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Charlie Moran
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Observations from yesterday

Cougs had better length and height
Cougs played with a lot of discipline- they never allowed themselves to be sped up by our press. They broke it , then would set up their half court offense. They didn't get sucked into a hurried transition game
Our 3 point shooters were well guarded leading to empty possessions or Rashaun shooting from distance- lower percentage shots and no chance for him to rebound


Finally Nebraska fans fully committed to their team. A program with ZERO tournament wins essentially bought out a road venue and willed their team to a Sweet 16. We couldn't even muster a thousand fans to an arena 2 1/2 hours from DFW. Pretty embarrassing IMO and definitely doesn't help us moving forward as a program.
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"A&M has terrible basketball fan support" isn't exactly a new, earth shattering take. It's more like the 11th Commandment brought down from the mount by Moses.
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
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Charlie Moran said:

Observations from yesterday

Cougs had better length and height
Cougs played with a lot of discipline- they never allowed themselves to be sped up by our press. They broke it , then would set up their half court offense. They didn't get sucked into a hurried transition game
Our 3 point shooters were well guarded leading to empty possessions or Rashaun shooting from distance- lower percentage shots and no chance for him to rebound


Finally Nebraska fans fully committed to their team. A program with ZERO tournament wins essentially bought out a road venue and willed their team to a Sweet 16. We couldn't even muster a thousand fans to an arena 2 1/2 hours from DFW. Pretty embarrassing IMO and definitely doesn't help us moving forward as a program.


Nebraska has a good coach now.
And he's worked to build them up into a pretty good team.

But let's not act like they've been getting that kind of fandom since his arrival.

If Bucky can build up what we're all hoping he can, we'll get support. Especially if we start running deep into the post season with some consistency.
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TxAg76 said:

Charlie Moran said:

Observations from yesterday

Cougs had better length and height
Cougs played with a lot of discipline- they never allowed themselves to be sped up by our press. They broke it , then would set up their half court offense. They didn't get sucked into a hurried transition game
Our 3 point shooters were well guarded leading to empty possessions or Rashaun shooting from distance- lower percentage shots and no chance for him to rebound


Finally Nebraska fans fully committed to their team. A program with ZERO tournament wins essentially bought out a road venue and willed their team to a Sweet 16. We couldn't even muster a thousand fans to an arena 2 1/2 hours from DFW. Pretty embarrassing IMO and definitely doesn't help us moving forward as a program.


Nebraska has a good coach now.
And he's worked to build them up into a pretty good team.

But let's not act like they've been getting that kind of fandom since his arrival.

They're also a 4 seed, so they had reasonable expectation of winning round one. Tons of fans are making that trip just to witness history.
When we were a 3 seed in '16 we had a great crowd in OKC because we were good and fans had the expectation of getting to see two games and two wins. 10 seeds just aren't getting a lot of fans to travel unless it's a Mizzou situation where it is in your backyard and there's no travel required.
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I'm not claiming that Nebraska has always supported their BB team. I'm just making a statement that they really made a statement in this first round sectional. The amount of support was truly impressive, media commentators had never seen it before. The arena at times was deafening , the OKC Thunder fans said it rivaled the noise that they heard during the NBA playoffs. I have only experienced it before in Allen Fieldhouse or old Gallagher-Iba
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Respectfully I was there in OKC the last time for the miracle and although we were higher seeded we didn't have many more fans present than we did this past weekend
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Charlie Moran said:

Respectfully I was there in OKC the last time for the miracle and although we were higher seeded we didn't have many more fans present than we did this past weekend


I watched ticket prices Friday and Saturday until noon. Was kicking around idea of going up. Cheapest seats for the session yesterday were about $300 a chair. So $1200 plus the drive for 4 peeps.

Then watched on tv and the lower seats looked very empty. Entire rows empty. And I didn't see those empty seats even offered in SeatGeek. I tried to get seats thru 12th man but I guess I didnt have enough points. But it looks like fans from the other schools that lost round 1 didn't really put their stuff on the market or if so, at way more than they paid for them.

Not sure how to fix that except to maybe only allow schools tix for individual games or sessions 1 only or session 2 only, not all three sessions.

In terms of the game: we didn't really push as hard in transition as I wanted. The times we did we were able to draw fouls. But the guards seemed content to jog the ball up and set up offense most of the game. They are too long for that. Also thought we should have taken Really quick threes in the transition to get best looks. Like shoot as soon as we got over the timeline from a wing before their rebounders were fully set. Didn't see that either.

