Did I hear correctly that fish don't fall out wildcatting onto the quad anymore for march ins? And they just hang around bs'ing with everyone in the crowd as opposed to being locked on?

Lots must have changed since last weekend.

Phew, read a blog from a former CT saying that, this was the case, fish walking on blocks, strolling around outside, etc.

Yea it's pretty limp. But hey, we have more females and more minorities so the corps is doing great, right!!!

Saw way too many Cadets tonight hanging out on the ramps and not attending the game all 4 QTRS. Saw one Female senior this game and last bringing homework with her and working on it on the ramp in the Zone.

Way to best represent being "Keepers of Tradition". Can't even keep cadets in the stands. . .

Ehhhh nothing wrong with skipping games.

A bigger problem I heard about is cadets skipping games. (Don't even get me started about them wearing nonregs in the MSC.) They'll do the march in, walk in, then walk right out when they think no one is looking.

I believe we should have key leaders, or bulls at all exits to the stadium, to prevent anyone from leaving, and also pull the data from the keycard readers outside of the dorm. Knowing the current Commandant's Staff, they probably already do this and way more than anyone realizes.

"If you do things right, no one will know you've done anything at all."

The entire mentality that the Corps has with Tradition is that cadets don't care. After they lost their little t traditions, they threw out their Big T ones as well. Sure, some of the petty bullcrap that outfits were doing is gone, but that's no reason to leave games early, not attend march-ins, skip formations, etc.

I'm sick and tired of the way the cadets are leading themselves in this Corps. Being in a leadership position does not make these guys leaders. They need to step up to the plate to serve their Outfit, their Corps, their University.

I'm a firm believer that cadets should not be forced to attend games. I skipped probably half the games in my time. I'd do the march in and then head back to the dorm. I had a tough major, and I needed all the study time I can get. Not everyone is a football fan.

I hate "mandatory fun".

If you can't give up 20-40 hours per year, perhaps you should give up either the Corps of that major.

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People skipped games in your time, too. I'm sure you have personal knowledge of everyone's individual circumstances. Besides, some people just don't care about sports and specifically football

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A bigger problem I heard about is cadets skipping games. (Don't even get me started about them wearing nonregs in the MSC.) They'll do the march in, walk in, then walk right out when they think no one is looking.

I believe we should have key leaders, or bulls at all exits to the stadium, to prevent anyone from leaving, and also pull the data from the keycard readers outside of the dorm. Knowing the current Commandant's Staff, they probably already do this and way more than anyone realizes.

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Cadets have been skipping games, doing various mandatory march-ins and then sneaking out the back/side door, making up fake excuses, etc. for years. Although I would not have expected it with our current coach, and especially with a game like the Bama game, I guess it's just going to always happen.

I think Corps Staff even did walk-throughs of the dorms after a march-in once. Cadets just learned to get off the quad faster or hide.

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"If you do things right, no one will know you've done anything at all."

The entire mentality that the Corps has with Tradition is that cadets don't care. After they lost their little t traditions, they threw out their Big T ones as well. Sure, some of the petty bullcrap that outfits were doing is gone, but that's no reason to leave games early, not attend march-ins, skip formations, etc.

I'm sick and tired of the way the cadets are leading themselves in this Corps. Being in a leadership position does not make these guys leaders. They need to step up to the plate to serve their Outfit, their Corps, their University.

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Believe it or not, some things never change. It was like this when I was there: A bunch of individuals more concerned about themselves than anything else, and it's most likely going to continue to be like that for years to come.

Just focus on setting a good example for your underclassmen and emphasize the details and why those details are important. People focus too much on the big picture sometimes and once the details are lost, they're lost forever. And if you don't emphasize why, your underclassmen won't think it's important enough to pass down to their underclassmen. And over time that's how you end up with the big WTF is going moments, like when you see cadets in non-regs in the MSC.

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This is exactly the attitude that brings the Corps down and shows Texas A&M that they are beginning to lose their hold as "Keepers of Tradition".

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I'm a firm believer that cadets should not be forced to attend games. I skipped probably half the games in my time. I'd do the march in and then head back to the dorm. I had a tough major, and I needed all the study time I can get. Not everyone is a football fan.

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To be perfectly honest: You should have quit the Corps.

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Yeah, seriously. Why would anyone ever think it's ok to prioritize school over extra-curriculars?

Didn't 90% of nonregs leave in 4th Quarter - judging by TV !

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LOL at the rook troll trying so hard, and no one responds to even one of his comments.

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I will go in with the unpopular opinion here and agree with random. I hated that the games were mandatory. I still went, but if they wanted to mandate me going to the games, then they should have bought my sports pass like they did for the band.

