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The Shank Ag
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This team is a 7.5 on talent, if not better. They should walk into 75% of peoples houses and win no matter what happens (read not 75% of SEC teams) It's not the most talented roster ever (probably 2006-2007), probably not in the top 3 to 4 (the mid to late Bk teams and the 2005-2006 teams).

But when it comes to the BS adjectives Jimbo levied on the football team from 2018-2023, toughness, effort, discipline, pride, grit, this team is a 9.8. I was a HS senior for the 2004-2005 NIT year following the 0-16 year (where I went to Waco to watch a loss). That team went 8-8 with a couple NBA players (AW and Acie) but they made their hay being tough and playing defense. The next year the offense better but they still lived on defense and won games like 46-43 (the shot game). But I've never, ever, seen a team buy in with 0 probable NBA players and just get down to business like this one.

One day, be it Saturday, in February, or in the conference tourney/dance, this team will find its stride on offense. It may not be an 85 pt team like bama, but the defense will finally meet the offense and this team can beat anybody.

Ive felt if the ball fell right the 2006, 2007, 2010, 2016, 2018 teams could have found their way into the final four based on intangibles.

But I've never felt a teams ceiling as high as this one IF it all comes together. Wade or Phelps could score 30 in any given game if things fall right. Hefner, Payne, Coleman, Mo could go for 10-15+ on any given night. Jace, Solo, or Wilcher can go 6-12+ on any given night. Add all of that to the defense, the offensive rebounding, and getting to the line, and that's a dangerous AF team.

Give us a 75% FT team the rest of the way, 4-5 of those 9 hitting what they can be, I'll never go into a game doubting a positive outcome.

I know after this year is going to be tough with so many out of eligibility but God help us if Buzz ever finds a team like this with a Josh Carter and Robert Williams/Deandre Jordan.

Edit to add: my opinion is just that, an opinion. I'm a nobody fan. I played through HS and intermurals at A&M, but had no offers outside of NAIA having to pay part of my way. I coached HS basketball for 3 years at the highest as JV head coach and Varsity assistant. I know ball but am no savant or bastion of knowledge. I'm just saying what I see based upon what I know and what I've seen in the past from this program.
EliteZags
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Ive felt if the ball fell right the 2006, 2007, 2010, 2016, 2018 teams could have found their way into the final four based on intangibles.
I liked the Duke and NC State matchups had we pulled it out over UH last March
bobinator
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I don't think our casuals realize just how good we are on defense yet. We're #7 nationally by KenPom and we've played the #2, #3, #7, and #11 offenses already.

(I just wanted to be in an elitezags and Shank thread for old times sake and this was the first take I could think of)
BigOil
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We are 290th in FG% and 328th in 3PT FG%. That is way sub 7.5 talent wise. It's shocking that the grit and intangibles compensate.
BigOil
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Ok, maybe a 10 for defense talent and a 4 for offense talent gets us to 7.5 ish
Blazer
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The Shank Ag said:

I played through HS and intermurals at A&M, but had no offers outside of NAIA having to pay part of my way. I coached HS basketball for 3 years at the highest as JV head coach and Varsity assistant. I know ball but am no savant or bastion of knowledge. I'm just saying what I see based upon what I know and what I've seen in the past from this program.


Don't sell yourself short. This is more of a basketball resume than 90% of the people on this board.
The Shank Ag
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BigOil said:

We are 290th in FG% and 328th in 3PT FG%. That is way sub 7.5 talent wise. It's shocking that the grit and intangibles compensate.



Those percentages don't tell a full story at all. The way we emphasize defense does effect those percentages but every single player I listed has had multiple games that makes those numbers be laughable. If we could move Wade to the 2 with another true PG, his numbers take off. If we could have a healthy Wade feeding Phelps all year that number takes off. If we feed Payne all game when he's locked in that number takes off. It's all about meld of the team, health, and hitting strides.

In January last year, Mo shouldn't have been on the court. In march he was an all conference player.
The Shank Ag
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bobinator said:

I don't think our casuals realize just how good we are on defense yet. We're #7 nationally by KenPom and we've played the #2, #3, #7, and #11 offenses already.

(I just wanted to be in an elitezags and Shank thread for old times sake and this was the first take I could think of)


Just need CeauxReaux, Ryne, and a few more to jump in and we are in full nostalgia mode
Redfishag93
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Very good points on our defense and the ability of this team to make a run in the tournament.

The defense is massively improved over last season.

Payne is a massive improvement giving us paint offense. He needs more minutes in spite of his defensive liabilities. I think his scoring efficiency outweighs the defense…and his on ball defense is pretty clueless.

Hef has become a damn good player…even defensively surprisingly.
Solo and Andy are just scrappy as hell…awesome defensively.
Coleman has had a very solid, consistent season.

Wade will get it going at a high level again, i have no doubt. We're talking about top 5 all time Aggie.
Phelps has filled the Radford role only better considering his defense.

To me, Manny is the X factor…such a high ceiling. That move he made off the dribble last night and hitting the fall away was nba material. If he can continue contributing something similar to the ole miss game or can approach his play from the end of last year, we can absolutely beat anybody and be the best Aggie basketball team ever.
Method Man
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We have been down double digit points and have come back several times. Is that sustainable? I don't know but it shows we are never out of it.
Proposition Joe
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Defense has shown to be elite.

Rebounding hasn't been elite this year, but it was last year and most of the pieces are still there.

Hustle and perseverance elite.

Shooting is terrible. Free throws are terrible.

That all forms a team that is capable of beating any team on any night out, but has a ceiling. If we can't find an offense, stringing together 4-5 rock fights in a row just isn't likely. As we saw with Kentucky, you're going to run into a team that is hustling as much as you are but CAN shoot.
Kansas Kid
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BigOil said:

We are 290th in FG% and 328th in 3PT FG%. That is way sub 7.5 talent wise. It's shocking that the grit and intangibles compensate.


And we are first in offensive rebounds and 33rd in free throws made per game which offsets a lot of the poor shooting. I'm not saying we are an elite offense but we are better than a lot of posters say since points per possession is more important.
PJYoung
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Yeah there's a lot of ignoring the advanced metrics probably because our offense is not always pleasant to watch.
2nd Generation Ag
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He has recruited great athletes but not great skill. That's why we play great defense. Shooting is a skill . Hand-eye coordination. Solo and Andy are good examples.

It was impressive how he found Payne. That was a huge pickup. I don't think people saw what our coaches saw. I dont think he started for Minnesota which is crazy.
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