That bet is a coin flip. I feel Altuve is more deserving, but Judge is a Yankee. It could go either way.
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I think its a coin flip. It shouldn't be close but its way too good of a feel good story and he's a Yankee. Anybody who says those things don't matter is fooling themselves. I would not bet 2 bits one way or the other.
If you truly believe it is a coin flip then go put all your money on Judge. He's a big underdog in Vegas.
_lefraud_ said:
I'm interested, what's the wager?
Is there a legit way to bet a fellow TexAg poster online? Ive been on this site since 2005 and feel like people who make wagers here just disappear. I think a friendly wager would be fun.
A lot of welchers.another angry ag said:_lefraud_ said:
I'm interested, what's the wager?
Is there a legit way to bet a fellow TexAg poster online? Ive been on this site since 2005 and feel like people who make wagers here just disappear. I think a friendly wager would be fun.
If Judge hadn't had the start to the year he had, I'd say Altuve wins it. I still think he should, but I would bet on Judge because he's a Yankee
Altuve would have got that hit to score the go ahead run. As usual, Judge wasn't clutch.
When in doubt, always award the east coast players. They ALWAYS are the best and anyone else is a scrub.PatAg said:
If Judge hadn't had the start to the year he had, I'd say Altuve wins it. I still think he should, but I would bet on Judge because he's a Yankee
bad_teammate said on 2/10/21:
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
If their respective performances in their Division Series doesn't seal it for Altuve, then they can take the award and throw it in the trash.
Votes were due before the postseasonGoose said:
If their respective performances in their Division Series doesn't seal it for Altuve, then they can take the award and throw it in the trash.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
I was curious about that.
Judge's performance in the ALDS backs up what I've been saying.
all he does is hit home runs...and when he's not hitting home runs...he contributes next to nothing to the Yankees offense
all he does is hit home runs...and when he's not hitting home runs...he contributes next to nothing to the Yankees offense
1 for 15 with 1 run versus 8 for 15 with 5 runs....tell me again who should be MVP? It's not the 1 for 15 guy.
bad_teammate said on 2/10/21:
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
Well he had a two rbi double in last nights game, but whatever fits your narrative!
Typical 'stro fans for ya. Guy has an MVP type season, and he is being "judged" on the two bad games (out of 4) on his first postseason experience.
Want to guess who hit 3 for 22, with 2 runs, and 1 rbi in his first every postseason series?
Typical 'stro fans for ya. Guy has an MVP type season, and he is being "judged" on the two bad games (out of 4) on his first postseason experience.
Want to guess who hit 3 for 22, with 2 runs, and 1 rbi in his first every postseason series?
_lefraud_ said:
Well he had a two rbi double in last nights game, but whatever fits your narrative!
Typical 'stro fans for ya. Guy has an MVP type season, and he is being "judged" on the two bad games (out of 4) on his first postseason experience.
Want to guess who hit 3 for 22, with 2 runs, and 1 rbi in his first every postseason series?
MVPs don't hit .228 for a back end 3 month stretch
_lefraud_ said:
Want to guess who hit 3 for 22, with 2 runs, and 1 rbi in his first every postseason series?
Was he a leading MVP candidate that year? Judge has had about the least MVP-type of postseason you could have. He's only put the ball in play three times in four games, while whiffing twelve times. Good job of focusing on his one hit.
W said:
Judge's performance in the ALDS backs up what I've been saying.
all he does is hit home runs...and when he's not hitting home runs...he contributes next to nothing to the Yankees offense
I'm on the record for saying I'd vote Altuve but dude, stop.
Judge led the AL in runs scored and he was second in RBI.
You came and bashed Giancarlo Stanton for this---he goes on to lead MLB in RBI and finish second in NL runs scored. Then you came and bashed Judge for not contributing.
Judge was inconsistent but stop acting like you've been "on to something" with these guys.
In short for Judge: it turns out leading the league by a wide margin in the small thing, walks, and the big thing, home runs, contributes quite a lot.
And let's you finish with a higher OBP than one Jose Altuve.
And let's you finish with a higher OBP than one Jose Altuve.
Want to guess who hit .185 for the month of August?
The same guy who hit .284 for the season? He also only had 3 home runs in August, yet still finished with 50+ home runs for the season. That one horrific month will probably cost Judge the MVP, which says a lot about the type of season he just put up...dcaggie04 said:
Want to guess who hit .185 for the month of August?
_lefraud_ said:The same guy who hit .284 for the season? He also only had 3 home runs in August, yet still finished with 50+ home runs for the season. That one horrific month will probably cost Judge the MVP, which says a lot about the type of season he just put up...dcaggie04 said:
Want to guess who hit .185 for the month of August?
Least clutch season by a hitter in 43 years.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/aaron-judge-has-been-the-least-clutch-player-on-record/
He absolutely sucks in the clutch. More than every other hitter in baseball since 1974. He's got insane power, which is why he's put up 52 homeruns as a rookie, which is incredible in its own right. But he absolutely lays down and takes it in pressure situations, and it's showing in the playoffs because every AB is a high pressure situation.
That is not what an MVP does.
As the article states, "clutch" isn't really a skill, and that also a .300 hitter in high-leverage spots can still be shown to be un-clutch.
It's not a huge dial mover; and at the end of the day, baseball is about having more runs than the other team. If Jusge scores beaucoup runs in "low leverage" spots, so what, it has done a lot to help the Yankees win a lot of games.
It's not a huge dial mover; and at the end of the day, baseball is about having more runs than the other team. If Jusge scores beaucoup runs in "low leverage" spots, so what, it has done a lot to help the Yankees win a lot of games.
Judge was not good at all for 2 months. His July and Aug were really bad.
