Blair stayed too long

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BQ_90 said:

aggiedrjdub said:

Looks like Florida's coach is building something special in Gatorland.

Was so happy to see a vintage GB and Aggie basketball win last night.
And she's the interim head coach, isn't she?
That's a great question. I do not know the answer to that. If she is interim, I bet she's not interim much longer.
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aggiedrjdub said:

BQ_90 said:

aggiedrjdub said:

Looks like Florida's coach is building something special in Gatorland.

Was so happy to see a vintage GB and Aggie basketball win last night.
And she's the interim head coach, isn't she?
That's a great question. I do not know the answer to that. If she is interim, I bet she's not interim much longer.

Yes, she's the interim. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see her and Miss St's coach offered their respective interim jobs on a permanent basis.
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aggiedrjdub said:

BQ_90 said:

aggiedrjdub said:

Looks like Florida's coach is building something special in Gatorland.

Was so happy to see a vintage GB and Aggie basketball win last night.
And she's the interim head coach, isn't she?
That's a great question. I do not know the answer to that. If she is interim, I bet she's not interim much longer.
just looked it up, she is. I gotta think she'll get the job. Esp with the year they are having.
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Rudybryan said:

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I don't mind thanking him and honoring him, that doesn't change the fact that he's stayed a few years too long. You are missing the point of the subject line.

We all agree Blair has done wonders, both good and bad. The current wonder is how bad of shape the program is in moving forward….
If he stayed to long as you suggest that is not a Blair problem that is an AD problem if he agreed with you and didn't act. Go on his blog and give him hell.
Our problem was our "Manage your expectations" AD who should have made a change.
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Houstonag said:

Reading this discussion is an example of two totally different perspectives on how a program should work. One where a program is overall mediocre, shows up, competes as Slocum use to say and keep going. Then a program that is intent on being competitive in the top 10 year after year and actually being in the final four 40 to 50 % of the time. I blame the administration as much as a coach. We have done this many times with coaches for fear to terminate a coach when the elements of a program are trending down.

One important parameter is recruiting. Another is how to manage the energy and effort of the players. We are slow, make too many mistakes, do not get back to the opponents goal, etc. Another is chemistry on the team.

I am of the opinion that the error in the women's program started years ago and the administration just did not do their job. It will take 3 years at least to bring this program back even with the benefit of a new proven coach who has the talent and energy to recruit and manage as well as coach a top 10 program.
You are definitely my kind of Ag. I agree for the most part. My issue with Blair is that he hurt his program by staying too long, which unfortunately a lot of legendary coaches do because they can't see when the ship is beginning to take on water. Sure, he had a couple of good years in the last 3 seasons, but since everyone knew he could retire at any time, it hurt recruiting and now we are in trouble. Had he retired three years ago when Vic was ready to take the job, we'd be in great shape. Bjork has a very big decision now with Bond or going outside. This is a big hire that we have to get right or we'll be right back where we were before Blair arrived.
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OK all you Blair stayed to longers.........MBB is 15-8 4-6 in conf has lost 6 in a row......how long do we wait?
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I would say one more year or until we can hire someone better.
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aggiedrjdub said:

I would say one more year or until we can hire someone better.
I'd agree with at least one year. We improved Year 1 under Buzz and I think we could've made the semis in the SEC tournament and probably a deep run in the NIT had COVID not canceled the season. I won't penalize Buzz for the covid season. We've improved, but we're still disjointed on offense.
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TRM said:

aggiedrjdub said:

I would say one more year or until we can hire someone better.
I'd agree with at least one year. We improved Year 1 under Buzz and I think we could've made the semis in the SEC tournament and probably a deep run in the NIT had COVID not canceled the season. I won't penalize Buzz for the covid season. We've improved, but we're still disjointed on offense.
Where does that revisionist narrative even come from?

This year Buzz's team isn't likely to go to the NIT and we currently have a NET ranking of 71.

In the year you are talking about we had a NET ranking of 113 with losses to Fairfield and Harvard. We had a couple of good / decent wins but our season was baked before SEC play even started.
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Gap said:

TRM said:

aggiedrjdub said:

I would say one more year or until we can hire someone better.
I'd agree with at least one year. We improved Year 1 under Buzz and I think we could've made the semis in the SEC tournament and probably a deep run in the NIT had COVID not canceled the season. I won't penalize Buzz for the covid season. We've improved, but we're still disjointed on offense.
Where does that revisionist narrative even come from?

