Who wants to go on the record that this won't work?

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Dr. Alister MacKenzie
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Define "work."

Will he win enough to go to the tournament? Possibly but zero evidence of it at any significant level.

That's the standard?
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Method Man said:

bennyboobooboo said:

We were a top 5 program in the best conference in basketball. That's pole position.


You're mistaking "team" with "program". I'm stopping arguing you because you don't seem to know anything.


He's thinking with his heart, not his brain.
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Im on record as saying I like the hire and excited about it. But I have no clue if it works, like I would be about almost every other hire.
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I think this will be a lot like Mike Earley's success. Bucky is a good coach but being successful at a major university in the SEC conference is a totally different situation than he has experienced.
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bennyboobooboo said:

You'd be SHOCKED if a SEC team with the resources we have MADE THE TOURNEY WITHIN 3 YEARS. Bless your heart. There are only ~30 teams in the country that can offer what we can (NIL, recent wins, exposure). What's the point of hiring someone in competitive sports if it isn't to win it all?
Sure……….we've really shown our NIL muscle the last month or so. Until we're willing to pump out 7 figures of NIL in the auctions, the rest of the SEC will leave us in the dust.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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It only works if he can recruit. He also leans toward small ball while Buzz shifted out of it. Someone from a smaller league can't imagine the physicality we saw this year.

But can he? He might be able too. But unknowable based on who we hired.
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Dr. Alister MacKenzie said:

Define "work."

Will he win enough to go to the tournament? Possibly but zero evidence of it at any significant level.

That's the standard?


I think "work" means the majority of regulars here don't want to get rid of him in a couple years.
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I hope that this works out because on paper it even looks funny hiring a guy with ZERO tournament wins.

I hope this works out cause people who "know better than us" get paid A Lot of money to make these decisions.

I hope this works out cause then we can start hiring more unproven coaches for less and getting more in return.

I hope this works out cause Bucky has 1 Southern Conference Championship in 5 years, and it was 2 years ago.

I hope this works out cause we currently have ZERO scholarship players on our team at the moment and Bucky has a few months before Fall workouts begin.

But mostly, I hope this works out cause I'm Most tired of Not Winning Big.

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LB12Diamond said:

bennyboobooboo said:

Me. No chance this works. By works I mean he won't get further than Buzz did in his 5 years. I'll eat cow dung if we win a natty within the next 5 years.


No

You will eat crow if he gets further than Buzz with your first statement. That's how this works.

If he wins a Natty, you will dress up as a chicken and act out being chicken for everyone on here to see. You will make us believe you are the chicken.


I think a poop slap wager is worth it here
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No way he gets further in the tournament than any previous Aggie coach.
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What are your thoughts on Todd Golden?
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Not me. I think it has a chance to be a home run hire and given his history it's not likely to be worse than a number of past hires . He has some resources ( allegedly $7mm) in NIL money . I liked the overall approach, ask the few proven guys you like if they are interested and once they said no pivot immediately to up and comers. I'd have been good with Huss, Lutz, or Bucky. I was also impressed with how fast we moved . Gives us a chance to build a competitive roster . I do think we need to be patient next yr but I know that's a pipe dream on here with all but a few dozen or so.

I like this better than hiring an assistant with no hc experience as well. The skill sets between an assistant and a hc could be very different . Not that an assistant can't become a very successful coach but I prefer someone that has proven they can run a program.
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I'm excited for someone to bring this thread up and act vindicated when we lose a game in November next year.

I have no idea if it'll work, but I'm looking forward to us giving it a shot!
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I'll say it. This is a terrible hire. Another Trev Alberts Budget Special. The fact that this guy only has a few years of college coaching experience is unacceptable for a school of our size and stature. We essentially hired a high school coach. Rodney Terry or Mark Adams would have been better hires.
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Sooooo..............there's a chance?



I know nothing about this guy. Seems to have positive comments on him, but they all do. Like every coach, we'll see.

For the record:
FB
Liked the Slocum hire
Loved the Franchione hire, boy was I wrong on that
Cautious on the Sherman hire
Loved the Sumlin hire
Hated Jimbo, but it grew on me until it didn't
Absolutely love the Elko hire

Basketball
Adored Shelby, so absolutely hated the Kermit hire
Loved the Barone hire
Meh on the Watkins hire
Ehhh on the BCG hire
Liked the Turgeon hire
Liked the Kennedy hire until the Parkinsons diagnosis
Absolutely loved the Buzz hire
Cautiously optimistic on the Bucky hire

I liked Buzz, but his shtick had grown very tiring IMO.
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Typical bobinator. Won't commit to saying he believes it will work.
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bobinator said:

Dr. Alister MacKenzie said:

Define "work."

Will he win enough to go to the tournament? Possibly but zero evidence of it at any significant level.

That's the standard?


I think "work" means the majority of regulars here don't want to get rid of him in a couple years.
Thats a pretty weak interpretation of "work". Didn't go too far out on that limb. Sad thing is if Bucky does work here another blue blood will come take him (See BG, see MT) or he won't and be gone by yr 5. Looking back its funny how BK was consider a failure but had made it to the sweet16 twice by yr 7, grant those were his only times making the tournament.
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I have no idea if it will work so why would I pretend to?
bobinator
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I mean we could put some kind of parameters if people want. What would you suggest is a good bar for "working" here?
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Wait did Buzz win a Natty? Are there 2 different expectations here? If he gets to sweet 16, he surpasses Buzz right? Would you eat 1/2 a cow and then another 1/2 of a cow if he wins a natty? Within 5 years?

