Dividends ETFs

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abram97 said:

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And ULTY hits $1.3 billion. It is rocking. This guy has an entire Substack devoted to ULTY. Interesting reading. Lots of charts and graphs.

https://theboldux.substack.com/

I'm cautiously very excited about ULTY. The prospectus and the actions taken to date show it simply works and works damn well so far. More so than most of the more legacy single underlying funds. Performance to be determined long term of course is yet to be seen.



What do you think of MSTY? I do think the payouts are even better - becoming less but it beats all the other income models.

I'm in both. MSTY has had a great run as MSTR and Bitcoin have had a great run. But, MSTY only plays options on MSTR. ULTY holds 15-30 different stocks at any given time and has the freedom to dump poor performers and pick up new ones. Likewise, if something tanks, their entire NAV presumably won't tank with it. Thus, from a diversity standpoint I think ULTY is the better buy right now. However, I do own MSTY also. And SMCY.
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Eliminatus said:

techno-ag said:

And ULTY hits $1.3 billion. It is rocking. This guy has an entire Substack devoted to ULTY. Interesting reading. Lots of charts and graphs.

https://theboldux.substack.com/

Performance to be determined long term of course is yet to be seen.



This is true. Everyone is waiting to see what happens to it in a bear market. A lot of folks appear to have limits set to bail out in case of a sudden drop. In the meantime though, we're happy to collect that distribution. It was a hair over ten cents/share on Friday.
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I've been buying ETHA with the speculation it'll produce dividends. If/when I think it'll be a top tier dividend etf hold.
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abram97 said:

Eliminatus said:

techno-ag said:

And ULTY hits $1.3 billion. It is rocking. This guy has an entire Substack devoted to ULTY. Interesting reading. Lots of charts and graphs.

https://theboldux.substack.com/

I'm cautiously very excited about ULTY. The prospectus and the actions taken to date show it simply works and works damn well so far. More so than most of the more legacy single underlying funds. Performance to be determined long term of course is yet to be seen.



What do you think of MSTY? I do think the payouts are even better - becoming less but it beats all the other income models.

I started dabbling in YM funds last fall not thinking too hard into them. I fully recognized how they worked and risks involved. Still do. Fully cognizant most are riding the BTC high (I am MSTY heavy) and the recent bull run, dangers of NAV decay, and a sustained bear market. Not to mention these are not long term funds in the main.

That being said, it is hard for me to not dump more and more into it. I feel like I am playing it pretty conservatively still and per last payouts, this has essentially replaced my frantic job searching since I got laid off over a year ago. Still looking of course, but now I have room to breathe and damn is that such a luxury. Hell, by end of year if nothing drastic changes in the markets, my annual distributions will likely exceed my expected annual compensation if and when I do land a job. Especially if I let ULTY take charge from here on out which I fully plan to do. Two August payouts for MSTY will be very nice in that regard. Though that would offset my plan to go netfree on MSTY ASAP. But I am close regardless.

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techno-ag said:

Eliminatus said:

techno-ag said:

And ULTY hits $1.3 billion. It is rocking. This guy has an entire Substack devoted to ULTY. Interesting reading. Lots of charts and graphs.

https://theboldux.substack.com/

Performance to be determined long term of course is yet to be seen.



This is true. Everyone is waiting to see what happens to it in a bear market. A lot of folks appear to have limits set to bail out in case of a sudden drop. In the meantime though, we're happy to collect that distribution. It was a hair over ten cents/share on Friday.

Agreed. I am not "chugging the koolaid" per se, but I kind of want to, to be honest. For this particular point in my life, YM has been amazing. Now, I just need to make sure I start building an offramp of sorts. I went in just tossing the dice on black and it worked out so far. By year end, I really need to figure out how to consolidate it so if and when the market poops itself, I won't follow in its footsteps. Napkin plan as of now.

Steps:

  • Buy YM funds
  • Reinvest distributions
  • ???
  • Profit now
  • ???
  • Profit longterm
  • Shoot guns and git beeches, forever
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Personally I think I'll diversify some distributions into UNG. Gas is cyclical and cheap rn during the summer. Other long term ideas are SGOV, SCHP, and maybe something like RSSX or GDX.
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I tried SCHD for the last month and sold this morning. It was outperformed by others on my watchlist
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It's struggled but I'm keeping mind. It's a bit of a hedge vs a mag 7 collapse in my mind
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Yukon Cornelius said:

It's struggled but I'm keeping mind. It's a bit of a hedge vs a mag 7 collapse in my mind
Emirates?

I only had a $1G in it. I figured that money was better placed in my Roth.
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I have done as much reading as I can find available on the YieldMax ETFs. I am looking at ULTY due to the diversification. The only thing giving me pause is that this truly sounds too good to be true. I've tried to figure out what I'm missing besides the obvious risk of NAV decay especially in a bear market. If this thing can hold, I'll be holding $0 cost basis shares in 62 weeks (at $6.20 get-in). NAV decay will win in the end, right?
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Any thoughts on bito? Ex div date tomorow
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98PercenterAg said:

I have done as much reading as I can find available on the YieldMax ETFs. I am looking at ULTY due to the diversification. The only thing giving me pause is that this truly sounds too good to be true. I've tried to figure out what I'm missing besides the obvious risk of NAV decay especially in a bear market. If this thing can hold, I'll be holding $0 cost basis shares in 62 weeks (at $6.20 get-in). NAV decay will win in the end, right?

