Silicon Valley Bank

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Work for a tech start up based out of the Bay with lots of promise, but will be impacted by this chaos.

All Hands pushed today because of CEO & CFO have to be on site to sign paperwork.

We had a rif on Tuesday. Interested to see how this goes down.
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CuriousAg said:

Work for a tech start up based out of the Bay with lots of promise, but will be impacted by this chaos.

All Hands pushed today because of CEO & CFO have to be on site to sign paperwork.

We had a rif on Tuesday. Interested to see how this goes down.
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Silicon Valley Bank is shut down by regulators in biggest bank failure since Global Financial Crisis (msn.com)
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And those trades were planned back in January when they were disclosed as part of a 10b-5 filing.
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jh0400 said:

And those trades were planned back in January when they were disclosed as part of a 10b-5 filing.
uh huh
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Here's a good account of what happened. It's behind a paywall, but the summary is that most of their customers are tech cos that are still burning cash. When funding exploded in 2020-21, the bank had more deposits than it could loan out so it bought Treasurys. Rates went up, and valuations (company and bond) went down. As customer withdrawals outpaced deposits due to continued cash burn in aggregate, they had to sell the assets at a loss to cover the customer withdrawals. In hindsight, a slower pace of liquidation may have avoided this, but it appears management thought they were doing the prudent thing in shoring up the balance sheet in advance of perceived withdrawal demand. This makes sense if you expect rates to continue to rise as it locks in the losses instead of letting them linger and grow.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/10/what-the-flying-heck-happened-to-svb/
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txaggieacct85 said:

jh0400 said:

And those trades were planned back in January when they were disclosed as part of a 10b-5 filing.
uh huh


Public co officers can't trade their own company stock at their discretion. From the Form 4:

Remarks:
These transactions reported were effected pursuant to a Rule 10b5-1 trading plan entered into by the reporting person effective January 26, 2023.
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oops. maybe the CEO can give some of the millions he made to this poor lady

Tech CEO with at least $10M in Silicon Valley Bank locked out of account (nypost.com)
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https://finance.yahoo.com/screener/insider/BECKER%20GREGORY%20W

Hes been on a bit of a selling spree lately.
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So while he's working on selling out, he's does this little song and dance on CNBC to keep the stock propped up

SVB CEO Greg Becker: I am happy 2022 is over and we are 'optimistic' looking ahead (cnbc.com)
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Tldr:

i'm ****ed.
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Its been coming for a while - lots of discussions on finance groups over the last several weeks among CFO's, Treasurers and VP's of Finance at VC funded companies around how to get their money out before a collapse.
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CuriousAg said:

Work for a tech start up based out of the Bay with lots of promise, but will be impacted by this chaos.

All Hands pushed today because of CEO & CFO have to be on site to sign paperwork.

We had a rif on Tuesday. Interested to see how this goes down.
Hope you get your next paycheck.

I also work in tech so godspeed.
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Ripple effects from SVB....payroll processors that used them cannot pay people...





ETA - there is also something going on with direct deposits into Wells Fargo accounts and it makes me wonder if SVB is somehow involved there as well.
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One of my employees has a side gig and the payroll company for that is Patriot something or other and there was definitely some issue with WF and direct deposits overnight.

Edit: yeah Patriot Payroll uses (used?) SVB...he just texted me.
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superunknown said:

One of my employees has a side gig and the payroll company for that is Patriot something or other and there was definitely some issue with WF and direct deposits overnight.

Edit: yeah Patriot Payroll uses (used?) SVB...he just texted me.
Yeah, I'm wondering if the people who are saying their money disappeared saw the "preview" of the expected deposit and then it disappeared when the money didn't actually hit the account (due to the payroll issues related to SVB).
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Silicon Valley is a disaster as is most of California
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WF told my dude they'd honor the payments he did yesterday (anticipating his direct deposit) without NSF charges. I don't have the app on my phone and I haven't checked online either but I used a WF ATM earlier with no issues.
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This is just the beginning of the fed rate hikes and QT "breaking stuff". They are in a hell of a fix this time. Going to be interesting to see what they do this time. In 08 they were able to slam rates back to 0 and start QE. I suspect they will do that again and let inflation run. Inflation is the more subtle way to destroy wealth.
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Best summary I've seen so far.

- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021.

- As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!) in mortgage backed securities (MBS) with these deposits for their hold-to-maturity (HTM) portfolio.

- 97% of these MBS were 10+ year duration, with a weighted average yield of 1.56%.

- The issue is that as the Fed raised interest rates in 2022 and continued to do so through 2023, the value of SVB's MBS plummeted. This is because investors can now purchase long-duration "risk-free" bonds from the Fed at a 2.5x higher yield.

