OK you SEC fans, listen up.

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OPAG
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Yale has done won more hardware than Bama.

Yale is to Yankee football what Bama is to southern football. Or would you rather call yourselves the equivalent of Penn State?
10thYrSr
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If I'm an arrogant bammer, it's because the football program of the university that I support is without equal.


Yeah! WAIT...WHAT? Do you just support the university via wal-mart, or did you graduate from there? I'm not sure which is more sad. Either way, I'm sure Arkysaw thanks you for helping to fund the buyout for their lecherous coach.
Bamatab
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Yale has not won more "hardware" than us in THE MODERN ERA (which in college football is usually seen as the poll era which started in 1936), which is what my post stated. They haven't won a NC since 1927. If the north had an equivalent to Bama, it would be ND, but they haven't even won a NC in a little over 2 decades. I can't figure out what is up with the reading comprehension in this thread (and this is coming from someone that went through the Alabama public school system )

And clothes are the one thing I don't buy at Wal-mart. The majority of my financal support actually goes through Tide Pride (the Bama equivalent of the 12th man foundation). But you guys need to get over your fascination with "Wal-mart" fans. The SEC is full of them. And whether you want to admit it or not, the number of Wal-mart fans your school has, has a direct corrolation to how successful your program is.

[This message has been edited by Bamatab (edited 7/21/2012 10:18a).]
Belton Ag
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I still don't understand your original response to the OP. To my knowledge he didn't compare A&M's history to Bama's, nor did he denigrate Bama's history. He simply said he didn't care how many titles Bama has, A&M will be on the rise. I don't see why Bama fans are so insecure that they need to interject themselves into every football conversation on the planet. It's not like you need to do any additional bragging; your history sells itself. It reminds me of OU fans; it's an almost pathological need to one-up everyone else at all times. It's such an annoying trait.

[This message has been edited by Belton ag (edited 7/21/2012 10:34a).]
sugamagnolialsu
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Awww, Bamatab, these SEC noobs don't know anything. They call you an arrogant bammer? I KNOW an arrogant bammer when I see one. And you're not one.

No, you're just a delusional gump.
AggieEE
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Get a dog.

hornhatinvol
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BamaCrap:
That good for nothing tornado hit the wrong thing! If it was good for anything, it would have waxed that miserable, piece of sheit stadium you inbreds play in. Guess I should have said it didn't DO it's job.
Don't talk to me about crossing the line. I heard the multitude of your idiots - including that rat ******* traitor Paul Finebaum - defend that homosexual teabagger! TONS OF YOU DID!! DON'T DENY IT!! That crap does NOT go on at MY school!!
hornhatinvol
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One more thing - Bahr Bryant is a DEAD ROTTING CORPSE!!! BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
sugamagnolialsu
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I may not like Bama, but the jabs about those horrific tornadoes...that's just wrong. Seriously.

elgoob
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Aggees are weird and will take a while to get acclimated to a new neighborhood. Party on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvt798rMrvA
Bamatab
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One more thing - Bahr Bryant is a DEAD ROTTING CORPSE!!! BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!


But thank goodness Derek Dooley isn't!
AggieBB
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Now that I got the finger wagging out of the way, let's address your other points. I don't care what method you use to decide which NCs to count, we still have more than anyone else in the modern era (or at the very least, are tied with ND). If you only use the ones that ESPN recognizes (which I think is just in the AP era), we past ND this past year. And if I remember correctly, it wasn't until Bama integrated their football team, that the other SEC teams (yours included) decided to integrate theirs.


Validating the stereotype of aluhbammuh t-shirt fans.



oragator
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No way Texas is far and away the best high school talent.
Between Florida, Florida state and Miami we have won a combined 8 national titles in the last thirty years, Texas schools have won one. Even if you count Oklahoma in your number we still blow you out of the water. And both states get poached by lots of other schools too so that's a wash as well.
But carry on.

Rusty GCS
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What do collegiate national titles have to do with high school talent?

Your argument lies in which state puts out more DI athletes and NFL talent
Belton Ag
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Hard to seperate Texas Florida and California in terms of who has the best talent in recent years. Both Texas and California have put more than 2000 players in the NFL over the years, and each of those states has 12 or more D1 schools.
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This is a stupid thread; I'll pass, EXCEPT:


NO Ags should say JACK **** about the tornado.

That's stupid beyond belief.