Random is right, some people have more studying to do, football games and march ins can be huge time boofs for the fall and those that have intense majors. And others don't like football.

But yes, yes I know, traditions, red ass, suck it up. I get it. I did my time, and now I am allowed to have some opinions about it.

^ Opinion noted. Thanks.

JCRebel, people like you really bugged me. I held leadership positions, I was an RV, never missed a ST, and managed to graduate on time and am now an officer. And yes, I skipped a few games in my time. Sometimes I was exhausted, and sometimes I needed to get work done. If you are willing to tell someone they shouldn't have been in the corps because they are not as big of a football fan as you... Well that kind of attitude is not going to get you very far in life. And unless you attended every single corps function since your fish year, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to pass judgement.

Never skipped a game, but then again I couldn't. That a CT would have willingly missed a game was unheard of in my era. That guy would have been 'quadded' to the point of drowning.

Sad to think some cadets just punch out and go away from Kyle Field just to avoid the game. AND their unit leadership turns a blind eye to it. No good reason to miss a football game. If you think your 'academics' need 4 extra hours on a Saturday afternoon/evening, you are seriously misusing your time during the week. I don't buy it one bit. Just being lazy.



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If you voluntarily join an organization that requires you to attend a function, then you attend the function or you quit the organization. I didn't like a lot of the "forced fun" I had to endure in the Army, but it was a requirement for an organization that I volunteered to be a part of so I participated. Don't want to go to the games, quit the Corps. Simple as that.

I'm amazed at all these people who never missed a single corps event their entire 4 years!

I am still having a hard time finding football game attendance synonymous with leadership.

I guess I missed something. I guess I am just a huge bag of **** for not enjoying some games and leaving early from others.

Good thing everyone else picked up the slack and went to everything.

Edit: Also, are we a military organization aimed at building future leaders and scholars, or a glorified uniformed student section for a football game? Last I checked there were more important things and "going to stand at a football game" were not on that milestone checklist I had to accomplish to fulfill those objectives.

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It really depends on the week in my opinion. As a fish in the fall, there were some weeks when we had a calculus, physics, and engineering exam in the same week. Those weeks sucked, to put it bluntly. I could have definitely used not only the 4 hours of game time, but the 2 hours of pre-game march-in & other stuff, and the 30 minutes of early morning marching practice, and a good nights sleep on Friday night.

So yes, time management is key, but sometimes circumstances are different for different people. Maybe someone has 3 big exams one week, or maybe someone is just struggling with fluid mechanics another week. And while I've met Aggie engineers that graduated with GPAs just above a 2.0, you cannot get a job with that in today's market. Heck, I had to have above a 3.0 just to stay in my major.

Now I'm not advocating that cadets miss games. I never skipped a game just to study (although I did miss a few for health reasons and I ended up studying). But I think it's important to not judge all cadets as 2%ers because they're having a hard time getting a good enough GPA to make it to a good job or law/vet/dental/med school, and have to skip a Corps activity here and there.

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I'm a good enough officer to fly a 35 million dollar jet and land it on an aircraft carrier, but I guess I wasn't good enough to be an Aggie. Gotcha.

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From the small sample on this thread, it would appear that many of the criticisms coming from the non-regs may in fact be valid

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Somehow my Aggie classmates who were BQs (huge time waster) managed to make all the games and later become Naval Aviators.

Somehow one of my Aggie classmates who was the band commander (huge time waster) managed to make all the games and later become a Marine Corps Brigadier General

The band truly is the hardest outfit in the corps.

Also, both those examples can't be compared if their major was something not engineering.

Also, they were in the band. The band that has to perform at football games.

Band will be missed. Some CT who doesn't want to be there for whatever reasons won't be.

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Band commander my Zip year. Petroleum Engineering. 4.0 in four years.

Fantastic. Much respect.<--not sarcasm, don't take it as such. I am glad and impressed at your buddies' accomplishments and people should be proud of them.

But just because he did it, doesn't make it the norm for everybody. Some people would just rather have that time for other pursuits, and if they did they march in and attended, then so what?

Still don't see what is the big deal about not wanting to attend all football games. How does football attendance equate to leadership? The band has to be there. They preform at the football games, so the corps buys their sports passes.

As a CT, I served no purpose but being a glorified uniformed student section. Instead of forcing cadets to go, a student who wants to be there could have those seats.

And if the corps really wants to dictate the attendance of CT's, then buy those sports passes as well.

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If the goal posts on Kyle Field moved that fast, even Johnny Football wouldn't be able to score.

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Band commander my Zip year. Petroleum Engineering. 4.0 in four years.

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