This year Buzz's team isn't likely to go to the NIT and we currently have a NET ranking of 71.

In the year you are talking about we had a NET ranking of 113 with losses to Fairfield and Harvard. We had a couple of good / decent wins but our season was baked before SEC play even started.
Early season losses after a coaching change and 6 or 7 new players I can excuse, but we improved dramatically over conference play that 1st year. This year we made an improvement, but we're too inconsistent offensively.
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TRM said:

Gap said:

TRM said:

aggiedrjdub said:

I would say one more year or until we can hire someone better.
I'd agree with at least one year. We improved Year 1 under Buzz and I think we could've made the semis in the SEC tournament and probably a deep run in the NIT had COVID not canceled the season. I won't penalize Buzz for the covid season. We've improved, but we're still disjointed on offense.
Where does that revisionist narrative even come from?

This year Buzz's team isn't likely to go to the NIT and we currently have a NET ranking of 71.

In the year you are talking about we had a NET ranking of 113 with losses to Fairfield and Harvard. We had a couple of good / decent wins but our season was baked before SEC play even started.
Early season losses after a coaching change and 6 or 7 new players I can excuse, but we improved dramatically over conference play that 1st year. This year we made an improvement, but we're too inconsistent offensively.
We did improve in year 1 as we had a NET ranking in the low 200s after much of the non-conference.

And we have improved this year as compared to last but last year we were one of the worst P5 men's basketball programs in the country.

I don't know what that says outside of us having a pretty low bar for a coach we are paying to produce a top 15 program. We are acting like Buzz is a volunteer coach who came over from a local church instead of a guy we are paying almost $25 million over 6 years.
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We just have a very long way to go to be consistently competitive. Buzz has a team of hustlers, but technically they are lacking. How many games have we lost this season because we couldn't hit free throws down the stretch? My expectation for a D1 athlete is that they can hit free throws. Not sure why we are so piss poor with that.
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Gap said:

TRM said:

Gap said:

TRM said:

aggiedrjdub said:

I would say one more year or until we can hire someone better.
I'd agree with at least one year. We improved Year 1 under Buzz and I think we could've made the semis in the SEC tournament and probably a deep run in the NIT had COVID not canceled the season. I won't penalize Buzz for the covid season. We've improved, but we're still disjointed on offense.
Where does that revisionist narrative even come from?

This year Buzz's team isn't likely to go to the NIT and we currently have a NET ranking of 71.

In the year you are talking about we had a NET ranking of 113 with losses to Fairfield and Harvard. We had a couple of good / decent wins but our season was baked before SEC play even started.
Early season losses after a coaching change and 6 or 7 new players I can excuse, but we improved dramatically over conference play that 1st year. This year we made an improvement, but we're too inconsistent offensively.
We did improve in year 1 as we had a NET ranking in the low 200s after much of the non-conference.

And we have improved this year as compared to last but last year we were one of the worst P5 men's basketball programs in the country.

I don't know what that says outside of us having a pretty low bar for a coach we are paying to produce a top 15 program. We are acting like Buzz is a volunteer coach who came over from a local church instead of a guy we are paying almost $25 million over 6 years.
The money thing is absolutely irrelevant. Go ahead and keep bringing it up as it totally invalidates every other point you make.

It's envy not analysis.
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Not at all. We aren't the little sisters of the poor. We are paying an elite, top 15 salary. We have invested additional huge resources in facilities that the players use.

We aren't seeing the results from our investment. Simple point.
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Gap said:

Not at all. We aren't the little sisters of the poor. We are paying an elite, top 15 salary. We have invested additional huge resources in facilities that the players use.

We aren't seeing the results from our investment. Simple point.
They won't fire based on the criteria you are pumping. So it is irrelevant.
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Oops Texas lost again
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I wonder what the metrics are for replacing coaches? Is it a feeling? Are there some objective metrics they use?
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Rudybryan said:

Oops Texas lost again


Saw that Rudy; yet they are still projected as a 3 seed in the tournament. Before the game they were projected as a 2 seed.
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Rudybryan said:

Oops Texas lost again

Yep. 13 straight losses vs. Baylor.

