Ohtani Cy Young Watch Thread

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AggieEP said:

I keep thinking that he can't keep doing this, and yet he keeps doing it. It's going to be such a great race to watch through the summer to see Sanchez, Miz and Ohtani battle for the CY. Ohtani is close to getting his average back over .300, just ridiculous that he could simultaneously be a .300 hitter and carry a sub 1.00 ERA.

Not sure if it'll happen or not, but there is a chance for Skenes and Ohtani to face off next week in Pittsburgh. If that happens, I'm going to find a way to try and be there. (I live in Indiana)

What an awesome matchup.

As great as Ohtani has been, is he even top 3 in he NL right now? The first 1/3 of the season has been ridiculously deep in Cy candidates.
AggieEP
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I'd probably have him number 3 right now behind Sanchez and Miz, but with the caveat that if he finishes with an ERA below 1.00 he wins the award even if he doesn't qualify for the ERA title.

He's going to finish like 50 innings behind Sanchez which is pretty significant in terms of pitching value.

I'm going to be really curious if he asks the Dodgers to start letting him go out more often so that he can hit 162 innings and qualify. Right now he's on pace for like 150, so they'd need to get him probably 3 extra starts to make sure he gets there.
AggieEP
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Ohtani pitched well through 6, and if they had taken him out then he probably gets the W and the ERA is still well under 1.00. But he gave up 2ER and one unearned run in the 7th and then the bullpen imploded and cost him the win as well.
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Was watching it and thought 90 pitches? Get this dude out of there. I think he's chasing that Cy Young so intently that they made a dumb move to keep him in to get innings
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1-hit complete game shutout for the Miz tonight
LawHall88
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W said:

1-hit complete game shutout for the Miz tonight



AggieEP
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One of the best pitched games in baseball history. I was surprised when I first saw he went 9, then saw the pitch count and realized just how dominant he was.

If the voting were held today I think Misiorowski is now the CY leader with Ohtani and Sanchez pretty even for 2nd.

One thing to keep an eye on will be Misiorowski's load in the 2nd half. I think there is a good chance the Brewers taper him at some point to make sure he's fresh for the playoffs. This will easily be the most innings he's ever thrown so they will want to manage him. I also bet that they are the ones that trade for Skubal, they have the farm system to do it and running out Skubal and Miz in a series gives them a really good chance to win the WS.
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AggieEP said:

One of the best pitched games in baseball history. I was surprised when I first saw he went 9, then saw the pitch count and realized just how dominant he was.

If the voting were held today I think Misiorowski is now the CY leader with Ohtani and Sanchez pretty even for 2nd.

One thing to keep an eye on will be Misiorowski's load in the 2nd half. I think there is a good chance the Brewers taper him at some point to make sure he's fresh for the playoffs. This will easily be the most innings he's ever thrown so they will want to manage him. I also bet that they are the ones that trade for Skubal, they have the farm system to do it and running out Skubal and Miz in a series gives them a really good chance to win the WS.

I just keep waiting for his arm to just separate from his shoulder at some point.
Farmer1906
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NL Cy Young Watch

Ranked by fWAR
1. Misiorowski - 4.2 WAR, 1.45 ERA, 2.04 xERA
2. Sanchez - 3.8 WAR, 1.80 ERA, 2.96 xERA
3. Skenes - 2.6 WAR, 2.86 ERA, 2.61 xERA
4. Burns - 2.5 WAR, 2.00 ERA, 2.91 xERA
5. Ashcraft - 2.5 WAR, 3.18 ERA, 3.00 xERA
6. Ohtani - 2.5 WAR, 1.47 ERA, 2.71 xERA
7. Sale - 2.4 WAR, 2.14 ERA, 3.45 xERA
8. Yamamoto - 2.3 WAR, 2.65 ERA, 3.35 xERA
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13. Miller - 2.0 WAR, 0.87 ERA, 1.18 xERA

I would say Miz is starting to create a little distance in a very crowded field. Sanchez #2 and then a group mixed in at 3-9.

Don't sleep on Miller's season. If he can keep pace with his first half, then he's going to own one of the best reliever seasons of all time. Since 2000, only 14 seasons have hit 3.0 WAR.
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AgRyan04
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And PCA got bat on it!
AggieEP
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Misioroski's kind of running away with this thing now, but it's a long season and he has to stay healthy. I think it's cool he throws 105, but that can't be sustainable long term, have to think he'd be better served to dial it back to 98 and dominate the edges rather than just gas up 105 down the middle like he did in the above clip.
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It makes more of a difference than you expect.

Batters vs 98
.309 xwOBA
25.9 Whiff Rate

Batters vs 99
.290 xwOBA
26.0 Whiff Rate

Batters vs 100+
.218 xwOBA
32.8 Whiff Rate


EliteElectric
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AggieEP said:

Misioroski's kind of running away with this thing now, but it's a long season and he has to stay healthy. I think it's cool he throws 105, but that can't be sustainable long term, have to think he'd be better served to dial it back to 98 and dominate the edges rather than just gas up 105 down the middle like he did in the above clip.

I love watching this kid pitch but worry about his long term arm health. Nolan Ryan's don't grow on trees
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AgRyan04
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My son and I share a fantasy team and have Miz and we had a real conversation a couple weeks ago about thinking of how to best offset him for the last 6-8 weeks of the season because he's either going to be on the IL or the Brewers are going to limit his work as they get closer to clinching a playoff spot
AggieEP
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For sure, it makes a difference. No arguments on why someone would want to throw 105 to minimize batter success. But the other part of the equation is availability and we just haven't ever seen someone throw that hard this consistently without eventually getting hurt.

He's basically 21 year old Kerry Wood right now, and we all remember that Kerry was done starting by 27 and essentially washed up.
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