I actually think the offense from Buzz is fine. Seriously. You just have to recruit some shooters. Bird or Curry would be great, but not necessary. We just need adequacy. We don't have anybody that scares any coaching staff. You need to have somebody that opposing coaches say "whatever you do, don't leave so-and-so open".Ag Since 83 said:
At the end of the day, you can't base an offense on missing shots and expect to be successful. There are too many teams like this with size who can outrebound you, and also run an offense
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He's not, and the only reason it got hung is because buzz williams is a ***** and wanted some feel good times before he bolted for some other ****** **** non-basketball school.Tergdor said:I still don't understand how his number got retired. There's no way you could convince me he's better than Caruso.Bassinagfan said:
Wade was scoreless in the First half of the biggest game of his career, scoreless !!
Can we quit hyping him as the best of all time now, he was just the longest serving PG in A&M history.
Strike One said:
No matter the outcome today, Wade, Garcia, and Payne went all out all season as did Solo to some degree. Phelps contributed a lot during regular season and then went AWOL the last 2 big games. Hef played hard and a little better this season than his last 3. Manny was Manny and he probably shouild have gotten more minutes today. We are obviously still looking for guys who can shoot 3's and make FTs besides for Taylor. At least with Buzz, our team played hard all year even if they didn't play well.
Good sensible post
Buzz has made it pretty clear he no interest in these kinds of players. Either he has to completely change his mindset, or he has to get replaced by a young, up and coming coach.Strike One said:
No matter the outcome today, Wade, Garcia, and Payne went all out all season as did Solo to some degree. Phelps contributed a lot during regular season and then went AWOL the last 2 big games. Hef played hard and a little better this season than his last 3. Manny was Manny and he probably shouild have gotten more minutes today. We are obviously still looking for guys who can shoot 3's and make FTs besides for Taylor. At least with Buzz, our team played hard all year even if they didn't play well.
You cant make runs in the tourney being a poor shooting team that relies on majorly out-rebounding the other team.
How many big losses over the years have Brent Mussburger and Brad Nessler called?
Their voice is synonymous with an A&M loss.
Their voice is synonymous with an A&M loss.
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
38% is pretty piss-poor if you ask me.
38% is pretty piss-poor if you ask me.
If you think Michigan wasn't gifted back into the game in the 2nd half by way of ridiculous free throw calls, I've got a bridge to sell you.
BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
Location and time please? I'll skip my mixer
Down three with under two minutes to play and Andy can't come up with a steal thrown right to him. That hurt.
BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Bc buzz wanted it bc of feels
Chef Elko said:
I feel for the team. Should have gone further
I feel for them too, but honestly, this was where they deserved to be. If they made it to the Sweet 16, that would have been playing above their ceiling if you ask me.
This team has had a horrible offensive identity for a few years. We cannot run a 1/2 court offense to save our lives, literally proven today. This is nothing new. We have been one of the worst offensive teams this year. We have also been very good on D, and stellar on the boards.
Our ONLY path to winning is to out rebound the opponent, gathering offensive boards and score off those, and play strong physical D that keeps the opponent scoreless for stretches while we chip away on the other end.
That all changed in the 2nd half today. Michigan opened the game by pressuring us inside. We adjusted and got up by half. We came out of the second by having a good (abnormally good) offensive spurt. Michigan weathered it, and started pressuring us again. The refs decided to start calling everything, and took away our ability to by physical on D or crash the boards. Michigan adjusted and found some offensive flow through passing. We could not adjust, as we don't have another avenue to win.
I don't mean that to be negative towards us. It just is what it is, and has been. We had our ability to be aggressive and play ugly gritty basketball taken away, and we have no other way to win. A team like that is playing on borrowed time in March, and usually won't make it past a game or two. That's why I say we finished right about where we should have. We deserved to be playing in the 2nd round. But, we are not nearly compete enough of a team to be a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 team.
Very proud of these guys. They should hold their heads high.
I'm also hoping we can rebuild over the next year or two with some skilled players, and can develop a true offense to go along with relentless defense.
The final score looks like this game was a blowout. The way we played the last five minutes will haunt us for a while.
