Market Turmoil: What's Your Move?

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jetescamilla
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With everything going on; tariffs today, a pause tomorrow, next thing you know we're buying Greenland. Markets feel like they're all over the place. There's global friction against the U.S., political agendas stirring uncertainty, and just general unpredictability.

So what's the move here? Are you shifting out of stocks and into bonds? Are there sectors like energy, utilities, or commodities that seem like a better play right now? What about real estate or international markets? Anyone looking at alternative places to store investments? Or do you just ride it out, knowing the market always bounces back in the long run?

For some reason, this particular financial blip has me more concerned than I was during COVID. That felt like a worldwide phenomenon, but this seems like it could have more direct and lasting consequences for the U.S. economy. Personally, I'm filtering a little out of my tech mutual funds and increasing my bond and international allocations.

What's the TexAgs crystal ball say? Adjust and adapt or just sit tight and let it ride? Curious to hear what others are thinking.


Gordon Bombay
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Always be buyin- it's my coping mechanism
txaggie_08
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I'm just letting it ride and continuing to buy. I don't want to have to be right twice - selling and then buying back in - because when the market decides it's ready to reach for new ATHs, usually the first moves are the biggest.
FobTies
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It's starting to look like tarriffs are more about Trump booking a win on border security and fent. Moreso than a prolonged trade war to rebalance trade. Stock market jitters, WSJ criticism, and inflationary impact may cause Trump to change course or focus more on DOGE stuff.

On the other hand, we need to stop kicking can down road and an early reset and correction could put us on the right fiscal path, with a possible boom at the backend of his term. Short term pain, for long term gain.

Until we get more clarity, its uncertainty and a bear market. IMO.
TxAG#2011
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Gonna be buying as much as I can
PA24
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Curl up into fetal position
HECUBUS
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Like a Zoo meltdown, take a week off.
JohnClark929
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Staying diversified and allocated for my risk profile but a bit heavy on cash, short-term tips, International stocks, and AI tech stocks.
NoahAg
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I'm just a caveman. I keep buying and hoping for the best. I actually never sell anything.
DannyDuberstein
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Anything I don't need for 5 years (which is basically everything):




Stats like this help embolden me to stay in given I'm long-term:

https://www.hartfordfunds.com/practice-management/client-conversations/managing-volatility/timing-the-market-is-impossible.html

Tormentos
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Here is my play....

1) I made millions in the market by DCA in over years and year since 2002. Don't forget time is your friend...if you are reading this and young you shouldn't be radically changing your positions or going cash.

2) I continue to DCA weekly into BTC. I am net free on multiple coins and continue to DCA in regardless of the market. I would recommend all get some exposure to BTC at this point.

3) Some of my crypto is in FBTC...I have been very successful in this volatile market selling covered calls...over the past 4 month I am now 20/20 on positive covered calls trade netting ~20% annualized additional return on my position. Once again...continue to drive down your cost positions on thing you want to hold long term. This is a grind but adds up over time. I do this on other longer term holds as well.

4) For cash positions I have been actively swinging in/out of TLT. For example, past few weeks netted a 8% gain in TLT in a matter of weeks....that would have been the gain of that cash position in 2 years. I am now beginning to re-enter as it has pulled off recent high. Just an idea of how to get better return in a tough market.

5) In December I changed jobs and had a decent 401K from my last employer transition over to my IRA. That has been sitting in cash and this week have started to drip back in..we are now at ~ 10% drawdown in QQQ.

4) Finally....my best advice on broader allocations is to use RATIO charts. Run 5 year WEEKLY charts with ratios of major indices to adjust your allocations across your portfolio. I use the information from these longer term RATIO charts to IDENTIFY trends in market outperformance and then base drive decisions on broader allocations / ETF sector exposure. These are not short term trades, thing more along the lines of positioning for longer term.

SPY / QQQ - SPY breaking to the upside on a long term downward trend since '23, I would tend to have more allocation towards SPY right now until QQQ resumes a trend of over performance. Very similar look to '20-'22 on this ratio chart.

SPY / VVIAX (Value) - value stocks continue to touch on a long term trend since breakout in 2022. I am not allocating anything to value ETF now but it is getting close to breaking...something to watch

SPY / SCHG (Large Cap Growth) - SCHG been overperforming SPY since '23....though recently SPY trying to to reverse this trend...once again something to watch on allocation shift in your portfolio.

SPY / IWM (small caps) - SPY been over performing IWM since '21. I see nothing intriguing on this chart to warrant a substantial position in IWM...gotta be patient and see if a the trend/setup changes.

XLY / SPY and XLP / SPY - Both had some recent outperformance compared to SPY though XLY has broken down. Gotta continue to be patient, not heavy in this yet but watching to see where this ratio goes next. Similar move over the past months with XLF, though I excited that earlier in the week.

Anyways I think you get the idea....I do this analysis weekly for SPY and QQQ against all the major sectors (XLY, XLC, XLU, XLK, XLE, XLF, IWM, RSP, blah blah blah). Every weekend I go over new charts and get grounded and see if I want to make any allocations shifts.