July: 25 games played
slash line: 0.230/.364/.483
7 HR, but only 20 total hits so slugging was inflated
18 BB so OBP is inflated
39 K (36.4%) Basically he was HR or K for July
Aug: 27 games played
slash .185/.353/.326
3 HR, 17 total hits
23 BB kept OBP up
41K (35.1%) so he basically was a strike out machine without the HR
For comparison, Rougned Odor was generally considered to be the worst position player in MLB. I know we make fun of him for other reasons, but he was not a good hittter at all this year. In fact, he was the worst hitter this year for regular everyday players. Here is his July/Aug splits
July (25 games played)
.266/.310/.606
10 HR, 20 total hits. Lots of HR so slugging was elevated.
4 BB
23 K (23%)
Aug (28 games played)
.179/.228/.330
4 HR, 19 total hits
6 BB
30K (26.3%)
The only real differences between the two? Odor didnt walk nearly as much. But he didnt strike out nearly as much either.
Aaron Judge was basically Rougned Odor for those 2 months. If you think Rougned Odor is an MVP candidate raise your hand.
July: 25 games played
slash line: 0.230/.364/.483
7 HR, but only 20 total hits so slugging was inflated
18 BB so OBP is inflated
39 K (36.4%) Basically he was HR or K for July
Aug: 27 games played
slash .185/.353/.326
3 HR, 17 total hits
23 BB kept OBP up
41K (35.1%) so he basically was a strike out machine without the HR
For comparison, Rougned Odor was generally considered to be the worst position player in MLB. I know we make fun of him for other reasons, but he was not a good hittter at all this year. In fact, he was the worst hitter this year for regular everyday players. Here is his July/Aug splits
July (25 games played)
.266/.310/.606
10 HR, 20 total hits. Lots of HR so slugging was elevated.
4 BB
23 K (23%)
Aug (28 games played)
.179/.228/.330
4 HR, 19 total hits
6 BB
30K (26.3%)
The only real differences between the two? Odor didnt walk nearly as much. But he didnt strike out nearly as much either.
Aaron Judge was basically Rougned Odor for those 2 months. If you think Rougned Odor is an MVP candidate raise your hand.
You're overselling it.
Odor's OPS in July is higher than Altuve's in April, May, August, and September---and by 40 or more points in Aril, August, and September.
Odor would be an MVP candidate if he like he hit in July every month if the year...
...We don't deride Odor because his July stat line. We deride Odor because it was the one month all year his OPS was above .656. And that his OPS was below .600 for three different months.
Judge rightfully didn't win player of the month in July or August.
His August was bad all around, that's a perfectly fair criticism, and that's why he's not the hands down favorite.
Odor's OPS in July is higher than Altuve's in April, May, August, and September---and by 40 or more points in Aril, August, and September.
Odor would be an MVP candidate if he like he hit in July every month if the year...
...We don't deride Odor because his July stat line. We deride Odor because it was the one month all year his OPS was above .656. And that his OPS was below .600 for three different months.
Judge rightfully didn't win player of the month in July or August.
His August was bad all around, that's a perfectly fair criticism, and that's why he's not the hands down favorite.
Want to re-visit this hot take? He has 4 golden sombreros this season (3 already in the playoffs)._lefraud_ said:
Well he had a two rbi double in last nights game, but whatever fits your narrative!
Typical 'stro fans for ya. Guy has an MVP type season, and he is being "judged" on the two bad games (out of 4) on his first postseason experience.
Want to guess who hit 3 for 22, with 2 runs, and 1 rbi in his first every postseason series?
Unless this game goes to extras, he literally just set the record for the worst hitting performance (of all-time) in a playoff series. He isn't an MVP. Great power numbers this season, but can't hit a breaking ball.
He does a great job of using his length and athleticism to make pitchers pay for mistakes, especially on fastballs up in the zone once they fatigue. And he will likely win an MVP award before his career is over. But the days are over of simply just mashing 50 HRs and getting the MVP. He isn't there yet (which is nothing to be ashamed of as a rookie).
This is Judges only chance
Trout will go back to winning every year starting next year
Trout will go back to winning every year starting next year
Judge was simply terrible in the ALDS
W said:
Judge was simply terrible in the ALDS
I would say even worse than terrible.
0-5 night. Hitting 0.050 in the playoffs.
bad_teammate said on 2/10/21:
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.
Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
Satellite of Love said:
0-5 night. Hitting 0.050 in the playoffs.
3 golden sombreros in 5 games
...and a hat trick.
He had a great year, but if I had my choice, I'd take Joey Gallo over Judge if I got to pick one for the next 10 years.
Somebody bookmark this so they can do an internet smackdown when I'm wrong in 2027.
He had a great year, but if I had my choice, I'd take Joey Gallo over Judge if I got to pick one for the next 10 years.
Somebody bookmark this so they can do an internet smackdown when I'm wrong in 2027.
Judge's Dad?
I would agree. Gallo has always had power, and showed big improvements on learning how to actually hit this season, plus he is a 18 months younger.94chem said:
...and a hat trick.
He had a great year, but if I had my choice, I'd take Joey Gallo over Judge if I got to pick one for the next 10 years.
Somebody bookmark this so they can do an internet smackdown when I'm wrong in 2027.
While nothing really indicated that Judge would have a breakout 50+ home run season, I don't think I could take Gallo over Judge until he sniffs the type of season that Judge just put up. They are both high strikeout guys with power, but based on the small sample size, only a Ranger homer would take Gallo at this point.
Gallo won me over with his athletic ability. They would routinely use him as a pinch runner when he wasn't in the lineup. He's not your typical plodding slugger. Much more like Dave Winfield than David Ortiz.
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