EastCoastAgNc said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Teddy Perkins said:

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On Correa, he was very candid in a spanish interview with La Garata podcast and stated the following:

• Correa is looking for a "big, long contract." 6 years is not going to get it done.
• Correa doesn't believe Crane will commit to a long term contract.
• Correa felt disrespected by the Astros offers (5 years for $125M, and 6 years for $120M).
• Other teams have said they are "all in" for Correa.
• Correa isn't only concerned about the number and years, he factors in location, state and federal taxes, his agent's cut, and whether the offering team is a winning organization. "If you sign, say, for 350 in Los Angeles and you have 35-37 percent of the federal tax and you have 13 percent of the state tax, you're gonna have five percent to your agent, you're going to spare the extra 160 and change. If I go for 270 in Houston, you have federal taxes, you don't have state tax, it's zero and it's saving you 13 percent. Well, you're going to have a lot more in Houston. What's it matter to say 'I have a bigger contract.' No, you want them to give you more, you don't want to just be a number there that is the biggest contract, you want to keep as much as possible."

Source.

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He is basically telling Crane what he wants to see in an offer to stay in that interview. 6 years for $120M is a joke of an offer and I don't blame Carlos at all for being upset at Crane for that. 8 years for $270M is Carlos' number I think.

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If 2024 is the next big turnover point, 8/270 wouldn't be a terrible idea because you'd have a leadership guy to help bring along whoever the next round of new guys are. He can slot over to 3rd once Bregman's contract runs out. I still don't think it'll happen.

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Almost made me spit out my coffee there for a minute....you think Altuve who is already 31 gets an 8 yr deal for 270 in 2024 when he is 34....taking him to 42?!? Am I understanding you correctly?

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Teddy Perkins said:

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On Correa, he was very candid in a spanish interview with La Garata podcast and stated the following:

• Correa is looking for a "big, long contract." 6 years is not going to get it done.
• Correa doesn't believe Crane will commit to a long term contract.
• Correa felt disrespected by the Astros offers (5 years for $125M, and 6 years for $120M).
• Other teams have said they are "all in" for Correa.
• Correa isn't only concerned about the number and years, he factors in location, state and federal taxes, his agent's cut, and whether the offering team is a winning organization. "If you sign, say, for 350 in Los Angeles and you have 35-37 percent of the federal tax and you have 13 percent of the state tax, you're gonna have five percent to your agent, you're going to spare the extra 160 and change. If I go for 270 in Houston, you have federal taxes, you don't have state tax, it's zero and it's saving you 13 percent. Well, you're going to have a lot more in Houston. What's it matter to say 'I have a bigger contract.' No, you want them to give you more, you don't want to just be a number there that is the biggest contract, you want to keep as much as possible."

Source.

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He is basically telling Crane what he wants to see in an offer to stay in that interview. 6 years for $120M is a joke of an offer and I don't blame Carlos at all for being upset at Crane for that. 8 years for $270M is Carlos' number I think.

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If 2024 is the next big turnover point, 8/270 wouldn't be a terrible idea because you'd have a leadership guy to help bring along whoever the next round of new guys are. He can slot over to 3rd once Bregman's contract runs out. I still don't think it'll happen.

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Almost made me spit out my coffee there for a minute....you think Altuve who is already 31 gets an 8 yr deal for 270 in 2024 when he is 34....taking him to 42?!? Am I understanding you correctly?

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No, Correa

bearkatag15 said:

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Teddy Perkins said:

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On Correa, he was very candid in a spanish interview with La Garata podcast and stated the following:

• Correa is looking for a "big, long contract." 6 years is not going to get it done.
• Correa doesn't believe Crane will commit to a long term contract.
• Correa felt disrespected by the Astros offers (5 years for $125M, and 6 years for $120M).
• Other teams have said they are "all in" for Correa.
• Correa isn't only concerned about the number and years, he factors in location, state and federal taxes, his agent's cut, and whether the offering team is a winning organization. "If you sign, say, for 350 in Los Angeles and you have 35-37 percent of the federal tax and you have 13 percent of the state tax, you're gonna have five percent to your agent, you're going to spare the extra 160 and change. If I go for 270 in Houston, you have federal taxes, you don't have state tax, it's zero and it's saving you 13 percent. Well, you're going to have a lot more in Houston. What's it matter to say 'I have a bigger contract.' No, you want them to give you more, you don't want to just be a number there that is the biggest contract, you want to keep as much as possible."

Source.

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He is basically telling Crane what he wants to see in an offer to stay in that interview. 6 years for $120M is a joke of an offer and I don't blame Carlos at all for being upset at Crane for that. 8 years for $270M is Carlos' number I think.

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I think you're right, question then becomes, are y'all for or against that deal?