Don't be that guy...ever!
oragator
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What do collegiate national titles have to do with high school talent?

Your argument lies in which state puts out more DI athletes and NFL talent


NFL talent doesn't always equate with college talent ( see our three heisman winners), but if you want to use D1 schollies as a metric, just using last year, Florida and Texas had 344 and 345 D1 schollies respectively in 2011.
The question you still need to ask yourself though is why Florida teams can win with their talent and the Texas teams can't. Either it's monumental incompetency with the coaching in Texas, there is more top end talent in Florida to put them over the hump, or something else. Both states get raided so that's not it ( just in the last few years we lost trent Richardson, CJ Spiller, Aaron Murray among many others), it's not lack of money or resources, its not the desire to win slowing you down, so what is it?

Belton Ag
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How many schools are those Texas schollies spread amongst? There are three Florida schools with any shot at winning a championship. Three. That much of a concentration of talent among three schools will produce championships. I don't care if you have some anecdotal stories about a few players from Florida who get poached, most of the top talent is not leaving Florida. In regards to Texas HS players, OU and OSU have had entire rosters built with Texas kids. Don't forget that Texas also has 12 d1 schools. As to your assertion about winning titles, I'll give you that Miami and FSU with their glorified Pre-School level academic standards won some titles. If Texas and A&M had their standards over the years things might be different...
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I just assume for Miami that they cheated their asses off.
oragator
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How many schools are those Texas schollies spread amongst? There are three Florida schools with any shot at winning a championship. Three. That much of a concentration of talent among three schools will produce championships. I don't care if you have some anecdotal stories about a few players from Florida who get poached, most of the top talent is not leaving Florida. In regards to Texas HS players, OU and OSU have had entire rosters built with Texas kids. Don't forget that Texas also has 12 d1 schools. As to your assertion about winning titles, I'll give you that Miami and FSU with their glorified Pre-School level academic standards won some titles. If Texas and A&M had their standards over the years things might be different...


So we have 3 schools with a legit shot at a natty, how many does Texas have? 3 if you include oklahoma...
Yes you have 12 D1 schools, Florida has 7 or 8 I think, but the top end talent should be congregating at the top end schools, just like we should not lose talent to USF or UCF you shouldn't lose it to Houston, Baylor or even TCU. In the end it should be three schools against three for the true championship level talent. The only school ironically that has been able to consolidate it for more than a couple of good years in the last nearly half century is Oklahoma -'they have been able to do what the Texas schools haven't, which speaks to my earlier point.

oh and on the academic front, sadly Miami is ranked ahead of both UF and TAMU now in the US news rankings I think, though as a private school they have a bit more flexibility on who they let in. We were ahead of them until a year or two ago but they have always been decent, at least since the online rankings have been around.


Belton Ag
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So we have 3 schools with a legit shot at a natty, how many does Texas have? 3 if you include oklahoma...
Yes you have 12 D1 schools, Florida has 7 or 8 I think, but the top end talent should be congregating at the top end schools, just like we should not lose talent to USF or UCF you shouldn't lose it to Houston, Baylor or even TCU. In the end it should be three schools against three for the true championship level talent. The only school ironically that has been able to consolidate it for more than a couple of good years in the last nearly half century is Oklahoma -'they have been able to do what the Texas schools haven't, which speaks to my earlier point.

oh and on the academic front, sadly Miami is ranked ahead of both UF and TAMU now in the US news rankings I think, though as a private school they have a bit more flexibility on who they let in. We were ahead of them until a year or two ago but they have always been decent, at least since the online rankings have been around.


You should also throw LSU and Arkansas into the mix of top talent that leaves Texas for other schools. While they lack the sheer number of Texas players in their roster that OSU and OU have, they also have had a firm foothold in recruiting this state for years. So the top end Texas talent congregates at Texas, A&M, OU, OSU, LSU, Arkansas and TCU.

As far as Miami goes, yes I know they have a decent school; but you're not fooling anyone by trying to claim their football program doesn't play fast and lose with eligibility rules.
oragator
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LSU has 13 Texans, Alabama has 12 Floridians.
Arkansas has 27 Texans, Louisville has 34 Floridians.
Plus we have 16 at WVA, 13 at SC, 9 at UGA, 14 at Auburn, 6 at Miss State, etc etc etc.
Both states get poached, quality programs keep the high quality in state talent at home - which the two big Texas schools have either failed to do, failed to manage when they kept them in, or the kids are overrated.

