I'm really not interested in what the toothless wonders think.


There are several posters here that seem to have a clear understanding of the situation.

No pressure kid. Don't sht the bed

Dang, I was hoping the Penn ST QB transfer rumors were false.



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The thing is, Japan, there is no excuse for LSU not having a decent QB since Matt Flynn graduated.

One would think that with all that recruiting power, you could nab one guy to hit. But unfortunately, I think the problem was coaching more than talent. Former OC Gary Crowton sure screwed with the heads of those QBs and it hasnt been corrected thus far.

I don't expect Mett to be anything more than average next year. He has never had a college start. We shall see - if LSU gets any production past 10 yards from their QB, everyone else is in trouble.

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Mettenberger didn't redshirt last year. He just couldn't crack the two deep. Im not sure why everybody thinks he a savior.

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I've been wondering this. Until SEC media days when he was interviewed, I thought he had redshirted last year. But apparently he just wasn't good enough to beat out either Jefferson or Lee? Those guys were both damn near incompetent. Why does everyone think Mettenburger is that much better?



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The thing is, Japan, there is no excuse for LSU not having a decent QB since Matt Flynn graduated.

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Perrilloux was supposed to be next up. He was a stud QB with a good performance in the SECCG during the national championship season but he got booted off the team. I believe his last offense was skipping classes. This caused the coaching staff to play a QB transfer from Harvard but he got a season-ending injury only a couple games into the season. He was pretty awful. Then the staff was forced to throw Jarrett Lee into the fire too early. He could've been a great QB but he was psychologically torn to shreds but SEC defenses that he faced. Jordan Jefferson replaced him as a true freshman after Lee's int's got way out of hand. TX high schooler Zach Lee signed on as one of the nation's top pocket passers but he was drafted by the Dodgers in the first round, so he went the MLB route. All of these misfortunes plus Gary Crowton's inability to develop a QB brought 4 seasons of atrocious QB play.

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I've been wondering this. Until SEC media days when he was interviewed, I thought he had redshirted last year. But apparently he just wasn't good enough to beat out either Jefferson or Lee? Those guys were both damn near competent. Why does everyone think Mettenburger is that much better?

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CoachLB nailed it when he said that Les Miles was in a very difficult position in deciding who to would play QB with a national championship season on the line. He had to decide out of QB's who have played and started since their freshman years or a QB who just came from JUCO with no reps against SEC defenses. The safest choice was the one with the most experience and that seemed to have worked as they were blowing out opponents by 30+ points per game.

Scouts seem to have great write-ups about Mettenberger. That plus his great performances in spring games is what fuels the high expectations that the fans have for him. If he can just become a reliable QB who could make good decisions, we hit the jackpot.

The safe choice was 2 guys that sucked?

I guess that is safer than a guy he thought sucked more.


And Bolden is penciled in at 3rd string right now but I expect him to be 1B come September. Les has a hard-on for dual threat QBs all the way back to his Ok St days.

Helllloooo QB controversy. Nice to see you again

I see that you hope to find chaos develop within LSU's roster at QB. Here is a question for ya. Since it is so hard for you to see Mettenberger to step in and be a better QB than Jefferson/Lee then what do you think about TAMU's situation? The defense was very awful last season and the offense will have an inexperienced QB replace a first round draft selection. So how does anyone expect much better than a 6-6 season while in the SEC?

We have an entire new staff. One that is perceived an upgrade or we'd still have Sherman.

And last year we had an 11-1 team that went 7-6 (we count that bowl win). I expect us to take a step back from what we should have been, which should be a small step forward from where we actually were.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask. I'm pretty much an expert

I think having Mettenberger as an upgrade over Jefferlee is a much more realistic expectation than what you just said.

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Not on TexAgs

Man, you can only have so many misses before those kinds of excuses have to fall by the wayside.

Perrilloux I understand, but for four entire seasons they can't find a passable QB? And then you again miss on Gunner Kiel? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Who do you have waiting in the wings? Stephen Rivers and Jerrard Randall? Randall was a pretty highly-touted recruit, but he's another one of your dual-threat guys that is sort of out of his element in LSU's offense. And even though Rivers has a great pedigree, he hasn't seen even a sniff of playing time and wasn't all that highly-touted of a recruit. If Mett goes down this year, y'all are in the exact same situation as Jarrett Lee/Jordan Jefferson four years ago in that 7-5 year y'all had.

Looking at the current recruiting class, y'all have some solid guys, but again, they won't be ready to go for a while.

So the point still stands: it remains to be seen if Les Miles can field a decent QB at LSU.


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Also forgot that Gunner Kiel left LSU at the altar and then Lesticles publicly made fun of him.

That's not how you attract top QBs

Kiel was set to enroll early but left the staff waiting at the airport on the day that all early enrollees were supposed to report. So I do not feel bad for the jab that Miles made at a signing day luncheon full of LSU recruiting fanatics.

Stephen Rivers' dad actually said Stephen was further along in development than his brother Phillip during their senior years in high school. The reason why you haven't seen Stephen Rivers play is because he red-shirted therefore he wasn't allowed to play. Rob Bolden was brought for extra depth at QB.

@AeroAg2012, now you have to give JJ and J Lee some credit man, they don't have to be a Heisman canidate to be a good QB. They made a huge accomplishment.

gator - I'll give you this. Jordan Jefferson has been lights-out in two bowl games, the Chick-fil-a Bowl vs. Georgia Tech and the Cotton Bowl against us, albeit against us only after the QB of our defense and our second best pass rusher were taken out on the same illegal and dirty block out of bounds.