We are 1-12 in our last 13 vs Baylor. FYI.
One day at a time.
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Why can Houston MBB have a great basketball program but we can't?
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aginlakeway said:

Rudybryan said:

Oops Texas lost again

Yep. 13 straight losses vs. Baylor.

We are 1-12 in our last 13 vs Baylor. FYI.



Yep that was up to 2011 and they beat us 3 times that year BUT we kicked their butts in Dallas and went
On to win National Championship
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Rudybryan said:

aginlakeway said:

Rudybryan said:

Oops Texas lost again

Yep. 13 straight losses vs. Baylor.

We are 1-12 in our last 13 vs Baylor. FYI.



Yep that was up to 2011 and they beat us 3 times that year BUT we kicked their butts in Dallas and went
On to win National Championship
Admit it Rudy…there was no way after Baylor beat us twice in season and once in the conference tournament that we were good enough to defeat them or win a national championship. Our fate had been determined and could not be changed.
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greg.w.h said:

Rudybryan said:

aginlakeway said:

Rudybryan said:

Oops Texas lost again

Yep. 13 straight losses vs. Baylor.

We are 1-12 in our last 13 vs Baylor. FYI.



Yep that was up to 2011 and they beat us 3 times that year BUT we kicked their butts in Dallas and went
On to win National Championship
Admit it Rudy…there was no way after Baylor beat us twice in
season and once in the conference tournament that we were good enough to defeat them or win a national championship. Our fate had been determined and could not be changed.


Here's what I'll admit all those loses to Baylor was with Vic as defensive coach
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Nobody beats coach Blair and team 4 times in one season! Baylor won the battle that year; A&M won the war!

You really dislike Vic don't you, Rudy? Lol!
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aggiedrjdub said:

Nobody beats coach Blair and team 4 times in one season! Baylor won the battle that year; A&M won the war!

You really dislike Vic don't you, Rudy? Lol!
Trying to keep the facts straight
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What do we think of Louisville's coach?
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Jeff Walz is 12 out of 14 prior seasons to the NCAAT. Two championship game losses. One additional F4, four additional E8s, four S16. The one other trip was round of 32. Would hire him in a heartbeat. His only knock is he didn't close on a championship and his two finals games were earlier while in the Big East. But I doubt he would recruit Texas all that well at first.
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greg.w.h said:

Jeff Walz is 12 out of 14 prior seasons to the NCAAT. Two championship game losses. One additional F4, four additional E8s, four S16. The one other trip was round of 32. Would hire him in a heartbeat. His only knock is he didn't close on a championship and his two finals games were earlier while in the Big East. But I doubt he would recruit Texas all that well at first.
Yeah - he seems like a solid coach. Louisville is always in the mix. I hate to get political, because to me it doesn't matter - hire the best coach you can find. BUT, I wonder if being a white male will take him out of the running. Again, not a political statement - just an observation based on the times.
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aggiedrjdub said:

greg.w.h said:

Jeff Walz is 12 out of 14 prior seasons to the NCAAT. Two championship game losses. One additional F4, four additional E8s, four S16. The one other trip was round of 32. Would hire him in a heartbeat. His only knock is he didn't close on a championship and his two finals games were earlier while in the Big East. But I doubt he would recruit Texas all that well at first.
Yeah - he seems like a solid coach. Louisville is always in the mix. I hate to get political, because to me it doesn't matter - hire the best coach you can find. BUT, I wonder if being a white male will take him out of the running. Again, not a political statement - just an observation based on the times.
I thought about making a comment on having a female coach, but I also want the highest "lid" that has solid character. Coaches aren't saints, but we expect more. I want to point out I responded to the one coach you brought up. I don't actually have a strong opinion other than don't settle.
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greg.w.h said:

aggiedrjdub said:

greg.w.h said:

Jeff Walz is 12 out of 14 prior seasons to the NCAAT. Two championship game losses. One additional F4, four additional E8s, four S16. The one other trip was round of 32. Would hire him in a heartbeat. His only knock is he didn't close on a championship and his two finals games were earlier while in the Big East. But I doubt he would recruit Texas all that well at first.
Yeah - he seems like a solid coach. Louisville is always in the mix. I hate to get political, because to me it doesn't matter - hire the best coach you can find. BUT, I wonder if being a white male will take him out of the running. Again, not a political statement - just an observation based on the times.
I thought about making a comment on having a female coach, but I also want the highest "lid" that has solid character. Coaches aren't saints, but we expect more. I want to point out I responded to the one coach you brought up. I don't actually have a strong opinion other than don't settle.
I agree 100% - male / female - none of that matters to me. Hire who you think will build on GB's legacy!
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For those saying Blair has been here 6-8 years too long, you're not going to fire the coach that won you a national championship and has you in the Dance every single year, especially given the absolute dog**** state the program was in when he arrived.