One more thing....after doing the above and identifying what sector/market index I want to have more allocation towards...I well then do daily screens/chart reviews for outperforming individual stocks to swing trade. At the end of the day though these are much smaller trades than the larger allocations above. Recent example...I went heavy in XLF....and then went heavy into BRK.B. Have excited those trades now but both did well using the methodology above.

Kenneth_2003
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In March of 2020 (yeah) I was in the middle of consolidating two IRAs from a previous employer 401k and some cash from inheritance to a new management company. Look, I know how some feel about paying someone (or a firm), but I have better things to do with my time and I recognize my sell side strategy is awful...

I continue to add to the taxable brokerage account, usually quarterly. I can't add to the IRA s (Roth and traditional), due to income limitations and the pro rate rule.

In 5 yrs I've nearly doubled twice.
As luck would have it I'm moving the last funds over to management from a small "play" brokerage now. Closed it out a week ago and the paper check arrived yesterday (cheaper than the wire fees).

I'm 44. I have time. Buy! Buy! Buy!
FobTies
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As long as there are millions of 401K accounts slapping the S&P bid at every paycheck, there won't be a historic crash. IF that starts to get disrupted in any meaningfull way by a perfect storm of boomer retirement and job automation, it could get scary.

jamey
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I sold a chunk of my stuff a few weeks ago and buying it back now

ARKG/XBI
IBIT
IGV
TLT
XLU

Decided not to get back into chips.
pfo
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I'm adding a little bit to my stocks on heavy down days:
META
CRWD
TSLA
SE
BSX

The Trump administration is as pro business as it gets. The lower interest rate trend will be more important to stock returns than tariffs will be. The $1.5 trillion in new American investment by Apple,Taiwan semi and others will increase GDP by 1.5%. I think we are nearing the end of this correction.
OldArmyCT
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I've lost way more dollars selling than I ever have by holding or buying. And if you want to make money you need to be buying during times like this.
YouBet
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Back in Dec/Jan we shifted our risk profile down a level and went from about 90/10 equities / fixed income to 75/25. Two main reasons:

1. We already have more than enough to retire on and wanted to protect more of what we have. IOW, we could afford to be less risky.

2. The debt concerns me. Our spending is out of control with no end in sight. Something has to give. No idea when it will but felt it was time we could dial it back a little and try to at least mitigate some of that impending mess. (I have zero faith we will cut spending that matters so this drives my outlook.)

Regarding international, the professionals are bearish here and have been for some time. I have my allocation towards it but I haven't put anything new in it in some time. If we are not in great shape, the rest of the world is in terrible shape.
Old McDonald
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Tormentos said:

Here is my play....

1) I made millions in the market by DCA in over years and year since 2002. Don't forget time is your friend...if you are reading this and young you shouldn't be radically changing your positions or going cash.
this a million times over. i made mine by living below my means and DCA every spare penny i had into index funds, regardless of the market conditions. discipline and time will make you wealthier than the rare well-timed trade.
Tumble Weed
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Buying physical gold/silver | TexAgs
Tex117
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Its this. Its the easiest strategy in the world if you are patient and disciplined.

El Chupacabra
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Always be buying.

Regular buys in 401/403, roths, and 529s.

Taxable brokerage, that is also my emergency fund, buy regularly when opportunity presents itself.

I have an IRA that I rolled an old retirement account into recently. I'm buying daily a handful of stocks, ETFs, and mutual funds.
El Chupacabra
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Check my numbers here: DRIP Returns Calculator | Dividend Channel

Pretend you're the worst market timer in the last 25 years, and you have little trust in the market, but that is what the cool kids do with their money, so you occasionally join along.

Around May of 2000, you're convinced by your bros to buy this new fangled ETF thing called QQQ. You already hate the market, especially them computer and internet stocks, so you don't put all your money in QQQ, you buy some SPY as well. You've got a few bucks saved from your job and from grandpa's will. On June 1, 2000 your order for $25k SPY and $25k QQQ goes through. A few months later you're sickened and you swear off the market.

Years later, after socking money away in your safety deposit box, you open your account. You're pleasantly surprised the account has recovered. The market is getting back to highs, your bros are bragging about their accounts. They convince you to put another $25k in each. Your order goes through October 1, 2007. Again, a few months later, you look at your account in utter dismay that your money is getting wiped out. Screw them bankers!

A decade plus goes by. Your CDs and 'high yield' savings are paying nothing. You finally start 'believing' in the market again. You cash in a few CDs you and the wife have built up, in February of 2020 you buy another $25k of each SPY and QQQ. Dammmmmmit, not again.

You've successfully top ticked the 3 biggest dumps in the last 25 years. You're about as bad of a market timer as anyone has ever been.

Congratulations, your $75k of SPY is now worth (as of today's close) about $315,000 and your $75k of QQQ is worth $470,000. You've got over $750k saved and you bought the highs at the time and never bought the lows and never got a 401k match.

Kenneth_2003
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Didn't check your precise numbers, but I've seen several YouTubers run similar scenarios and the results are the same. Your thesis holds.

Time in the market beats timing the market.

For reference. The pundits and talking heads are doom and glooming. Do you recall the market pull back last August when the Japanese Yen went through an issue? All major indexes are still above August 2024 lows.
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