Yes, it's the referees fault that we lost by 12.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Not the fact that we shot 38% from the floor.
BraxtonW said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
Location and time please? I'll skip my mixer
You being homosexual explains everything. Congrats!
BadMoonRisin said:Yes, it's the referees fault that we lost by 12.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Not the fact that we shot 38% from the floor.
We were up by 10 when the refs called us for 5 ticky tacky calls in a row tgat gave Michigan free throws. We might have still **** the bed, but at the time, Payne was literally making them his *****. Refs called two fouls on him in a row and absolutely changed the game and let Michigan back in.
All of it plays into it - but you can't have watched they game and not realize we were cruising with double digit lead and smooth game flow until refs took over - not necessarily one-sided - but called Ricky tack stuff and both ends and completely changed the rhythm of the game. Then factor in inconsistency and refs did have a huge impact on this game. Not 100% to blame but a big factor.
**** THIS *****
We never win the important games.
We never win the important games.
Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:Yes, it's the referees fault that we lost by 12.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Not the fact that we shot 38% from the floor.
We were up by 10 when the refs called us for 5 ticky tacky calls in a row tgat gave Michigan free throws. We might have still **** the bed, but at the time, Payne was literally making them his *****. Refs called two fouls on him in a row and absolutely changed the game and let Michigan back in.
This
Chef Elko said:
Buzz is good for a middling program with little money, resources and support. Call us a middling program which we are now but we have more of all three of those and can do better
Little money? Buzz and his staff pull down top 15 money.
Many of you Ags are proud of this team. By our standards it was one of our better teams.
Issue is Tech is already one game deeper than us. Baylor is even and Texas is one game less. We were the most senior laden all in of all of them.
Problem is our standards apparently are not the same as the others in the state.
Issue is Tech is already one game deeper than us. Baylor is even and Texas is one game less. We were the most senior laden all in of all of them.
Problem is our standards apparently are not the same as the others in the state.
Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:Yes, it's the referees fault that we lost by 12.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Not the fact that we shot 38% from the floor.
We were up by 10 when the refs called us for 5 ticky tacky calls in a row tgat gave Michigan free throws. We might have still **** the bed, but at the time, Payne was literally making them his *****. Refs called two fouls on him in a row and absolutely changed the game and let Michigan back in.
I think your only posts on the game thread were about the refs. It's a non-issue. Can't do anything about it. Let it go.
And there it is.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:Yes, it's the referees fault that we lost by 12.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Not the fact that we shot 38% from the floor.
We were up by 10 when the refs called us for 5 ticky tacky calls in a row tgat gave Michigan free throws. We might have still **** the bed, but at the time, Payne was literally making them his *****. Refs called two fouls on him in a row and absolutely changed the game and let Michigan back in.
Heineken-Ashi said:romanagg11 said:Texags Meltdown said:
These refs should be castrated and killed
Stop the blame game, we lost! They made shots when needed and A&M did not!
It changed the game at a time where we were dominating. Payne was throwing down alley oops. Next thing you know, he's in foul trouble for a ridiculous moving screen call. You think that doesn't affect the game? We had a stretch where touching them was a foul while they were going over the back and hacking us. It absolutely changes the game. It takes one team out of its rhythm while literally giving the other team free throws.
All I'm saying here is A&M has to find ways to win and dominate And guard the freaking 3 pt line. Refs will always make questionable calls.
Michigan carved up our 3 quarter court press and got foul calls every time we attempted to defend. In addition, we couldn't rebound against them. Payne was our only hope but we couldn't get him the ball late. Taylor tried to take over the game but couldn't hit the miracle shots. It's a disappointing end to the season against a beatable team.
Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:Yes, it's the referees fault that we lost by 12.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Not the fact that we shot 38% from the floor.
We were up by 10 when the refs called us for 5 ticky tacky calls in a row tgat gave Michigan free throws. We might have still **** the bed, but at the time, Payne was literally making them his *****. Refs called two fouls on him in a row and absolutely changed the game and let Michigan back in.
They got 3 free throws on a pass.
So many fouls for free throws. So many no calls that should have been us at the line. Hell, payne slammed it down on them but still got clobbered with no call.
