***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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I think Dana is lying when he says they haven't talked to them
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EastCoastAgNc said:


The more and more I look at it, pitching will probably be our strength assuming we don't have another unusual injury year. If anything we'll have a lot more arms than spots for 2025. Hopefully that leads to quality.

Top 4 of the Starting Rotation most likely includes
Hunter Brown
Ronel Blanco
Framber Valdez
Spencer Arrighetti
all made 28 starts last year


5th starter potentials
We added RHP Hayden Wesneski

Luis Garcia should be back healthy.
Lance McCullers Jr. is definitely maybe.

Potential pitching prospects
RHP Ryan Gusto
LHP Colton Gordon


Known in the pen
Innings 8 & 9 Bryan Abreu and Josh Hader

Inning eaters (Time on 40 man roster)
Tayler Scott
Bryan King
Kaleb Ort
Shawn Dubin
Forrest Whitley
Nick Hernandez
Luis Contreras
Rafael Montero
Steven Okert
Miguel Castro


Should be back 2026 from injury
Cristian Javier from Tommy John surgery and J.P. France from shoulder surgery.
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We're seriously considering Altuve in LF?? Heyward still out there. Sign him for cheap. I was impressed with what he gave us last year.

Edit: He also bats left, which is a need.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


What the hell did he expect.

It's like a manager hiring your replacement and asking you to train them.
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I've been pushing for heyward on a veteran minimum all off-season
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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Mr.Bond said:

I've been pushing for heyward on a veteran minimum all off-season
With $30M of Bregman dollars you can sign several small dollar guys and afford to cut a couple and eat the salary after spring training after you see them work out and chemistry.
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Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.
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Is Boras the one who advised JD Drew to skip a year of MLB and re-enter the draft? Seems like he hasn't changed much, if so.
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The difference is it's a guy in a position 99% of people are not in with unknown ambitions beyond his playing days.
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Beat40 said:

Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.


And yet where are those offers for 6 years @ 30M per year?

You either get more years, less AAV, or less years, more AAV.

Alex wants both and doesn't have both. Which option do you pick? The highest total contract in your desired location seems good enough to me. Him dragging this out is unrealistic and greedy
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AggiEE said:

Beat40 said:

Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.


And yet where are those offers for 6 years @ 30M per year?

You either get more years, less AAV, or less years, more AAV.

Alex wants both and doesn't have both. Which option do you pick? The highest total contract in your desired location seems good enough to me. Him dragging this out is unrealistic and greedy

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Exactly. He isn't getting 6 years at 30 per. Stamping his feet and repeating what he wants over and over isn't going to get him there. Should have hit >.200 in April-May 2024 if he wanted that. Its time to get real about it and recognize that he can probably have 3 at 30 per or 5 at 26 per and pick which one makes him happy.
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AggiEE said:

Beat40 said:

Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.


And yet where are those offers for 6 years @ 30M per year?

You either get more years, less AAV, or less years, more AAV.

Alex wants both and doesn't have both. Which option do you pick? The highest total contract in your desired location seems good enough to me. Him dragging this out is unrealistic and greedy

I'm not saying there are those offers. I'm saying I understand why he's holding out for those offers. It's really, really easy for us to sit here and say, "oh you should take this because what does an extra $24MM really matter to you when you already have $250MM." I'm showing people that it actually matters a lot.

I agree he needs to face reality. If I were him, I'd pick the less AAV for double the years (assuming the less years more AAV is 3 years).

I disagree dragging it out is greedy. Him dragging this out is out of touch with his current reality.

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Beat40 said:

AggiEE said:

Beat40 said:

Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.


And yet where are those offers for 6 years @ 30M per year?

You either get more years, less AAV, or less years, more AAV.

Alex wants both and doesn't have both. Which option do you pick? The highest total contract in your desired location seems good enough to me. Him dragging this out is unrealistic and greedy

I'm not saying there are those offers. I'm saying I understand why he's holding out for those offers. It's really, really easy for us to sit here and say, "oh you should take this because what does an extra $24MM really matter to you when you already have $250MM." I'm showing people that it actually matters a lot.

I agree he needs to face reality. If I were him, I'd pick the less AAV for double the years (assuming the less years more AAV is 3 years).

I disagree dragging it out is greedy. Him dragging this out is out of touch with his current reality.