I've DCA'd in the $6 range for a few months now. No regrets so far. If I lose everything I'll survive. I'm throwing in additional funds that would have gone elsewhere but this seems a more productive use of the money. The Lord has blessed and things seems to be working out so far with ULTY.

What you see on Reddit is people taking out HELOCs or big unsecured loans and dropping it in there. That's a bad idea with any one stock IMO.
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PDI, pays monthly, currently around 13.8.... especially attractive to accumulate on any dips, yw!
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Any opinions on QQQI and ISPY
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98PercenterAg said:

I have done as much reading as I can find available on the YieldMax ETFs. I am looking at ULTY due to the diversification. The only thing giving me pause is that this truly sounds too good to be true. I've tried to figure out what I'm missing besides the obvious risk of NAV decay especially in a bear market. If this thing can hold, I'll be holding $0 cost basis shares in 62 weeks (at $6.20 get-in). NAV decay will win in the end, right?

After putting about 75k in 4 of them 4Q of last year and dripping each month since, I'm beginning to realize that. msty, cony, nvdy, tsly.
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I am pretty happy with $CLM & $CRF. Sure they don't pay as much as $ULTY, which a I also have, but have been really regular.

Way better than any HYSA out there right now.

Also have a very few shares in YMAG & YMAX, but will try and add a bit as I can DCA into them. I have some GTC orders in Fidelity hoping for a little bit lower cost, since I have nowhere close to 100 shares in any of them.

$FEPI has been good to me so far as well, ~25% yield

Of course I have some dogs like $RC, $PSEC, $IVR that are down 30-50+%. Oh well, I can always sell them at a loss to counter some of my short term CG's.
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Just remember, these YieldMax and equivalent funds are not regular investments. In an IRA, they should be compared to other holdings in terms of total return (cash-on-cash), not capital gain/loss or income. They're not better or worse, just different. For after-tax funds, I'd avoid them, unless you are looking for something that returns income to you quickly, despite longer-term decay.

When I buy one of these, I've been pairing it with medium-term puts as a hedge. This is somewhat helpful psychologically, but I use it due to none of them having much of a track record.
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I wonder what the a back dated test would like if you took the dividends from these yieldmax and bought corresponding puts with the money.

Looking at these Ymaxes the principal on them have been brutalized.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

I wonder what the a back dated test would like if you took the dividends from these yieldmax and bought corresponding puts with the money.

Looking at these Ymaxes the principal on them have been brutalized.

Efficient markets theory would say that's priced in to the puts you buy, but I believe it's also too early for the market to price the risk/volatility/decay accurately. To make matters worse, it differs quite a bit by underlying security, I'd imagine. You can't easily and mathematically generalize Yieldmax funds on XOM or NVDY or AAPL, for example. I did have early success (good risk/return tradeoff) on puts on TSLY and NVDY, but less so on AMZY and ULTY.
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Makes sense
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Are you still happy with these two?

PDI
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YM announced a few days ago that all their ETFs are going to weeklies. Even their single holding ones. Massive change in their prospectus and of course the chatter has been, why? Obvious answer I think has to be to combat the obnoxious NAV decay and help settle investor nerves. It mostly worked for ULTY after all. Just an FYI for those who dabble in it.

Starting Oct.14th new schedule will be as:


Group 1 ETFs
  • Distributions declared every Tuesday, starting on Tuesday, October 14
  • Ex/Record Date every Wednesday, starting on Wednesday, October 15
  • Payment Date every Thursday, starting on Thursday, October 16
    • YieldMax Fund-of-Funds ETFs (YMAX, YMAG)
    • YieldMax Dorsey Wright ETFs (FEAT, FIVY)
    • YieldMax Ultra ETFs (ULTY, SLTY)
    • YieldMax Portfolio ETFs (LFGY, CHPY, GPTY)
    • YieldMax 0DTE ETFs (QDTY, SDTY, RDTY)
Group 2 ETFs
  • Distributions declared every Wednesday, starting on Wednesday, October 15
  • Ex/Record Date every Thursday, starting on Thursday, October 16
  • Payment Date every Friday, starting on Friday, October 17
    • YieldMax Single-Stock Option Income ETFs (ABNY, AIYY, AMDY, AMZY, APLY, BABO, BRKC, CONY, CRCO, CVNY, DISO, DRAY, FBY, GDXY, GMEY, GOOY, HIYY, HOOY, JPMO, MARO, MRNY, MSFO, MSTY, NFLY, NVDY, OARK, PLTY, PYPY, RBLY, RDYY, SMCY, SNOY, TSLY, TSMY, XOMO, XYZY, YBIT)
    • YieldMax Short Single-Stock Option Income ETFs (FIAT, CRSH, DIPS, YQQQ, WNTR)

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Great news there
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I've been dabbling in the Roundhill ETF's (HOOW, PLTW, WPAY) the last 2 months or so. So far they have been incredible. No NAV decay so far....actually I'm up in all three and the dividends have been phenomenal. They are 1.2X leveraged swap agreements so they do not cap your upside. They can hurt you a little more in a downturn but I really believe in the underlying companies long term. Its also very nice with these weekly payers..... You can get paid every day of the week if you wanted to.

