Burrito was even a sleaze in that Kevin Costner movie.

Embarrassed

No matter how the sips feel about the circumstances, the bottom line is they want to get back to championship ball and all think our former coach is the one to do that.

I think that is why this shocked and hurt the Aggie community the way it did. We may loathe sips and want to dismantle them in all things, but we would have never gone this low, made it this personal (injurious and duplicitous), or have done real harm to these players. It's just to me unthinkable, and it truly shook me to the core of my being that this type of man was in our dugout with our boys. It makes my skin crawl. I'm glad he is gone and I apologize for ever supporting him and letting him have the keys to our beloved Aggie baseball program. I hope they can reconcile what they have done with God, because I know I sure could not have pulled what they pulled. Not now, not ever.

Wish I had more than one star to give your post! You speak the "TRUTH"!

Mark Fairchild said:

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Wish I had more than one star to give your post! You speak the "TRUTH"!

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You and I talked about it and it is a filthy deviant move that normal, humane, acceptable humans do not do to one another. Life is quickly becoming like a twitter circus where humans think that actions have no consequences; humanity and compassion are still worth more to me than winning.
Thanks mom and dad for once again raising me up right and as an Ag (but those two are one and the same).

I think the answer changes based on your age and whether you have kids or not.

In my 20s and most of my 30s, I was win at all costs. As a Texans fan, I used to lament the years that Brian Cushing didn't use steroids because he was a way worse player than when he was on them.

As a parent now, I wouldn't want a coach that pulled that stuff being an influence on my kid, if I had a baseball-playing son. He's living proof of a bad lesson, which is "if you have talent in sports, you can get away with almost anything." I don't want my kid learning that and I genuinely feel bad for the t.u. players who are from good families, because now they're getting "led" by a coach who clearly only thinks about himself first, to such a myopic degree that he sees nothing wrong with jumping ship 24 hours (or less) after the season ends.

And it will happen to them as well. And I think t.u. knows that deep down. Either he'll have a lax season and start looking for a new job and take some even more insane deal from some program trying to make the next big splash with deep pockets - like an Oregon - or he'll get them to the CWS or even a title, and this cycle will repeat itself when that situation aligns with some other great power - LSU or USC or Az State - fires their coach and decides it's time to get back in the game with a major coup.

Exactly.

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Today a diehard horn coworker wore his t.u. polo to work because he's so pumped about Schloss. I should note he is generally a respectable and good dude, not one to blindly support unethical dealings, but this got me to thinking…if we had done this to them how would I feel?

As much disdain as I have for the sips, I could never feel proud of A&M for dealing in such a bad faith and duplicitous manner. I would have a hard time supporting the program going forward. Maybe it's just because I now have my own kids coming of age and I'm trying to instill character in them, but the older I get the more I buy into the cliches about integrity meaning more than winning.

15 years ago I would have thought it was worth any price to stick it to the sips, but nowadays I'm content to just let them enjoy their arrogance and condescension while holding myself, my kids, and my university to a higher standard of integrity.

(This is not to say A&M never has or will act in poor form…the way Mike Sherman was fired comes to mind…but I'm comforted that any such dealings are widely met with disapproval from the Aggie community at large)

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Would probably laugh but think it was so shady and slimy and disgusted where college sports are.

The Marksman said:

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If we stole tu's coach who had just led them to the championship and his all-star coaching staff(not to mention having a shot at his MLB-level players), we'd be over the moon. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

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This.

Sure, there would be a few posters saying this was slimy etc. etc., but the vast majority of TexAgs posters (and probably all Aggies) would be absolutely thrilled they "stuck it to the 'sips."

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

The Marksman said:

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If we stole tu's coach who had just led them to the championship and his all-star coaching staff(not to mention having a shot at his MLB-level players), we'd be over the moon. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

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Well, context is important. If we'd been talking to him for months and leading our own coach on and he was working to steal players during that championship, no, I wouldn't be happy with that. Those aren't the people we want, and waiting that came out of it would be tainted. If we would him and his staff months later with just a bigger checkbook and being somewhere he'd rather be more, then yeah I'd be happy.