Prior to Blair, the furthest this program ever went was the Sweet 16 in '93-'94. We've gone to the Dance 17 times in our history, 15 of them are under Blair (would be 16 without covid). We've been to the Sweet 16, the high mark of our program pre-Blair 9 times, 8 of them are under Blair. Our three Elite Eight appearances, and of course our only Final Four and national championship are all under Blair. If we fired him 6 years ago we miss out on 5 NCAA Tournament appearances (6 w/o covid) and three Sweet 16 appearances, 8 years ago it is 7 Dance appearances and four Sweet 16 appearances.
Blair is easily the greatest women's basketball coach in our program history, if we had a coach like him on the male side we'd be discussing where to put the statues outside the arena.

And you people wanted him out of here 6-8 years ago. Not only do we have entitled fans, we have fans who are too stupid to realize a good thing when we have it. With a coach like Blair, you let him decide when he's going to retire. He's made the decision, so we're going to finish this season out.
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Buzzy said:


For those saying Blair has been here 6-8 years too long, you're not going to fire the coach that won you a national championship and has you in the Dance every single year, especially given the absolute dog**** state the program was in when he arrived.

Prior to Blair, the furthest this program ever went was the Sweet 16 in '93-'94. We've gone to the Dance 17 times in our history, 15 of them are under Blair (would be 16 without covid). We've been to the Sweet 16, the high mark of our program pre-Blair 9 times, 8 of them are under Blair. Our three Elite Eight appearances, and of course our only Final Four and national championship are all under Blair. If we fired him 6 years ago we miss out on 5 NCAA Tournament appearances (6 w/o covid) and three Sweet 16 appearances, 8 years ago it is 7 Dance appearances and four Sweet 16 appearances.
Blair is easily the greatest women's basketball coach in our program history, if we had a coach like him on the male side we'd be discussing where to put the statues outside the arena.

And you people wanted him out of here 6-8 years ago. Not only do we have entitled fans, we have fans who are too stupid to realize a good thing when we have it. With a coach like Blair, you let him decide when he's going to retire. He's made the decision, so we're going to finish this season out.
I'd applaud, but we have a lot of sensitive posters who aren't used in their lives to being called out for their dumb. Some very old Millennials and Gen Z it seems…

Regardless: he's retiring. Accelerating his departure is ungracious though having the opinion he stayed too long just means you have a false, unsubstantiated opinion and you don't care about facts. What can we do? Water board then???
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Bucketrunner said:

I'm confused about the end game.

- You want him fired mid season? Good luck getting a legitimate coach to come to a program acting that unprofessionally.
- Or is this some misguided form of vengeance for not meeting your expectations. None of us are happy with this year's results.

I don't see the purpose in slamming Blair at this point.

Agreed.
I have never seen such goofballs in my entire life as some of the clowns on this site. Blair is not having a great year but he IS the winningest BB coach in this schools history. Yet the majority has gone ape**** because the baseball team has won the very first three game of the season.
[i][b]Time to bring back the Wrecking Crew![/i][/b]
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It's been a frustrating year, and I understand both sides of the argument. I have never been one to call for GB to be fired, although I have questioned our recruiting for quite some time now. It doesn't mean I'm not overwhelmingly thankful for what he has done for the program. Overall, I think we are seeing a reaction to the WBB program in general - we aren't used to being bottom of the barrel in conference. Well, not since GB took over and re-built the program at least.

We will be back; maybe stronger than ever. Hope Ross gets it right with the new hire and that the new coach can recruit his or her socks off.
Gig'em Aggies! c/o '98 W H O O P!
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If would pay attention you would realize why he finally is going to retire after this year
 
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