Infinite money loops to the moon

Furlock Bones said:

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Infinite money loops to the moon

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You pledge to give me a loan of a million, I'll pledge to loan you $2 million, then you give me $3 million, etc...

Then we can borrow off of all of our loan assets! Genius! We will save this economy singlehandedly.

Proposition Joe said:

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tysker said:

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The current labor pool (employed + unemployed and looking) is about 170.8 million people. The labor participation rate is about 62.5%. Sorry if I'm not overly concerns with the 2 million fast food workers (FTEs? I remember when many of those jobs were filled by part-time labor and high schoolers) that may be automated away over the next 10 years.

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Ignoring that you should be worried what 3 million people who will soon be unemployed are going to do (revolt? welfare? steal? None of it's good for society as a whole)... you think fast food is the only industry this is going to happen with?

My question still stands -- if the common assumption is "new industries will be created", I ask again -- where? Are we just banking on some new industry that needs massive physical labor/presence to come along in the next few years because "its always sorted itself out historically"?

This isn't me sounding the alarm, this is me just pointing out that we're about see a shift that we've never seen before. They will be interesting times.

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The moon- the only place we have left to build.

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Proposition Joe said:

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tysker said:

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The current labor pool (employed + unemployed and looking) is about 170.8 million people. The labor participation rate is about 62.5%. Sorry if I'm not overly concerns with the 2 million fast food workers (FTEs? I remember when many of those jobs were filled by part-time labor and high schoolers) that may be automated away over the next 10 years.

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Ignoring that you should be worried what 3 million people who will soon be unemployed are going to do (revolt? welfare? steal? None of it's good for society as a whole)... you think fast food is the only industry this is going to happen with?

My question still stands -- if the common assumption is "new industries will be created", I ask again -- where? Are we just banking on some new industry that needs massive physical labor/presence to come along in the next few years because "its always sorted itself out historically"?

This isn't me sounding the alarm, this is me just pointing out that we're about see a shift that we've never seen before. They will be interesting times.

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The moon- the only place we have left to build.

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We? Sit this one out unemployed inferior meat sack!

Yesterday's vst buys worked out pretty well...

GeorgiAg said:

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Furlock Bones said:

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Infinite money loops to the moon

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You pledge to give me a loan of a million, I'll pledge to loan you $2 million, then you give me $3 million, etc...

Then we can borrow off of all of our loan assets! Genius! We will save this economy singlehandedly.

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by god, you have yourself a deal sir.

Proposition Joe said:

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tysker said:

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The current labor pool (employed + unemployed and looking) is about 170.8 million people. The labor participation rate is about 62.5%. Sorry if I'm not overly concerns with the 2 million fast food workers (FTEs? I remember when many of those jobs were filled by part-time labor and high schoolers) that may be automated away over the next 10 years.

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Ignoring that you should be worried what 3 million people who will soon be unemployed are going to do (revolt? welfare? steal? None of it's good for society as a whole)... you think fast food is the only industry this is going to happen with?

My question still stands -- if the common assumption is "new industries will be created", I ask again -- where? Are we just banking on some new industry that needs massive physical labor/presence to come along in the next few years because "its always sorted itself out historically"?

This isn't me sounding the alarm, this is me just pointing out that we're about see a shift that we've never seen before. They will be interesting times.

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I'd suggest they won't be as interesting as you might think.

1. We won't have 3 million (or more) jobs disappear all at once, overnight. It might take 15-20 years for your vision to become reality, due to capital constraints by company, limited resource bandwidth, lack of available technical expertise, meddling by the government, etc.

2. There are literally millions of jobs available TODAY that "needs massive physical labor/presence to come along in the next few years". Now, they happen to be in construction, agriculture, meatpacking, landscaping, childcare, healthcare/nursing and paramedical, and others, where population demographics and the drastic reduction in undocumented alien workers available will manifest itself. Will Americans be willing to do the work that GWB said "Americans just aren't willing to do"? I dunno, but my guess is free-market economics will make these jobs more attractive with better pay/benefits (and corresponding inflation). Example: With a few exceptions, I don't think anyone ever really wanted to work as a roustabout or roughneck, but if the rewards are commensurate with the risk, people will gladly do that work.

If you agree with my assertion that this happens over a 10+ year timespan, there's PLENTY of time for retraining, education, and retooling one's vision of what a "good job" entails. Contrary to your post, we HAVE seen this before, and it all worked out. The market WILL correct it, unless Trump or other politicians succeed in not letting things naturally sort out.

ReturnOfTheAg said:

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My mind is telling me to sell a big chunk of POWL here.

Up 131%

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I just sold Dec 19, 2025 covered calls with a strike of $430 for $39.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but saying "we have seen this before and it all worked out" is like a sample size of maybe 3-4 major inventive/economic disruptions.

AMSC is up 9% on the day so far and they don't even report earnings until after the bell today. Somebody knows something.

I was really smart and sold POWL at $356.

Not complaining, still took a profit. And market timing is impossible.

I'm not a huge 'bubble' guy or 'crash is imminent' guy...but I pulled an additional good chunk off the table. Mainly NVDA and AMD.

El Chupacabra said:

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I'm not a huge 'bubble' guy or 'crash is imminent' guy...but I pulled an additional good chunk off the table. Mainly NVDA and AMD.

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I'm just slowly moving my portfolio away from 80% equities / 20% bonds or stable value.

Now I'm at 70/30.

As it goes up and risk to the downside grows I'll put more in stable value at what amounts to 60/40 , then perhaps 50/50 at most

GeorgiAg said:

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I was really smart and sold POWL at $356.

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I have sold 2 chunks one at 360 and another just now at 410.

Can't complain with a cost basis of $165. Still have a decent chunk in it though.

Been selling GOOG on the way up too, but still hold a bunch as I think they knock out earnings. Now sitting on 10% cash frome selling the last 2 weeks.

Haven't sold MSFT though I think they make a big chunk after earnings.

Risk to the downside doesn't inherently grow with a growing market.

I had pulled a bunch out a couple weeks ago and missed this huge leap. What I kept was crypto influenced and has done poorly. Frankly this feels like it's peaking and just waiting on bad news to take a 15% dump so I'm hesitant to buy back in anywhere, even something as simple as VOO seems risky at the moment short term.

flashplayer said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I was really smart and sold POWL at $356.

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Same here, but I am not sweating it. Still think there's a good chance we get a buying opportunity below where we sold.

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Sold my last shares around $352 for a 50%+ gain. With how crazy this market is, I was happy to lock it in. You never know what will happen, especially since it went down over 50% the last time it hit $350.

South Platte said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I was really smart and sold POWL at $356.

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Depending on when you got it, that's not a bad exit point at all. Lots of people sold sub $300. The last few days is inexplicable.

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sold a $400 covered call (11/21 expiry) a couple weeks ago that I thought was free money...welp, nevermind.

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Bloom Energy announced revenue of $519 million, a 57.1% increase year-on-year that surpassed analyst estimates by over 23%. The company's profitability also showed marked improvement. Adjusted earnings per share came in at $0.15, which was 50% higher than the consensus forecast

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BE is having a heck of a day.

Damn there goes the market after Powell said this.

BREAKING: Fed's Powell: December cut is not for sure, far from it.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 29, 2025

Bought that SOXL dip. I think it rallies back to a daily high, or close to it.

Also bought some TNA.

Good entry point for FIG here. Has had pretty good support at these levels the last two months.

Touchless said:

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Good entry point for FIG here. Has had pretty good support at these levels the last two months.

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You may end up being right, but that's a dangerous thing to assume about a stock that hasn't even been on the market for six months. I think it still has room to fall.