Are you for or against the Astros signing Correa to an 8 year deal at $270M?

— Texags Poll Account (@TexagsA) November 4, 2021

EastCoastAgNc said:

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Anybody have any thoughts on how the Astros are gonna handle Altuve once his contract is up? I'd love for him to be a lifetime Astros like Biggio / Bagwell were, but I get the feeling the ownership / GM don't view guys like that anymore. Plus, with the way a lot of the contracts / arbitration timelines (based on current CBA) line up, seems like 2024 is the next big point of turnover. I hope they keep him, I can't imagine him in another uniform.

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Too many variables. Is Altuve still an above average player? Are we still winning at a high level? Is there a big time prospect being blocked? What is Altuve willing to sign for?

Ideally, we hit on Pena at SS and Leon in the OF. They're both budding stars. Jake, Chas, Siri, or a new prospect are playing elite D and hitting well enough. Tucker & Yordan are still elite. We spend FA money to sign a vet bopper at first in '23. The offense is rolling. Altuve is aging decently and we sign him for 3/33 M with maybe a mutual option for a 4th year. He can retire in his late 30s as an Astro.

CC isn't signing for 8yr/270M. There will definitely be a team that offers him 10 years, probably a team or two that will offer 12 years.

All I do is Nguyen said:

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AustinCountyAg said:

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Suddenly injury prone?… is this a troll?

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Not a troll, I've seen it happen across all sports. Up and coming superstar gets massive contract and then they are hurt all of a sudden more often than not.

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You missed the sarcasm.

Farmer1906 said:

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I think the only way we land Correa is by giving him an Arenado type deal (8 year/ 260 M). Front-loaded with opt-outs in years 2, 3, and/or 4. It offers long term security for Correa is he declines by still being 8 ears long, but also lets him earn big bucks now, keep winning, and a chance to hit the market again at a young age to try and get even more money.

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When you sit down with him, you have two baseball cards sitting on the conference table. A Babe Ruth and a Lou Gehrig, both maybe 1933 Goudey Gum. You say, "Carlos, Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig were the two legends of the Yankees in the 1920's. We think you and Jose Altuve are the two legends of the Astros in the 2020's. We see a lot of Octobers for you two to make this happen. We know you may be offered a bit more money elsewhere, but we want to make you a legend. $260M, plus the cards."

I'm excited about Peña and Leon but don't want to assume they will pan out. If we are going with a rookie SS then I'd like to upgrade at either catcher or an OF spot.

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AggieLit said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I think the only way we land Correa is by giving him an Arenado type deal (8 year/ 260 M). Front-loaded with opt-outs in years 2, 3, and/or 4. It offers long term security for Correa is he declines by still being 8 ears long, but also lets him earn big bucks now, keep winning, and a chance to hit the market again at a young age to try and get even more money.

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When you sit down with him, you have two baseball cards sitting on the conference table. A Babe Ruth and a Lou Gehrig, both maybe 1933 Goudey Gum. You say, "Carlos, Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig were the two legends of the Yankees in the 1920's. We think you and Jose Altuve are the two legends of the Astros in the 2020's. We see a lot of Octobers for you two to make this happen. We know you may be offered a bit more money elsewhere, but we want to make you a legend. $260M, plus the cards."

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Throw in a complete set of 1988 Donruss and he may take the deal.

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Team Correa asks "what is a Donruss"?

AggieLit said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I think the only way we land Correa is by giving him an Arenado type deal (8 year/ 260 M). Front-loaded with opt-outs in years 2, 3, and/or 4. It offers long term security for Correa is he declines by still being 8 ears long, but also lets him earn big bucks now, keep winning, and a chance to hit the market again at a young age to try and get even more money.

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When you sit down with him, you have two baseball cards sitting on the conference table. A Babe Ruth and a Lou Gehrig, both maybe 1933 Goudey Gum. You say, "Carlos, Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig were the two legends of the Yankees in the 1920's. We think you and Jose Altuve are the two legends of the Astros in the 2020's. We see a lot of Octobers for you two to make this happen. We know you may be offered a bit more money elsewhere, but we want to make you a legend. $260M, plus the cards."

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*rolls eyes*

Regarding CC, he and Crane have talked. It's clear that Crane will not offer more than 5, maybe 6 years in this situation. It's a philosophical position and the correct one and we should be glad we finally have an owner that understands baseball.

Also regarding CC, this is a decision being made by Team Correa, meaning his wife has a big influence and it's not a pure baseball decision. There is ego involved in the contract and some cities are going to be more desirable for Team Correa to live in than others. I don't see Detroit in the picture unless they clearly make the highest offer.

Would love to be wrong on this, but I think it's pretty obvious. Now, what would Crane do if we had won the WS this year and Carlos was WS MVP? Probably still the same decision but that would have been hard for him to do.

