out here to the ballpark. They would much rather go see the Rough Riders, Mavs, or Stars just because it is so much closer. That's not to say that NOBODY makes it to the ballpark from those areas, but is very few.

I worked for the rough riders, their fan experience is far better than the Rangers. So I can easily see why they don't come down

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I worked for the rough riders, their fan experience is far better than the Rangers. So I can easily see why they don't come down

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I, too, worked for a minor league team. I now work for the Rangers. The approach is way different. Minor league teams are more geared towards fan experience and family environments.

It's almost comparing apples to oranges.

Again I think you're proving my point. Why would fans come to Arlington or even Dallas from Frisco when they have a better experience right in their back yard

One also cost a family of 4 easily $250+..... The other less than half that

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One also cost a family of 4 easily $250+..... The other less than half that

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True, but my point still stands.

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Again I think you're proving my point. Why would fans come to Arlington or even Dallas from Frisco when they have a better experience right in their back yard

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It just depends on what you're trying to accomplish. My clients when I was with the Triple A team in OKC weren't trying to close business deals with high end clients/prospects. Season ticket holders up there were primarily older people who just enjoyed watching baseball. There was also a huge focus on group tickets where there were theme nights and a couple of field trip days for schools and day cares.

That presence does exists with the Rangers, but to a lesser extent. Most of the fans in the premium seating areas are die hard baseball fans or companies entertaining clients/prospects.

Whether or not the Frisco/ North Dallas area could support both teams is a valid question, but if it couldn't, it would kill the Rough Riders, not the other way around.

I do wonder what the closest MLB and minor league affiliate are.

Seattle has their triple a team in Tacoma which I think is like 40 miles. Atlanta also moved their triple a club recently to gwinnett which is about half an hour from Atlanta

I live 10 minutes from the FW Cats stadium.

I've been to maybe 5 Cats games in my lifetime. Most of those have been lazy Saturdays when we're having some beers and someone throws out the idea -- it's typically not a planned event.

It's also much of the reason I could never get into Aggie Baseball that much -- unlike football and basketball, I can't stand to watch baseball that isn't played at a high level.