Some of yall not seeing how big the refs were in this game are clearly drive-by march madness Aggie basketball fans that dont follow it at all.
ShotOver said:AtticusMatlock said:
Where do we go from here? We lose almost everyone.
We're a football school anyway.
In another sport which we underachieve.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son." -- Dean Wormer, Faber College President
We need better scorers that can also defend . Payne is a really good piece to build around.
There will be some significant transfers in. We'll see how it goes. There are also some redshirts that can play.
Thanks to the seniors and grad students who gave it their all.
There will be some significant transfers in. We'll see how it goes. There are also some redshirts that can play.
Thanks to the seniors and grad students who gave it their all.
AggieArchitect04 said:
**** THIS *****
We never win the important games.
Was Auburn not an important game? We likely slide to a 6 seed or worse, if we lose that one.
This team won more big games this year than we have seen in a LONG time. Don't take that away from them .
Or, are we just venting because only our most recent loss was an "important game".
rlb28 said:Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:Yes, it's the referees fault that we lost by 12.Heineken-Ashi said:BadMoonRisin said:
Anyone else been drinking tonight and want to **** around and accidentally shoot better than our basketball team?
If those refs can be the target I'm down.
Not the fact that we shot 38% from the floor.
We were up by 10 when the refs called us for 5 ticky tacky calls in a row tgat gave Michigan free throws. We might have still **** the bed, but at the time, Payne was literally making them his *****. Refs called two fouls on him in a row and absolutely changed the game and let Michigan back in.
I think your only posts on the game thread were about the refs. It's a non-issue. Can't do anything about it. Let it go.
Because they single handedly changed the game and let a fledgling team back in. If you want to rail on the coach go for it. He's not immune. But I'm going to keep harping in the one thing that FORCED us to play a different game. Refs shouldn't be getting thst invlolved.
Wade hit that big 3 then Buzz subbed him out? Game turned then
Bingo, which means we either HAVE to move on from Buzz, or BUZZ has to change his philosophy.cupofjoe04 said:Chef Elko said:
I feel for the team. Should have gone further
I feel for them too, but honestly, this was where they deserved to be. If they made it to the Sweet 16, that would have been playing above their ceiling if you ask me.
This team has had a horrible offensive identity for a few years. We cannot run a 1/2 court offense to save our lives, literally proven today. This is nothing new. We have been one of the worst offensive teams this year. We have also been very good on D, and stellar on the boards.
Our ONLY path to winning is to out rebound the opponent, gathering offensive boards and score off those, and play strong physical D that keeps the opponent scoreless for stretches while we chip away on the other end.
That all changed in the 2nd half today. Michigan opened the game by pressuring us inside. We adjusted and got up by half. We came out of the second by having a good (abnormally good) offensive spurt. Michigan weathered it, and started pressuring us again. The refs decided to start calling everything, and took away our ability to by physical on D or crash the boards. Michigan adjusted and found some offensive flow through passing. We could not adjust, as we don't have another avenue to win.
I don't mean that to be negative towards us. It just is what it is, and has been. We had our ability to be aggressive and play ugly gritty basketball taken away, and we have no other way to win. A team like that is playing on borrowed time in March, and usually won't make it past a game or two. That's why I say we finished right about where we should have. We deserved to be playing in the 2nd round. But, we are not nearly compete enough of a team to be a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 team.
Very proud of these guys. They should hold their heads high.
I'm also hoping we can rebuild over the next year or two with some skilled players, and can develop a true offense to go along with relentless defense.
I think its more likely neither happens
buzz likes to sub when there's about 20 or so seconds left before a media timeout because they get extra rest, forget the seasons on the line or anything like that, Taylor got 23 second of extra restbigsoos said:
Wade hit that big 3 then Buzz subbed him out? Game turned then
A questionable call here and there is expected, but they absolutely refised to foul out the Big-10 tourney MVP no matter what and at the same time called many weak fouls on us on both ends. That really took away our momentum. Could we have still won the game if we had played better? Sure. But we shouldn't have to overcome lopsided reffing in such a big game. It's really unfortunate for our team that things weren't called evenly.
What irks me the most is how we're supposed to stop these 7 footers or elite 6'11 big men with 6'7 guys in the post…
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