We had several good looks just didn't make them. They only had a seven man bench so I would have loved to run to death even if not scoring and try to get fouled. Officiating was awful until the tech foul and then it kinda evened out, but by then we already had 6 to their 2. We needed to get them in foul trouble right out of the gate.

I believe in Bucky. I do not understand the offense once it's in half court, other than the pick and roll, but I still believe in Bucky. Should be a fun spring.

Last: someone somewhere said they think Bucky is at his ceiling. The odds that a coach who was hired late in cycle, had ONE player on the team, recruited the transfers late in that cycle, put together a team of strangers in a place new to all of them, was picked to finish near the bottom, and willed the team thru the wall to get a bidand then look dominant in the first round, has ALREADY hit his ceiling? Come on man.
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There is a general misconception that one reason Nebraska had a lot of fans attend because they were alllocated tickets. That's not correct. Each team received a small allocation and only for the sessions in which they played.

That was a great location for us as fans. We didn't show up. I'm not critiquing each individual reason people didn't attend. But the circumstances for Nebraska were same as for us. They showed up, we did not.
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Regarding this quote:
"But let's not act like they've been getting that kind of fandom since his arrival."

This is not entirely true. Just requires a quick google search. Since, they've been at pinnacle bank Arena, they've consistently been in the top 15 for average annual basketball attendance, despite the program history.

Now, the basketball fan support went from solid to elite under Hoiberg, I'll give you that. And they were getting impatient after year 3, but stuck it through since he showed progress year after year, and was willing to re-work his contract.

Prior to Pinnacle Bank Arena, they would have no problem filling up the devaney center regularly.

Fan support has never been the issue for Nebraska basketball. I lived in Nebraska from 84 to 2000, and 2014 to 2022.
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"Aggies are the best fans".
False only for football and baseball.
We have been a consistent NcAA team or bubble team for the last 15-20 year but we prob have the least amount of fan support for a team that is regular winning 20 plus games..
we can't fill the lower bowl regularly for a regular season mid week game but small schools with less students, alumni and marketing support can do it bc fans care. For some reason we only care and fill up based on the opponent which is dumb. Why not fill up to watch our team not bc the opponent is a big name.
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epozehl said:

Regarding this quote:
"But let's not act like they've been getting that kind of fandom since his arrival."

This is not entirely true. Just requires a quick google search. Since, they've been at pinnacle bank Arena, they've consistently been in the top 15 for average annual basketball attendance, despite the program history.

Now, the basketball fan support went from solid to elite under Hoiberg, I'll give you that. And they were getting impatient after year 3, but stuck it through since he showed progress year after year, and was willing to re-work his contract.

Prior to Pinnacle Bank Arena, they would have no problem filling up the devaney center regularly.

Fan support has never been the issue for Nebraska basketball. I lived in Nebraska from 84 to 2000, and 2014 to 2022.


This and then some. My roots are small town Nebraska. Took a ton of crap for my choice to go to A&M. Love the Huskers. Love the Ags. Enjoying the moment. Gig'em and Go Big Red!
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Fan support will be why Bucky leaves in 4-5 years. It's a huge deal and people jut like to wave it off.

I was there and yesterday was pathetic.
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Yep, you'll get the tired, "we just dont support basketball " and "win a final four game and they will come" to justify it. It makes zero sense to me.

I dont think the 12th man helps much. Getting tickets is a joke because non basketball fans can get priority over season ticket holders. We have a hell of a time getting tickets every year and we've been to nearly every home game since 2006.
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You need to look at the site and the teams involved.

I didn't check the resell market, but I committed to going our Thursday session and Saturday session because I figured the Huskers would show up and resell tickets wouldn't be cheap. This was the issue last year in Denver as Michigan and Wisconsin travel well and the Mormon population came out for BYU. I talked to a few Husker fans that bought tickets to all 3 sessions.
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Texker, where are you from? I'm from Seward.
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We can't generate fan interest to save our lives. We have terrible basketball fans and support

It's the 2nd sport of the Big 2 for Christ sake
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You need to check Ticketmaster, not StubHub. The game was not sold out and upper deck could have been had at face value ($160 or so). And non upper deck could have been had for $300-400. Ticketmaster resale is normally cheaper than the other websites.

If it looked empty for our game, that's because all of the tickets were bought by Nebraska fans and they may not have been in their seats for our game.
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jeremy said:

Yep, you'll get the tired, "we just dont support basketball " and "win a final four game and they will come" to justify it. It makes zero sense to me.