Also bought some bitcoin ETF's BCCC, BLOX, and BTCI. I have them on DRIP in my retirement account,,,,they are weekly payers. BLOX is half BTC-ETH and half equities. It has been very solid with no NAV erosion and it pays a pretty consistent 36%. Keep stacking!
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Wow, nice fish, will look into those definitely. I'm pretty much stuck with my YM account and the decay, so I'm long on those and will try and ride them out, but may put some of yours into our IRAs.
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Ive been buying more SCHD shares than my norm with them being so low currently
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Aggie Dad 26 said:

Ive been buying more SCHD shares than my norm with them being so low currently

I have been pouring $$ into SCHD. I think this is one of the few indexes that are at a discount right now.
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What made POWL shoot up today?
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I agree with you both and have been doing the same.
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I'm scooping up SCHD as much as possible very undervalued at the moment


Once interest rates drop and AI bubble starts to deflate a little you will see people putting more of their money back into value stocks

That being said I still have a good portion in SCHG and SPLG for growth also
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I sold my ULTY holdings. The drop in NAV was not bothering me until it got down in the low $4 range. Bear in mind that anything under $3 will carry a 100% margin requirement, and lose a lot of institutional support. And, the payout which had held at a steady 9 cents/share every week for so long, started going down. YieldMax has said it's a candidate for a reverse split, something they've held back on up till now. So it's tax harvest season and I started selling in batches until they were gone. I do miss the Friday boost to my account balance.

Here's my update on other holdings and what I'm looking to buy next after my wash sale time limit expires.

MSTY has dropped in NAV, too. I don't hold as many shares, and it's in a tax-free account, so whatever income it provides goes to buying more stuff in that account. I'll likely keep these shares to zero, although they've surprised me in the past by bouncing in value. This was truly a buy and forget, primarily because it's in a tax-free account.

TSYY plays options on certain ETFs that use leverage with Tesla, it's not actually leveraged itself. I bought in when it dropped into the $9 range this summer. It's currently in the $6 range and flirting with high $5s on occasion lately before bouncing back up into the $6s. Its current payout has fallen, too, to around 16 cents/week lately. I'm holding, neither adding nor subtracting shares right now. I don't have a whole lot in comparison to what I held of ULTY.

SMCY has probably done the best among my holdings. Its NAV was in the $15-18 range for most of the year. Like the others, it's plummeted since the start of November. It moved to weekly with all other YieldMax products earlier this year and has been paying anywhere from 16-33 cents every week. Holding, but considering adding more since it's down in the $9 range at the moment. We'll see how it's doing next month.

I had the mistaken notion that ULTY would do better holding its bag of different stocks. The single stock focused option ETFs have actually done better, in terms of NAV and keeping their distributions up. This was unexpected and I think it surprised a lot of people. While ULTY was in the $6 range and paying out 9 cents a week per share, it's AUM rose to $3 billion. When the NAV went down to the $5 range a bunch of people left. I think its AUM went down to $2.5 billion that week. Like I said, I stayed until the $4s and 6 cents/week payouts. Maybe they'll recover with the reverse split to something resembling their former glory. Anyway, it highlights the fact that with risky stuff like this, it's not set it and forget it. You've got to keep an eye on things because today's darling can quickly fall out of favor.

After my wash sale time period is up, I'll be on the hunt for something to replace ULTY, so here are some of the ones I'm looking at. First up is YMAX. Right now it's in the $10 range and has been distributing 10-17 cents every week. It is their fund-of-funds and gains income from all their options ETFs. I never bothered with them in the past because ULTY did so much better, but that is no longer the case. YMAX has sort of proven itself. It stayed in the $12-13 range for most of the year, and is still going relatively strong, so it says a lot for them. I'll reconsider buying it in the future.

Specific stocks ETFs that actually hold the underlying are getting a strong second look. Right now I like COIW, a Roundhill product that owns COIN stock and makes calls on it. If you put its chart side-by-side with COIN, it follows pretty closely. So, when COIN goes down, it goes down. But when COIN goes up, it goes up too, as its NAV is directly tied to COIN. This one is a strong contender. We'll see where the price is when my 30 days are up.

YSPY is a GraniteShares product and has held its share price very nicely over the year in the $19-20 range, only recently dipping into the $18 range. Pays out 16-19 cents a week. I like the stability and the price is very nice right now.
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