It's greedy because we are weeks away from ST and he is not getting the offers he wants.

The longer he pisses the Astros offer away, the more risk we pull the offer and move on, and then he needs to scramble with a much shorter term deal that could ultimately lower his expected lifetime earnings substantially.

There's a lot of risk at play, and he's playing with fire at this point. A bird in the hand…
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Not bringing back Heyward has been the most frustrating thing for me this offseason. Seems like such an obvious move.
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Prosperdick said:

RC_57 said:

What always comes to my mind when thinking of a long term deal for Bregman is the Stros ending up with another Abreu situation.
I don't think Alex will fall off a cliff like Abreu did plus we know Alex's real age whereas Abreu was likely 2-3 years older so this contract wouldn't get him to age 38-39, which is what Abreu was.

That said, I still wish we would offer just a 4 year deal and give him the $30 million he wants.



I should have been more specific in that my concerns are with the Astros being burdened by a high salary/low ROI hit on the payroll.

But yea, agree it's more of an apples and oranges comparison

Thanks
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Red Sox fans everywhere just had a heart attack followed by a brain aneurysm
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Beat40 said:

Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.
You're wrong. Your assumption is he signs the contract and poof, he magically gets that extra $24MM the day he signs it. If that was the case, yes, it would grow to $39MM in your example above. It doesn't work that way so the number is considerably lower.
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AggiEE said:

Beat40 said:

AggiEE said:

Beat40 said:

Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.


And yet where are those offers for 6 years @ 30M per year?

You either get more years, less AAV, or less years, more AAV.

Alex wants both and doesn't have both. Which option do you pick? The highest total contract in your desired location seems good enough to me. Him dragging this out is unrealistic and greedy

I'm not saying there are those offers. I'm saying I understand why he's holding out for those offers. It's really, really easy for us to sit here and say, "oh you should take this because what does an extra $24MM really matter to you when you already have $250MM." I'm showing people that it actually matters a lot.

I agree he needs to face reality. If I were him, I'd pick the less AAV for double the years (assuming the less years more AAV is 3 years).

I disagree dragging it out is greedy. Him dragging this out is out of touch with his current reality.




It's greedy because we are weeks away from ST and he is not getting the offers he wants.

The longer he pisses the Astros offer away, the more risk we pull the offer and move on, and then he needs to scramble with a much shorter term deal that could ultimately lower his expected lifetime earnings substantially.

There's a lot of risk at play, and he's playing with fire at this point. A bird in the hand…
Totally agree...it would be one thing if 3-4 teams were in a bidding war for his services. They aren't. It's VERY likely at this point our initial offer will be the best one he gets despite what that dumbass Boras thinks.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


Red Sox fans everywhere just had a heart attack followed by a brain aneurysm




Id kick this dude in the dick if I was a sawx fan.


Guessing this eliminates Boston for bregman?
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Prosperdick said:

Beat40 said:

Prosperdick said:

n_touch said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


This is absolutely laughable at this point. He is going from being the face of a franchise and having his number in the rafters with statues outside the stadium for years to come to being hated by the entire fanbase for 2 mill a year over 6 years.

I am not sure what is going on here. You would think ego of having a lifetime of people look at you as a great would be well worth 12 million dollars when you will make over 200 million in your playing career.
He's made a little over $100 million already in his career and that doesn't include whatever he's getting through marketing and licensing deals with his products.

He will end up earning well over a quarter of a billion dollars and he's going to piss away his goodwill with the fans who supported him through the scandal, basically give up his salsa deal as nobody will buy it, and ruin his legacy all over a sum of money which would account for less than 5% of his career earnings.

The term galactically stupid comes to mind.


$24MM (the difference of $30M vs $26M per year for 6 years) invested for 10 years at 5%, no other factors withstanding and not adding to it is approx $39MM.