I dont think the 12th man helps much. Getting tickets is a joke because non basketball fans can get priority over season ticket holders. We have a hell of a time getting tickets every year and we've been to nearly every home game since 2006.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST F'ING ISSUE.

When basketball is used as a way to sell football season tickets, fan support for basketball will ALWAYS be behind the other sports.

If the 12th Man wanted to increase basketball support, they need to treat basketball fans way better than football fans that also want to buy post-season tickets when our BB team is good.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to create dedicated basketball fan support when basketball season ticket holders are treated as second class citizens to the football season ticket holders.

This point should be pointed out on this board EVERY TIME there is a complaint about basketball fan support at A&M.

It is as much the A&M athletic department DECIDING to let basketball suffer for more money from football. I know that basketball season ticket holders complain to A&M coaches about this. It is probably one of the reasons why we keep losing coaches.

When A&M decides to invest money into A&M basketball fan support, A&M will get basketball fan support. Until they do, this is entirely the athletic department's fault, not the fans.
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mavsfan4ever said:

You need to check Ticketmaster, not StubHub. The game was not sold out and upper deck could have been had at face value ($160 or so). And non upper deck could have been had for $300-400. Ticketmaster resale is normally cheaper than the other websites.

If it looked empty for our game, that's because all of the tickets were bought by Nebraska fans and they may not have been in their seats for our game.


That's still $640 before leaving the house. By the time you eat and all that it's min $750. There's tons of other things to do in life vs watching a game you don't expect to win and potentially not be competitive in.

It blows my mind how much people pay for concerts these days. Some versions of live entertainment just don't make sense for the $$$. I get the analytics of charge more vs caring if they all sell. Ticketmaster also was doing variable pricing for these. A mizzou buddy mentioned how the tm fave rose after mizzou got in and slight lowered for day 2

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jeremy said:

Yep, you'll get the tired, "we just dont support basketball " and "win a final four game and they will come" to justify it. It makes zero sense to me.

I dont think the 12th man helps much. Getting tickets is a joke because non basketball fans can get priority over season ticket holders. We have a hell of a time getting tickets every year and we've been to nearly every home game since 2006.


This is a good callout. Easy fix
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Yep. I really thought about it. Just not worth it. Long drive and a notable expense especially short notice when we're predicted to lose.
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mavsfan4ever said:

You need to check Ticketmaster, not StubHub. The game was not sold out and upper deck could have been had at face value ($160 or so). And non upper deck could have been had for $300-400. Ticketmaster resale is normally cheaper than the other websites.

If it looked empty for our game, that's because all of the tickets were bought by Nebraska fans and they may not have been in their seats for our game.


Ticketmaster? Good gravy.
I said seat geek not stub hub.
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$160 was the minimum for something like this. If you weren't willing to pay $160*4 then you were never going in the first place.
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The Lost said:

mavsfan4ever said:

You need to check Ticketmaster, not StubHub. The game was not sold out and upper deck could have been had at face value ($160 or so). And non upper deck could have been had for $300-400. Ticketmaster resale is normally cheaper than the other websites.

If it looked empty for our game, that's because all of the tickets were bought by Nebraska fans and they may not have been in their seats for our game.


That's still $640 before leaving the house. By the time you eat and all that it's min $750. There's tons of other things to do in life vs watching a game you don't expect to win and potentially not be competitive in.

It blows my mind how much people pay for concerts these days. Some versions of live entertainment just don't make sense for the $$$. I get the analytics of charge more vs caring if they all sell. Ticketmaster also was doing variable pricing for these. A mizzou buddy mentioned how the tm fave rose after mizzou got in and slight lowered for day 2




Okay? So you just have a problem with how much tickets cost at face value? That's not an A&M problem. That's just what they go for. No problem if you don't want to spend the money but I don't think that's why our huge alumni base don't go to the game. No other schools are not showing up bc tickets are too expensive.
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Matt_The_Lawyer said:

mavsfan4ever said:

You need to check Ticketmaster, not StubHub. The game was not sold out and upper deck could have been had at face value ($160 or so). And non upper deck could have been had for $300-400. Ticketmaster resale is normally cheaper than the other websites.

If it looked empty for our game, that's because all of the tickets were bought by Nebraska fans and they may not have been in their seats for our game.


Ticketmaster? Good gravy.
I said seat geek not stub hub.