- This is not a liquidity issue as long as SVB maintains their deposits, since these securities will pay out more than they cost eventually.

- However, yesterday afternoon, SVB announced that they had sold $21bn of their Available For Sale (AFS) securities at a $1.8bn loss, and were raising another $2.25bn in equity and debt. This came as a surprise to investors, who were under the impression that SVB had enough liquidity to avoid selling their AFS portfolio.

SVB was focused on managing excess cash + services rather than providing risky lending (a function performed by VCs). By stretching assets so far in the risk spectrum to have a super long balance sheet duration even considering the liability skew

- VCs messaging their portfolio companies and spreading panic will lead to a morbid bank-run that could have been prevented (maybe?)

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WSJ says US Treasury's not MBS. But same principal. They have a bunch of Long-term assets that have declined in market value. Their liabilities are being called (customer Deposits are liabilities), and they have to raise cash to pay them. Raising cash involves selling those assets for huge losses.
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It was MBS.

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Roku says they had 487 billion, or about a quarter of their cash reserves, in SVB.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/03/10/roku-says-26percent-cash-reserves-stuck-in-silicon-valley-bank.html
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I'm at a competitor bank that lends in the tech space. All it takes is one event like this that isn't really even related to unwind the nonsense of the stupid money and stupid lending practices that have been going on in the tech space the last 5 years. It was just a matter of time.
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lunchbox said:

Ripple effects from SVB....payroll processors that used them cannot pay people...





ETA - there is also something going on with direct deposits into Wells Fargo accounts and it makes me wonder if SVB is somehow involved there as well.


Holy ***** Rippling is our payroll company.

Guess I'm not getting paid.

This is why you have emergency savings.
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lunchbox said:

superunknown said:

One of my employees has a side gig and the payroll company for that is Patriot something or other and there was definitely some issue with WF and direct deposits overnight.

Edit: yeah Patriot Payroll uses (used?) SVB...he just texted me.
Yeah, I'm wondering if the people who are saying their money disappeared saw the "preview" of the expected deposit and then it disappeared when the money didn't actually hit the account (due to the payroll issues related to SVB).


I never got a reimbursement from my company that should have hit before now so I'm betting it's in limbo.
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YouBet said:

lunchbox said:

Ripple effects from SVB....payroll processors that used them cannot pay people...





ETA - there is also something going on with direct deposits into Wells Fargo accounts and it makes me wonder if SVB is somehow involved there as well.


Holy ***** Rippling is our payroll company.

Guess I'm not getting paid.

This is why you have emergency savings.


I'm glad you didn't buy my watch
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Dies Irae said:

YouBet said:

lunchbox said:

Ripple effects from SVB....payroll processors that used them cannot pay people...





ETA - there is also something going on with direct deposits into Wells Fargo accounts and it makes me wonder if SVB is somehow involved there as well.


Holy ***** Rippling is our payroll company.

Guess I'm not getting paid.

This is why you have emergency savings.


I'm glad you didn't buy my watch


You dick!
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We discovered yesterday that Silicon Valley Bank had unexpected solvency challenges.
Nice
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One of the best summaries of the issues with SVB

Startup Bank Had a Startup Bank Run

TLDR: They were unusually exposed to interest rate risk through both their lending practices and customer base.
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But there is another, subtler, more dangerous exposure to interest rates: You are the Bank of Startups, and startups are a low-interest-rate phenomenon. When interest rates are low everywhere, a dollar in 20 years is about as good as a dollar today, so a startup whose business model is "we will lose money for a decade building artificial intelligence, and then rake in lots of money in the far future" sounds pretty good. When interest rates are higher, a dollar today is better than a dollar tomorrow, so investors want cash flows. When interest rates were low for a long time, and suddenly become high, all the money that was rushing to your customers is suddenly cut off. Your clients who were "obtaining liquidity through liquidity events, such as IPOs, secondary offerings, SPAC fundraising, venture capital investments, acquisitions and other fundraising activities" stop doing that. Your customers keep taking money out of the bank to pay rent and salaries, but they stop depositing new money.
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Also, I am sorry to be rude, but there is another reason that it is maybe not great to be the Bank of Startups, which is that nobody on Earth is more of a herd animal than Silicon Valley venture capitalists. What you want, as a bank, is a certain amount of diversity among your depositors. If some depositors get spooked and take their money out, and other depositors evaluate your balance sheet and decide things are fine and keep their money in, and lots more depositors keep their money in because they simply don't pay attention to banking news, then you have a shot at muddling through your problems.
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There you have your job losses Mr. Powell.
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https://nypost.com/2023/03/10/roku-warns-487m-held-in-deposits-with-silicon-valley-bank/

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