I will be a Fish next year, and I am joining the COrps. My end goal is to commission as a Naval officer, so I want to do NROTC. I did SNWC with C-2 and generally liked it. But I don't really know how big their unit is (we didn't get to spend much time with them). I would like a fairly good sized unit, and am leaning towards an all-male outfit. If anyone has any experience with C-2, all opinions are welcome. Or if there is another unit you would recommend, feel free.

note: I am looking for a military experience and am not necessarily looking for the unit that parties the most.

edit: I just looked at H-1 also, and that seems like it would be good also.

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C-2 are the unchallenged breakdancing champions of the Quandrangle.



Sorry, could not resist that.

My opinion is 23 years out of date so it probably does not help you but they were a good outfit back then. I know several members of C-2 who are still on active duty today in the and they are good people and still in contact with their old outfit. C-2 has laid (or used to) claim to being the oldest continuously active outfit in the Corps of Cadets though I believe other outfits also make such claims based on different lineage.

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Ulysses, that's awesome. I have noticed that A&M's website says that C-2 has appr. 51-100 cadets. From your experience, is that too many?

This will be helpful too:

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2281661&forum_id=63

Thanks rebel. I haven't really considered E-2. When I did SNWC with C-2, they seemed to not really like E-2. How big of a focus does E-2 have on PT and the military aspect?

Thanks

Well...if it is just an opinion, I would say N-1. But there is nothing wrong with any of the other outfits in the Regiment(s). Definitely nothing wrong with C-2 or H-1.

We're integrated and that might not be a selling point for some people...I didn't bother me really. We had four female buddies start and four female buddies finish. We lost 15 male buddies along the way...the Class of '09 actually had several females, and a lot of them are serving all over the world right now in both the Marine Corps and Navy. I still keep up with most of them since they were "my" fish class.

51-100 cadets is a big variance but it would have been true of every outfit in the Corps when I was a cadet from 1986-90. I thought that my outfit was well sized except for the class ahead of me which had only 9 total and was the smallest class in the outfit in their sophomore year. There were 27 in my fish class on the first day of FOW, 25 when we earned Corps Brass, and 12 of us walked at Final Review four years later. That was typical for the classes ahead and behind mine.

And if you are looking more for the "military" experience, you can find that in N-1.

Thanks all for your input. Any idea where I would find accurate data on how many are in each outfit? TAMU's organizations site just seems to have a generic range for each outfit. I would imagine the larger units would have better leadership, but smaller units would be more "together". I'm sure each has its pros and cons. I wish I still had time to SNWC with H-1, but unfortunately I don't.

Not sure...you might call the Commandant's Office and see if they can direct you in the right direction on outfit numbers.

Perspective on outfit size. When I started, my outfit had 35 or so cadets total. But we still had strong leadership AND the togetherness you would expect from a smaller group. When I was a zip, we had around 70 or so, but still had the same feel.

I can't speak for the way the outfit is now in terms of the "togetherness" aspect, but I don't think either of the traits you listed are going to be entirely dependent on outfit size.

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Thanks. I just figured that the larger the unit, the greater chance that they will have better leaders. But I guess that is a huge assumption, and greatly differs year to year. I emailed the Assistant Commandant of recruiting asking him for information on the size of each. I am also hoping to do Fish Drill team, but I am assuming that won't really factor into which outfit I choose?
Thanks

Starting next fall, one of the Commandant's goals is to bring all outfits to what he calls "right sized" so I would not use size as a determination to which outfit you pick. C-2 is a great outfit that is very family oriented and has a very supportive alumni base.

Well, when I was there, N-1 had a very, very strong FDT connection along with P-2, but you are right in that regard that it doesn't really matter.

Unless you know someone in the corps, you may as well just pick an outfit and let the chips fall where they may. Your buddies will ultimately be the biggest factor in determining how you feel about your outfit, and the opinions you'll get on a message board aren't necessarily trustworthy, including mine.

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Thanks rebel. I haven't really considered E-2. When I did SNWC with C-2, they seemed to not really like E-2. How big of a focus does E-2 have on PT and the military aspect?

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If you join E-2 or C-2, you'll eventually find out why there is a mutual dislike for each other but overall they get along fairly well. I would say H-1 focuses on PT more than most Navy/Marine outfits and all outfits focus on the military aspect so I wouldn't worry about that. The amount of contract cadets (guys planning to go into the military after the graduate) is probably pretty equal across the board and it just varies from class to class as far as how many contract cadets will be in your outfit.