Edit: lol, didn't see the dung part
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justsomeguy said:

Typical bobinator. Won't commit to saying he believes it will work.
LOL how could anybody absolutely believe it will work? It would be a complete shot in the dark. Low floor/high ceiling type of hire. Some hirings that seem absolutely 100% can't miss are disasters as well.

Saying it might work is a lot different than being sure it won't work.
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I think we can definitely say it's not working if we're nowhere close to the tournament by his third season. "Fine" is we make it in as a 6-11 seed once? Maybe "this is working" is anything better than that? If we're a top five seed in his first three seasons that's gotta be ahead of the curve.

Maybe some bonus vibes if we actually win any tournament games?
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jja79 said:

If he gets 6 years I think he can win 2 tournament games.


If he failed to meet that metric I think we'd all be disappointed. Not necessarily surprised but disappointed.

Let suppose in year 3 the Ags sneak in as an 11 seed and pull off a couple of upsets make the second weekend and get hammered by a 2 seed
Is that better worse or comparable to Buzz' final season of being ranked most of the year having 5+ quality wins and getting bounced in the second round
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It's obviously worse to anyone that actually cares about basketball.
Sq 17
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I agree with your assessment but thought my hypothetical was an interesting thought experiment.
Like I said in another thread I think it is very likely Buzz' agent was in discussions for a raise and an extension mid season
And when we decided that we were ok with Buzz leaving this is the kind of hire we should have expected
I am definitely a tourist on this board I lfollow college basketball about 3 months year and like engaging on Texans starting about 2/1 every year
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DukeMu said:

GizzGar said:

DukeMu said:

Ags #1 said:

It may work but define working? If he makes a sweet 16 or elite 8 he probably bounces.
Only to another SEC school. The SEC is now the premier basketball league and will probably remain that way in the NIL era.

It's a gamble, but I did not have a MikeSyracuse CM Newton's son recommendation on my bingo card!

The SEC is not the premier basketball league LMAO
In NCAAM it certainly is today. The SEC on kenpom rates well ahead of the Big Ten for 2025. NIL and the increased depth and quality of coaches has flipped the script. The ACC was a gauntlet in the 1980s and was last ranked as the top conference in 2005 and 2007.
yes. We've had one good year. We also haven't won a title in over a decade.
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When hiring a coach - in the past, a big big part was recruiting ability.

With nil, that has neutralized that a bit. Commiting is less about feels or more about highest bidder.

So then it goes back to: hire a guy where can spend less on his contract and more on nil for players. Secondly, focus on hiring a guy who can coach X and O s.

Bucky seems to meet both those criteria. Cautiously optimistic.
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I disagree a little bit here. Highest bid matters but you want a coach who can get a guy without being the absolute highest bid, whether that's because of rep of getting guys in the league, style of play, or whatever else.

Recruiting ability still matters.
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Covid year aside, Buzz's first three full years were nada, NIT runner up, 1andDone. I expect better than that and Buzz inherited a pretty talented team (Bucky inherits McDermott … maybe). Consider that "works".
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DukeMu said:

Ags #1 said:

It may work but define working? If he makes a sweet 16 or elite 8 he probably bounces.
Only to another SEC school. The SEC is now the premier basketball league and will probably remain that way in the NIL era.

It's a gamble, but I did not have a MikeSyracuse CM Newton's son recommendation on my bingo card!



Not so sure.... revenue sharing is going to take the SEC down a bit in basketball. Lots of schools without football programs that will pony up for basketball salaries.
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dixichkn said:

bennyboobooboo said:

Me. No chance this works. By works I mean he won't get further than Buzz did in his 5 years. I'll eat cow dung if we win a natty within the next 5 years.
Wow. Really going out on a limb with that last one.

With this total ground-up reset we're gonna have to do I'll be shocked if we even make the dance by year 3. Much less a natty. That said, I'm not disappointed in the hire at all. He's gonna have to pull a couple of hidden gems out of the portal immediately to help convince kids that BuckyBall is gonna work. It'll be like the tariffs going on right now. Ugly at first. But in the long run, don't be surprised if it works


Don't know what statement is crazier.... you believing Buckyball is going to work... or that Trump's tariffs are going to work out fine.
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agent-maroon said:

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Anyone talking "natty" and Aggie basketball should eat cow dung just cuz.
Anyone talking "natty" and Aggie basketball has likely been eating cow dung and/or the mushrooms growing in it for a long time before this hire


Natty in basketball? I think if you said football that could be a possibility this lifetime, but basketball??
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rondis23 said:

I hope that this works out because on paper it even looks funny hiring a guy with ZERO tournament wins.

I hope this works out cause people who "know better than us" get paid A Lot of money to make these decisions.

I hope this works out cause then we can start hiring more unproven coaches for less and getting more in return.

I hope this works out cause Bucky has 1 Southern Conference Championship in 5 years, and it was 2 years ago.

I hope this works out cause we currently have ZERO scholarship players on our team at the moment and Bucky has a few months before Fall workouts begin.

But mostly, I hope this works out cause I'm Most tired of Not Winning Big.




Like the same guy who hired a baseball HC with 0 tourney or regular season game wins?
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bennyboobooboo said:

Me. No chance this works. By works I mean he won't get further than Buzz did in his 5 years. I'll eat cow dung if we win a natty within the next 5 years.


I'll say this, if Bucky does as well as buzz did from an SEC standings perspective while putting tournament quality teams on the court most years and his brand of basketball is actually really fun to watch I will be ecstatic. That alone would be a success.

If he can recruit, I think the ceiling is considerably higher.
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We are the dumbest fanbase in the country. Earley, and now this…Billy referenced Junior varsity coaching record in his article. This is embarrassing for one of the richest universities in the country.
 
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