SW-14 said:

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AggieLit said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I think the only way we land Correa is by giving him an Arenado type deal (8 year/ 260 M). Front-loaded with opt-outs in years 2, 3, and/or 4. It offers long term security for Correa is he declines by still being 8 ears long, but also lets him earn big bucks now, keep winning, and a chance to hit the market again at a young age to try and get even more money.

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When you sit down with him, you have two baseball cards sitting on the conference table. A Babe Ruth and a Lou Gehrig, both maybe 1933 Goudey Gum. You say, "Carlos, Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig were the two legends of the Yankees in the 1920's. We think you and Jose Altuve are the two legends of the Astros in the 2020's. We see a lot of Octobers for you two to make this happen. We know you may be offered a bit more money elsewhere, but we want to make you a legend. $260M, plus the cards."

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*rolls eyes*

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Teams do gimmicky stuff to get into players' heads. The Yankees gave Cole a contraption that had a model of Yankee stadium and an ipad with questions and answers about the Yankees...

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Regarding CC, he and Crane have talked. It's clear that Crane will not offer more than 5, maybe 6 years in this situation. It's a philosophical position and the correct one and we should be glad we finally have an owner that understands baseball.

Also regarding CC, this is a decision being made by Team Correa, meaning his wife has a big influence and it's not a pure baseball decision. There is ego involved in the contract and some cities are going to be more desirable for Team Correa to live in than others. I don't see Detroit in the picture unless they clearly make the highest offer.

Would love to be wrong on this, but I think it's pretty obvious. Now, what would Crane do if we had won the WS this year and Carlos was WS MVP? Probably still the same decision but that would have been hard for him to do.

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You think Crane saying they could make an exception to the no long-term contract policy for Correa is lip-service? I tend to think-so, but Crane has said that policy isn't set in stone.

"I never count anything out….We have a history of doing something in the neighborhood of five (years) is the most we've ever done since I've been here," Crane said. "Things can change. We're not counting it out."

Source.

If you guys remember back to the 2017 season thread, and even earlier, there was always a discussion going on about not being able to keep all of our young stars and who would we sign and who would we let walk. It really came down to Correa vs Springer in that year's discussions and there seemed to be near complete agreement we would let Springer go and sign CC. The thought was we could only keep one but would sign the other. The key was winning a WS while the core was together and we did.

It sucks that we're losing both of those guys the organization and the scouts have done an excellent job in finding replacements good enough to keep us in contention for annual playoff appearances for the next several seasons.

At this point there is no reason to think Correa is staying. I have little to no faith that he will re-sign here, but if he does I will be insanely happy.

That was still when there was a chance CC was going to shine in the WS and get us a ring.

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Vaya con Dios, Carlos. Who would you like to see replace him? (Taken from Wabs' link on pg.2) Who would we be even able to afford if the tax is lowered?

SHORTSTOPS
Carlos Correa (27, 6.6 WAR)
Marcus Semien (31, 7.8 WAR)
Trevor Story (29, 6.0)
Corey Seager (28, 5.5)
Javier Bez (29, 3.6)
Jos Iglesias (32, 2.6)
Freddy Galvis (32, 2.0)
Andrelton Simmons (32, 0.0)
Pete Kozma (34, 0.0)
Deven Marrero (31, 0.0)
Andrew Romine (36, -0.3)
Diaz / Bregman
Pedro Leon
Jeremy Pena

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I personally think Baez is exactly the type of guy we need to replace CC, assuming moneys right and he cuts down on strikeouts.

We need more attitude in the clubhouse to recharge ****, get people hating us more. I think he brings that.

Texaggie7nine said:

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That was still when there was a chance CC was going to shine in the WS and get us a ring.

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True, and for the record, I don't think CC is coming back as an Astro. I predict he will get a 10 year deal between $300-$350M with an organization that is close to becoming a contender.

Teddy Perkins said:

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3 Toed Pete said:

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Regarding CC, he and Crane have talked. It's clear that Crane will not offer more than 5, maybe 6 years in this situation. It's a philosophical position and the correct one and we should be glad we finally have an owner that understands baseball.

Also regarding CC, this is a decision being made by Team Correa, meaning his wife has a big influence and it's not a pure baseball decision. There is ego involved in the contract and some cities are going to be more desirable for Team Correa to live in than others. I don't see Detroit in the picture unless they clearly make the highest offer.

Would love to be wrong on this, but I think it's pretty obvious. Now, what would Crane do if we had won the WS this year and Carlos was WS MVP? Probably still the same decision but that would have been hard for him to do.

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You think Crane saying they could make an exception to the no long-term contract policy for Correa is lip-service? I tend to think-so, but Crane has said that policy isn't set in stone.