Okay and seat geek must have been much more than Ticketmaster if you don't see anything cheaper than what you claimed. I don't even understand what point you are making.
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When you combine expensive cost + heavy underdog (Saturday) + been to the dance many times this century/but lost in that round ... You get mediocre crowds from that school....
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I'm shocked all the DFW Aggies didn't shell out $400 per ticket for Saturday's game against a great Houston team knowing we'd probably lose. I also like to watch the other 7 games on Tv that day.

I wish I had gone to Thursday's game, when tickets were $60 for corner lower-level. But I had been to OKC twice for A&M's basketball and baseball games in the last month. Plus the 15 other games on TV Thursday, but I'll go next time in Round 1 for that cheap price.
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TulaneAg said:

$160 was the minimum for something like this. If you weren't willing to pay $160*4 then you were never going in the first place.
$160 each for nosebleed seats needing binoculars.
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You've clearly never gone to a game at paycom or any basketball arena. It's not football and not kyke field. You can see fine from the upper deck.
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Matt_The_Lawyer said:

Charlie Moran said:

Respectfully I was there in OKC the last time for the miracle and although we were higher seeded we didn't have many more fans present than we did this past weekend


I watched ticket prices Friday and Saturday until noon. Was kicking around idea of going up. Cheapest seats for the session yesterday were about $300 a chair. So $1200 plus the drive for 4 peeps.

Then watched on tv and the lower seats looked very empty. Entire rows empty. And I didn't see those empty seats even offered in SeatGeek.
It appears those empty rows for our game were Nebraska fans who had not arrived to the arena yet for their game following our's.
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mavsfan4ever said:

You've clearly never gone to a game at paycom or any basketball arena. It's not football and not kyke field. You can see fine from the upper deck.
I've been to Mavs games and in the upper deck a few times. Upper deck is barely memorable and not remotely the same as the lower-bowl where you can see players' faces. That, versus a smaller basketball venue where the upper deck doesn't feel so high up. But that's way less seats, so I get why they go NBA arena. Idk if the upper-levels were packed or not for these 2nd round games.
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Paycom has better site lines for the average Joe because it's an older arena (more space set aside for suites kills the quality of upper deck seats).

If you ever went to the Mavs at the old Reunion Arena- that would be comparable.

That said, Paycom's days are numbered because the Thunder held the town hostage again for a new arena.

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mavsfan4ever said:

Matt_The_Lawyer said:

mavsfan4ever said:

You need to check Ticketmaster, not StubHub. The game was not sold out and upper deck could have been had at face value ($160 or so). And non upper deck could have been had for $300-400. Ticketmaster resale is normally cheaper than the other websites.

If it looked empty for our game, that's because all of the tickets were bought by Nebraska fans and they may not have been in their seats for our game.


Ticketmaster? Good gravy.
I said seat geek not stub hub.


Okay and seat geek must have been much more than Ticketmaster if you don't see anything cheaper than what you claimed. I don't even understand what point you are making.

I believe you!
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just looked up the numbers - 24/25 season we were number 50 - not as many small schools ahead of us as some here would have us believe
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mavsfan4ever said:

The Lost said:

mavsfan4ever said:

You need to check Ticketmaster, not StubHub. The game was not sold out and upper deck could have been had at face value ($160 or so). And non upper deck could have been had for $300-400. Ticketmaster resale is normally cheaper than the other websites.

If it looked empty for our game, that's because all of the tickets were bought by Nebraska fans and they may not have been in their seats for our game.


That's still $640 before leaving the house. By the time you eat and all that it's min $750. There's tons of other things to do in life vs watching a game you don't expect to win and potentially not be competitive in.

It blows my mind how much people pay for concerts these days. Some versions of live entertainment just don't make sense for the $$$. I get the analytics of charge more vs caring if they all sell. Ticketmaster also was doing variable pricing for these. A mizzou buddy mentioned how the tm fave rose after mizzou got in and slight lowered for day 2




Okay? So you just have a problem with how much tickets cost at face value? That's not an A&M problem. That's just what they go for. No problem if you don't want to spend the money but I don't think that's why our huge alumni base don't go to the game. No other schools are not showing up bc tickets are too expensive.


Most schools also didn't show up in insane numbers. Nebraska was new and had the expectation to win and mizzou was in the city with its largest alumni base. Most crowds for most schools were merely fine at best. The blue bloods get tshirt fans that also aren't traveling, it totally matters for whatever your expectation of crowd was.
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