I've never seen him be an effective passer in any other game. LSU has had a passable offense due to their stable of ridiculous RB talent and their wideouts being athletic enough to make the first guy miss on short passes.

Again, just for some background, I watch LSU football quite often because my whole family is from Louisiana. I think the only games of theirs that I have missed since around 2005 were non-televised or at the same time as an A&M football game that I was watching or attending at the time.

Japan - Yeah, that is total coach-speak on Rivers. You do realize that Philip Rivers had 51 consecutive college starts and threw for 13,484 yards and 95 TDs. To say that this guy is a RS-FR and a backup to an untested JUCO QB that didn't play over the likes of Jefferson and Lee last year is further along than one of the best collegiate QBs of all time is about as close to mind-numbingly dense as you can get.

When Stephen throws for over 3,000 yards and 25 TDs as a true freshman starter, maybe you have a case. Oh wait, he's a redshirt and a backup...

First off, as an avid Ark fan, anyone who takes anything from Hogville as the typical Ark fan is nuts. You'll still get banned from there if you don't think Mitch Mustain won't still somehow manage to win a Heisman!

Second, Lsu doesn't need their new QB to win games for them. Very similar to Bama's QB's. With that said, the kid is a pretty good pocket passer and will make the defense play their safeties honest and not run blitz constantly. Personally I hope the kid falls on his face but just don't think he will.

@AeroAg2012, you have a good point man.

Is it really that painful to say that Mettenberger has a good chance to become a good college QB? I'm not going as far as saying he is the next Peyton Manning and I never heard of another LSU fan ever make that comparison. Judging by what we have seen him do during the off-season and from what the experts who get paid to analyze potential NFL players have to say, he has a good chance to become the best QB at LSU since Matt Flynn.

gotta also remember that lsu just needs a game manager at QB who can make the throws when called to do so.

seems like mettenberger has the ability to do that...

No one has said that Mettenberger can’t be good. He clearly has the talent to do so.

We are laughing at the Tiger fans (and there are plenty of them) that think the answer to all their problems is the guy that couldn’t crack the 2 deep last year.

well that i agree with

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No one has said that Mettenberger can’t be good. He clearly has the talent to do so.

We are laughing at the Tiger fans (and there are plenty of them) that think the answer to all their problems is the guy that couldn’t crack the 2 deep last year.

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THIS

The coaching staff went with guys who have been in the system for years over a relative unknown with a high ceiling. The reasoning was pretty simple.

Unknown? He was on campus for 9 months before the first game!

And what you knew about JJ and Lee wasn't very good!

Mettenberger did not show up on the field until spring practice started in March so that gave him less than 6 months up until the roster was finalized before the first game of the season. 6 months is barely enough time to fully grasp the playbook, develop a strong bond with the other players, and get acclimated to the environment. Stepping onto the field in Tiger Stadium is big change from that of a JUCO stadium.

Like I said before, he didn't set himself apart from the other 2 QB's during the summer, therefore there was not enough for the coaches to give him a bump over the other QB's.

Here is the only sample that has Mettenberger taking equal snaps with the starter in live action:

C/ATT YDS TD INT
Lee 9/10 133 1 0

Mett. 8/10 92 1 0

The game was only against Northwestern State earlier in the season but it was the only sample that can provide a comparison of Mettenberger to Jarret Lee, who was the starter at the time. The numbers are very similar even though one QB was in his 5th year with the program and the other QB was in his first year.

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It was also against Northwestern State, man. The point is that you have no reason to anoint him as some program Messiah.

No one is saying he can't be a good QB. But what y'all are doing is akin to us crowning Jameil Showers the next Peyton Manning.

You are missing the point. The example compared the results of 2 QB's who played against the same team. No one is claiming Mettenberger as the next Peyton Manning but fan expectations are that he will save the offense from 4 years of terrible QB play which really isn't that tall of a task. He doesn't even have to be Matt Flynn good to meet expectations.

Have you seen the Mettsiah pic above?

You're not making bad points about why you expect Mett to be good. And I don't disagree with them mostly.

But, you're way off base on your fans. Do you live in Japan? Because I'm in Louisiana and people think Mett is going to be at worst a Top 2 QB in the SEC behind Tyler Wilson.

I just don't see it. I think it's more likely he's benched for being arrested. The list of stories of his continued partying isn't short

After Tyler Wilson, Aaron Murray and Tyler Bray are the only SEC QB's who have proven to be any good on the field. Bray had a season ending injury and Mettenberger went head-to-head with Murray for the UGA starting job while they were freshmen. I am pretty reasonable with my expectations and I will be disappointed if he isn't top 3 in QB efficiency within the SEC with the supporting cast he has around him.
That Mettsiah gif is more for humor than actual expectation from the fanbase. I hope you understand LSUFreak's gif's are just for humor as well.



Edit: Mizzou's QB James Franklin looks to be pretty good as well but not sure how well his style of play will translate in the SEC.

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A.J. McCarron isn't exactly a slouch, either, and he has one full season starting under his belt. Connor Show of South Carolina will most likely be better than Mett as well based on previous results.

Also, any Sumlin QB will be a badass

Your Mettsiah is down to about 6th or 7th now.

And I've followed LSUFreek for years

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That Mettsiah gif is more for humor than actual expectation from the fanbase.

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Except even you started off saying he was "clearly better"

Again, he may be great. But most LSU fans are already putting him as the next Tommy Hodson

AJ McCarron looked awful against LSU in game 1 but looked great in game 2. I'm not completely sold on McCarron but I think he has great up-side. Connor Shaw isn't all that good IMO. Maybe he will step up his game this season but his numbers last year were not that impressive and Alshon Jeffrey's performance regressed with him as QB.