"I never count anything out….We have a history of doing something in the neighborhood of five (years) is the most we've ever done since I've been here," Crane said. "Things can change. We're not counting it out."

Source.

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Your question is a good one.

I think Crane hates losing his young core stars and has agonized over CC and considered it. It had to kill him watching all of those Springer Dingers in Toronto in the few games GS played. In the end, an 8-10 contract for $300M limits what else the club can do and he knows the smart move is to pass. He said it was possible, he wants to, but in the end he will pass. Just my guess.

I sure hated waiting out that Carlos Lee contract because Drayton wasn't going to do anything else those last couple of years. It's the difference between having a real baseball guy owning the club and a grocery magnate that never should have gotten involved in the Lee negotiations.

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Nino Brown said:

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Vaya con Dios, Carlos. Who would you like to see replace him? (Taken from Wabs' link on pg.2) Who would we be even able to afford if the tax is lowered?

SHORTSTOPS
Carlos Correa (27, 6.6 WAR)
Marcus Semien (31, 7.8 WAR)
Trevor Story (29, 6.0)
Corey Seager (28, 5.5)
Javier Bez (29, 3.6)
Jos Iglesias (32, 2.6)
Freddy Galvis (32, 2.0)
Andrelton Simmons (32, 0.0)
Pete Kozma (34, 0.0)
Deven Marrero (31, 0.0)
Andrew Romine (36, -0.3)
Diaz / Bregman
Pedro Leon
Jeremy Pena

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I personally think Baez is exactly the type of guy we need to replace CC, assuming moneys right and he cuts down on strikeouts.

We need more attitude in the clubhouse to recharge ****, get people hating us more. I think he brings that.

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Do you remember the mess he made by basically giving the fans the finger in NY? He's not a good team guy. I don't want that cancer on the team. He's Carlos Gomez 2.0.

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Until he finds a home. You have no clue what is said to players in NY from the bleachers.

Who do you think Carlos Correa will suit up for next season? #MLBTonight pic.twitter.com/L1H9ehCVI4

— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) November 4, 2021

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Nino Brown said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Nino Brown said:

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Vaya con Dios, Carlos. Who would you like to see replace him? (Taken from Wabs' link on pg.2) Who would we be even able to afford if the tax is lowered?

SHORTSTOPS
Carlos Correa (27, 6.6 WAR)
Marcus Semien (31, 7.8 WAR)
Trevor Story (29, 6.0)
Corey Seager (28, 5.5)
Javier Bez (29, 3.6)
Jos Iglesias (32, 2.6)
Freddy Galvis (32, 2.0)
Andrelton Simmons (32, 0.0)
Pete Kozma (34, 0.0)
Deven Marrero (31, 0.0)
Andrew Romine (36, -0.3)
Diaz / Bregman
Pedro Leon
Jeremy Pena

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I personally think Baez is exactly the type of guy we need to replace CC, assuming moneys right and he cuts down on strikeouts.

We need more attitude in the clubhouse to recharge ****, get people hating us more. I think he brings that.

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Do you remember the mess he made by basically giving the fans the finger in NY? He's not a good team guy. I don't want that cancer on the team. He's Carlos Gomez 2.0.

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Until he finds a home. You have no clue what is said to players in NY from the bleachers.

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If what the home fans say is enough to set him off, he would not survive a road game with the Astros. He'd melt down before April was over.

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I'm excited about Peña and Leon but don't want to assume they will pan out. If we are going with a rookie SS then I'd like to upgrade at either catcher or an OF spot.

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Explain that to me...we have Machete and Castro under contract and in the OF we have Tucker, Brantley/Yordan, Meyers, Chas and Siri...

I don't believe in Chas, Meyers or Siri. You can move Tucker to CF for a year if need be to make room for a RF.

As for catcher, you think it's that hard to dump Castro and make Machete platoon?

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I don't believe in Chas, Meyers or Siri. You can move Tucker to CF for a year if need be to make room for a RF.

As for catcher, you think it's that hard to dump Castro and make Machete platoon?

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If Korey Lee continues to push upward like he has been, I could see Castro getting moved at the deadline or just released and Lee taking over as the backup and late inning pinch hitter for Maldy

MaxPower said:

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I don't believe in Chas, Meyers or Siri. You can move Tucker to CF for a year if need be to make room for a RF.

As for catcher, you think it's that hard to dump Castro and make Machete platoon?

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Machete will be the primary catcher next year no matter what. I know, his offense leaves a lot to be desired, but he has proven too valuable behind the plate, and if Dusty is retained, he's not letting him go. It's entirely possible that Castro may be a trade chip at the deadline next year and Korey Lee gets called up (kinda like they did with Straw / Meyers).