The last thing I'll say is that E-2 is well balanced in all that they do which is a great thing because it means they focus on being great in all areas (PT, drill, off the quad involvement, social activities, etc.). The bottom line is that you will ultimately make your experience at A&M what you want it to be regardless of what outfit you join. Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with E-2.

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Thanks rebel. I haven't really considered E-2. When I did SNWC with C-2, they seemed to not really like E-2. How big of a focus does E-2 have on PT and the military aspect?

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If you join E-2 or C-2, you'll eventually find out why there is a mutual dislike for each other but overall they get along fairly well. I would say H-1 focuses on PT more than most Navy/Marine outfits and all outfits focus on the military aspect so I wouldn't worry about that. The amount of contract cadets (guys planning to go into the military after the graduate) is probably pretty equal across the board and it just varies from class to class as far as how many contract cadets will be in your outfit.

The last thing I'll say is that E-2 is well balanced in all that they do which is a great thing because it means they focus on being great in all areas (PT, drill, off the quad involvement, social activities, etc.). The bottom line is that you will ultimately make your experience at A&M what you want it to be regardless of what outfit you join. Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with E-2.

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YUT!!

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C-2 are the unchallenged breakdancing champions of the Quandrangle

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There's a fine line line between red ass and dumb ass....

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E-2 is a good all around outfit. C-2 is good too but they don't really stand out. N-1 is great but I never understood their FDT fetish. P-2 and S-1 are average. H-1's only redeeming quality is their PT. They can out run anybody, but half of them end up flunking out of college so who cares.

Well, there's B-Company Aggie Band... and then after that, I guess they're all about the same

I'm sure N-1's Fish Drill Team "fetish" was designed at least in part to improve the outfit's drill performance. Frankly speaking, a cadet on the FDT who also makes good grades in a difficult major is probably one of the most disciplined people you'll meet in your lifetime.

S-2 is another NROTC outfit to consider. They were just reformed.

By the way, there should be at least one opportunity for you to visit with cadets from every outfit at a New Student Conference.

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N-1's FDT connection was mostly due to one cadet's involvement when FDT was reformed. It just ballooned from there.

Also look at the newly added Squadron 4. Yes a squadron in the regiments! I have no clue why. However I saw through the corps fb post who the new CO of that outfit is. Remember his dad & remember meeting him a time or two.

Be wary and take all opinions with a grain of salt. Outfits change constantly. 10 years ago E2 was a frat with a dog. In an outfit of 100 people they had 5 guys with contracts - all Amy. C2 and K2 had the most Navy contracts. But, that was 10 years ago and irrelevant... Like all former cadet opinions

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burgermeister, why the hate for E-2?

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bahahahahahahahahaha!

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By the way, there should be at least one opportunity for you to visit with cadets from every outfit at a New Student Conference.

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And at your NSC every outfit you talk to is going to sweet talk you and tell you everything you want to hear. My outfit was one of the ones that was pretty involved with FDT, and I remember telling a prospect that if they want to do FDT my outfit was one of the best for it and that all outfits aren't FDT friendly. They didn't listen, and then came crying to me a couple weeks after FDT started saying their 1st Sgt was making them quit.

Well, that's not substantially different than the opinions given on this board. At least at the NSC, they can get get a feel for the upperclassmen that will actually be in the various outfits.

Of your goal isn't to become the baddest Infanty officer there is then you're failing already. I'm just kidding, there are no badass officers anymore.

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burgermeister, why the hate for E-2?

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I just don't understand the infatuation about a dog.

Don't let anyone tell you that you have to be in a specific ROTC to commission into that branch. For example: my husband was in Sq. 17, an AF outfit, he's now an Army Officer, one of his buddies flies helicopters for the Marine Corps. Be in whatever outfit excites you, regardless of branch, then when it comes time for commissioning, choose your branch then.

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I just don't understand the infatuation about a dog.

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Since she is the mascot of Texas A&M and E-2 is charged with caring for her, it's pretty important to take that responsibility seriously. No need to be jealous.

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No shiite. If you want to join an outfit with a really good chance of not getting disbanded no matter how bad they "dick the dog" (pun intended) E-2 is a pretty safe bet.