Let's say he retires at the end of this 6 year deal. He takes $24MM less today, that's $39MM less in 16 years. What are Alex's goals in 16 years? Either way ~$39MM 16 years from now is not a number to scoff at. That'd be more than 10% of his total earnings 16 years from now.
You're wrong. Your assumption is he signs the contract and poof, he magically gets that extra $24MM the day he signs it. If that was the case, yes, it would grow to $39MM in your example above. It doesn't
work that way so the number is considerably lower.
When he has the $24MM doesn't matter. The math on $24MM invested at 5% for 10 years is ~$39M. If he had it on day 1 and invested it then for those terms or waited until he got it all at the end of the 6-year contract and invested it then for those terms, the $24MM would turn into $39MM. It was just a simplified example taking only the $24MM into account. In my example I assumed he would have all the $24MM at the end of the 6-year contract and then invested it all at that time for 10 years, which is 16 years down the road.

In reality, he would invest $4MM the first year, $8MM the second year, $12MM the third year, etc until the 6th year. At the end of the 6 years, he'd have all $24MM plus the interest he's earned over the 6 years. Doing the calculation on that amount for the 10-year terms of my example would turn it into more than $39MM.
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Mr.Bond said:

Guessing this eliminates Boston for bregman?


This was my first thought as well.
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Toro is not stopping Boston from signing Bregman. The difference between the Red Sox & Bregman's valuation of Bregman is what is stopping Boston.
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Which guys in the BP have options left?
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Sorry if already discussed, but have we talked about Randal Grichuk as an OF option? Market value is around $3 million according to Spotrac, and he posted an .875 OPS last year. He's not a lefty bat, but I noticed that he hit RHP fairly well. He could make some sense... and he's from Rosenberg, TX.
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Just to mix it up from the Bregman slog.

Thinking about our competition... who "protects" Judge. Who will stop teams from throwing him nothing but junk looking for chase?

Player - 2024 wRC+ / 2025 Projection (OOPSY-Streamer Avg)
Judge - 218 / 184
Stanton - 116 / 127
Chisholm - 110 / 114
Wells - 105 / 106
Goldschmidt - 100 / 113
Cabrera - 88 / 94
Volpe - 86 / 98
Dominguez - 84 / 111
LeMahieu - 52 / 94

I guess the answer is Stanton, but I don't think his body lets him play more than 3/4 of the season.

If you ask the same question about Yordan, you find several solid options.

Player - 2024 wRC+ / 2025 Projection (OOPSY-Streamer Avg)
Alvarez - 168 / 176
Altuve - 127 / 119
Walker - 119 / 123
Paredes - 117 / 122
Diaz - 117 / 119
Caratini - 113 / 106
Pena - 100 / 107
Meyers - 86 / 97
McCormick - 66 / 104
Trammell - 34 / 102
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One last comment I have on Bregman for a while: I don't think the Astros are losing one second of sleep over how things are playing out, and I for one am glad the Astros put themselves in the position to not have to need a guy like Bregman, but rather to decide they can have him or not.

Kind of a breath of fresh air.
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Marvin said:

Sorry if already discussed, but have we talked about Randal Grichuk as an OF option? Market value is around $3 million according to Spotrac, and he posted an .875 OPS last year. He's not a lefty bat, but I noticed that he hit RHP fairly well. He could make some sense... and he's from Rosenberg, TX.

Agreed - I've always liked Grichuk and would love to see him in an Astros uniform. He always hits well in Minute Maid and he would probably be happy to play near his home town. Too bad he's not a switch hitter.
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TRM said:

Which guys in the BP have options left?
Honestly, no idea. Good question.

And I don't have time this afternoon to look. I wasted too much time putting together the list earlier already.
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I don't think Grichuk solves that much. Righty bat.

Lefty is really the priority right now I believe. I've heard Verdugo's name mentioned a few times but not Grichuk.
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100% agree

That's why I don't think they're really chomping at the bit and highly doubt they're taking the 'Shlt or get off the pot' mentality that many fans are.
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texasaggie2015 said:

I don't think Grichuk solves that much. Righty bat.

Lefty is really the priority right now I believe. I've heard Verdugo's name mentioned a few times but not Grichuk.
At this point, I'm in the camp that is in favor of bringing in Verdugo and Polanco. Tell Bregman thanks for the memories, and best of luck getting the contract you're looking for elsewhere
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texasaggie2015 said:

I don't think Grichuk solves that much. Righty bat.

Lefty is really the priority right now I believe. I've heard Verdugo's name mentioned a few times but not Grichuk.

That's why I said I wish Grichuk was a switch hitter - having another left handed hitter is obviously a priority. I've also been a supporter of signing Verdugo.
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