It's the difference between being happy that you were the other guy when the chick you've been banging burns down her now ex's house because she's a ***** and being happy that you were just more desirable.

I don't really care about their taking our coach especially based on the whole idea that he really didn't want to be here . We can and will move on from that quickly.

The timing of it sucked and I feel like we wouldn't have done it like they did and they had a willing accomplice in our shop that certainly facilitated it .

If it is proven they effectively tampered with /offered our players transfer deals in season… that's beyond slimy and I have to think there will be some sort of price for them to pay for that.

Finally , you can't control what they do. They are not going to keep us from being successful . No one is or has but ourselves . We are ultimately responsible for our success or lack thereof so as far as I'm concerned we should not whine about this and move on with the steps necessary to be the best we can.

I honestly don't think A&M would have approached it the way tu did. I want to believe they would have fired the coach after the MCWS.

I remember how sympathetic we were of the TCU fans who were somewhat distraught over our hiring Schloss.

WestGalvestonAggie said:

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It's easy to justify destroying your enemy...

I would honestly prefer never dealing with them in any capacity whatsoever than to pull something like this.

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Not sure that you intended to make the point that sips should no longer be considered "rivals", but rather have become our "enemies". But if you did then I'm 100% in agreement. The last decade plus of not dealing with those *******s was as good as it will ever get IMO.

I'm sure we'd all be gloating about stealing the #2 team in the nation's coach.

We'd be rubbing it in our rivals face.

Kinda like now...




Schossng is gone, we've had 3 days of venting. **** that guy, let's move on. We;ve got a coach to steal!

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.


#nextup

You lost me at generally he's a respectable and good dude

Hiring coaches always happens all the time. What he did using the family nonsense in his lie, no contact with the team was flat out due to lack of character and integrity. If it happened here I'd say the same dam thing plus be embarrassed as a fan. Anyone who thinks that was ok needs a self check on their own morals.

TAMUallen said:

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I'd be glad at their displeasure but ID HATE how we were ****ing **** ty slime balls.

If our AD posted a gigem thumbs up with a picture of a cemetery, I'd be headed to college station to punch him in the face before he was fired

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Mind you that I personally spoke to Loftin at Texas A&M. That man cared and acted. He spoke honestly and made sure that those under him did as he directed.


We need more of Loftin at A&M and we need to stop being appeased with anything less

I'd be excited from a baseball perspective but it would make me feel pretty slimey to root for him as a person.

It would be like if we hired Urban Meyer or Hugh Freeze. Great coaches but terrible people

I would also be able to admit that the position was announced the day of the title out of pettiness and that likely the deal had been weeks in the making… I wouldn't be as naive as some of the sips are acting

A&M and everyone else is guilty of poaching, but I honestly don't believe we would ever do it this badly to completely nuke a program like this. That being said, if we ever got the opportunity to **** sip over in the future, I wouldn't shed a tear.

WestGalvestonAggie said:

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It's easy to justify destroying your enemy...

I would honestly prefer never dealing with them in any capacity whatsoever than to pull something like this.

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WestGalvestonAggie said:

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It's easy to justify destroying your enemy...

I would honestly prefer never dealing with them in any capacity whatsoever than to pull something like this.

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One thing is certain. Right now there are a half dozen baseball coaches at highly successful D1 programs that have secret communications with burner phones (or with secret agents) with our AD about our open coaching position. They are sneaking around and keeping a low profile to wisely avoid upsetting any fans about their interest in the A&M position. Perhaps their agents are even secretly meeting in grave yards or
abandoned buildings. All sounds sneaky and underhanded.

But this search process isn't being done in the middle of a national championship season. And announcement of the deal won't be delayed while a tainted coach is hosting recruits who might picking between the two teams. And the coach won't be actively making game altering decisions which might affect the momentum of the two programs. A secret handshake deal with a HUGE payout in the future (Schloss' new contract) creates an unmanageable conflict of interest.

If that's true then stop.

Knock on the damn front door.