And believe me the last thing I want to do is defend Miami, just pointing out that as a school they aren't bad, since you referenced academic standards and not admissions standards. Since they are private less is known about how far down they go to take kids, but most major schools generally recruit the same talent pool, with a few exceptions.
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Arkansas has 27 Texans, Louisville has 34 Floridians.
LSU has 13 Texans, Alabama has 12 Floridians.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg7gxAG8YS4

[This message has been edited by elgoob (edited 7/24/2012 12:40p).]
oragator
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If you are speaking of Louisville and Arky, look at the recruiting for the 2 schools over the past 3 years on Rivals (As far back as I went because that's when Strong started there and why they hit FLA so hard), their classes are almost identical ratings wise. They both averaged almost exactly 3.0 stars for the three years.
They are pulling the same kinds of kids, Petrino was just able to get more out of them and had an extra couple of years to build his base.
Belton Ag
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The reason why they went to Louisville and WVU is because there are less options in Florida for a kid who wants to play at a higher level than Florida Atlantic but don't get offered by Miami, Florida and FSU. In Texas, if a kid isn't offered by OU or tu or A&M, he can go to Baylor, Texas Tech, or TCU and still play for a BCS berth. He can't do that in Florida. I think it's no secret that a very select few can go into Florida and recruit elite talent away from UF, FSU and Miami. In Texas it happens a lot. On top of that, the two and three star guys who make up the backbone of special teams and depth are able to go to Baylor, Tech, and 7 other in-state schools and start.

Ive already said its hard to seperate Texas Cali and Florida HS talent. I'm partial to Texas obviously, but it's rediculous to use college national championships as your yardstick to measure who's best.

As far as Miami, perhaps I wasn't clear enough in distinguishing the football program from the rest of the school.
Biz Ag
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I imagine Charlie Strong has alot to do with so many Florida kids at Louisville.
zmurda
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don't even have to read posts to say FTW to AgStephen...that meme is effing awesome, I used to use it all the time, but forgot about it. Thanks for the reminder...
OxygenAg
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Blue star for this thread. Some good hate circulating through here.

Oh yeah... We are gonna curb stomp our SEC opponents.... when we reach our potential.

Big Ed Gator
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Belton Ag,

according to the link below this post, it appears that Florida football is superior to texas football. Florida high schools were 5-1 against texas high schools back in 2010. The majority of these games were in y'alls back yard.

http://www.dallassouthnews.org/2010/09/13/texas-vs-florida-high-school-football-what-did-we-learn/

Beating texas high schools like ya stole something is the norm.
I wonder if y'all called off the series?
Rusty GCS
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Texas and Florida each field over 500 HS teams. And your argument is that your whole state is better because of 6 games?

Big Ed Gator
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Texas and Florida each field over 500 HS teams. And your argument is that your whole state is better because of 6 games?


Yup and also these games against you guys...

2007
Miami 34, tamu 17 @ Miami
That Miami team finished 5-7 that year with Randy "It will help us more than you know" Shannon at the helm. That Miami team, as Charles Barkley would say, was turrible.

2008
Miami 41, tamu 23 @ Kyle
UF beat that Miami team 26-3 earlier and it wasn't even close. Miami finished 7-6 that year. We were nat'l champs beating big 12 champ OU that had the "greatest offense ever known" or something like that.

2010
tamu 27, FIU 20 @ Kyle
FIU? You guys struggled to beat FIU? FIU? We're talking golden panthers! FIU? Please...

Even the author of the article agreed about the greatness of football here in the sunshine state.

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Upon further examination, the top teams in the lower classifications in Florida are capable of beating the larger classifications in Texas. An example of that was 2A Florida defending champs Cocoa knocking off Texas 5A kingpin Abilene and recently beating defending Mississippi 6A champs Olive Branch, 14-7. This is generally unthinkable in Texas, outside of 7-on-7 football.


Boooyaaaahhh!!! Texas hs football=overated.



[This message has been edited by Big Ed Gator (edited 7/27/2012 10:31p).]
elgoob
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Dear lovable Big Ed... too long, didn't read. Perchance I should just point this out again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvt798rMrvA

Have a nice day.

[This message has been edited by elgoob (edited 7/27/2012 10:46p).]

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