Schlossnagle Backfire with Regard To Recruiting

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8:58p, 7/3/24
This whole thing has become very public and has left a lot of egg on the UT baseballs coaches face.

There's lots of reasons to come to A&M. But I wonder if there's also some savior thinking going on with recruits.

Do you think this backfires on their recruiting efforts and we actually have kids that wouldn't normally come here actually consider us to get us over the hump and back to the CWS finals.


And are the motivated because in part they sense the injustice of what happened?

Or is this not a thing at all and kids are coming just as they were before?
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9:01p, 7/3/24
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NIL goes a lot further than facility upgrades and our current recruiting haul is a reflection of that.
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In reply to themissinglink • 9:42p, 7/3/24
themissinglink said:
NIL goes a lot further than facility upgrades and our current recruiting haul is a reflection of that.


Yea but also our facilities are 2nd to none & we've got an 80 MM stadium upgrade coming


Sipy stadium is a heap of dog**** w astro turf from the 80s
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In reply to Kraft Punk • 10:55p, 7/3/24
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themissinglink said:
NIL goes a lot further than facility upgrades and our current recruiting haul is a reflection of that.


Yea but also our facilities are 2nd to none & we've got an 80 MM stadium upgrade coming


Sipy stadium is a heap of dog**** w astro turf from the 80s
Facilities matter to a certain extent; they reflect on the administration's commitment to excellence. A crappy stadium can be overcome with a dump truck loaded with cash, but the kind of player who'd sign that deal is a pure mercenary and not really the kind you want to build a program around. You can get that with great facilities too (see: Jimbo Fisher's recruiting strategy), the facilities just make it easier to attract mercenaries.

There's a happy medium between them all where quality character, quality skill, and quality programs meet to produce champions
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12:28a, 7/4/24
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For the elite level players, the facilities that matter are focused on player development, and that's the kind of thing Coach Earley mentioned in his press conference wanting to emphasize

Everyone's got nice player lounges and locker rooms, show me state of the art digital hitting analysis rooms etc
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8:44a, 7/4/24
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The shine is definitely off of his personal identity as a coach at this point.

Any cache that he had as a successful, up and coming elite coach in NCAA has been tarnished so bad that his personal identity is just as much of a liability as it is an asset. Some recruits might like the idea of playing for a winning coach that takes a mercenary approach to the business of NCAA baseball, but just as many if not more recruits, and their families, will be turned off by his lack of honesty and general POSness.

While this is not the most important consideration, NIL is #1, player development is #2, it is still important.

tu's attempted coup of our program completely bit them in the ass. If they had acted with class, we would have looked a lot smaller, they would have looked like the mature big-boys, and their baseball program would be set to absolutely f'ing explode.

Butt, it's d-do university we are talking about here. They don't have the discipline to act with grace. They came off like the entitled, petulant narcists that they are.

Dumb move by du.
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In reply to BusterAg • 8:45a, 7/4/24
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Well said!
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In reply to BusterAg • 8:53a, 7/4/24
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And they have been acting this way forever. They have had only one coach that could overcome their arrogance that actually hurts their sports programs. Mac Brown is the only coach they have had since I have been alive to overcome it.

Sark is going to fail. It will be interesting to see what happens with Schloss. Pierce lost the team last year. I'm not sure their players are strong enough to deal with Schloss's personality.

There was a parent of a player who posted a few daysago that said the 2022 team was able to rally together to overcome his antics. Most teams are not going to be able to do this.
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In reply to 87_Was_Long_Ago • 8:57a, 7/4/24
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87_Was_Long_Ago said:
For the elite level players, the facilities that matter are focused on player development, and that's the kind of thing Coach Earley mentioned in his press conference wanting to emphasize

Everyone's got nice player lounges and locker rooms, show me state of the art digital hitting analysis rooms etc


Our batting cages need some serious improvements. They better be addressing that now. Even if it's temporary until the stadium rebuild.
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9:19a, 7/4/24
Yes, Schloss is a POS.
Yes, Earley/staff/NIL have helped bring back guys (who also think Schloss is a POS).
Yes, think we've kept a couple HS studs (and new football/baseball kid might be pretty good).
Yes, facilties/stadium will also help.
Yes, A&M has a lot to offer as a premier baseball program (win it all next year, sky is really the limit).

But, Schloss/Cain can recruit and will be a long term battle (they are getting some HS talent, have had a couple HS kids switch, kept one of their better players, and landing some transfers like the pitcher from LSU).

So, Kendall R. is correct that the next few years will truly show if sustainable as take the emotion out of the current scenario (personally not a fan of his - did he play for the cowbells).

Btw, Schloss will get a pass next year as he will be afforded time to 'build' team/program for a year (it will be a short leash). He'll have some transfer talent and some talent on current tu roster, but he may be setting up for the following year (as this will all; die down).
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In reply to 90ags • 9:37a, 7/4/24
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It takes a special kind of player and team to deal with a coach like Schloss. TBD if the typical type of player that goes to Texas is able to do it.

I'm not sure they will be mentally strong enough.
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In reply to 90ags • 10:17a, 7/4/24
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90ags said:
Yes, Schloss is a POS.
Yes, Earley/staff/NIL have helped bring back guys (who also think Schloss is a POS).
Yes, think we've kept a couple HS studs (and new football/baseball kid might be pretty good).
Yes, facilties/stadium will also help.
Yes, A&M has a lot to offer as a premier baseball program (win it all next year, sky is really the limit).

But, Schloss/Cain can recruit and will be a long term battle (they are getting some HS talent, have had a couple HS kids switch, kept one of their better players, and landing some transfers like the pitcher from LSU).

So, Kendall R. is correct that the next few years will truly show if sustainable as take the emotion out of the current scenario (personally not a fan of his - did he play for the cowbells).

Btw, Schloss will get a pass next year as he will be afforded time to 'build' team/program for a year (it will be a short leash). He'll have some transfer talent and some talent on current tu roster, but he may be setting up for the following year (as this will all; die down).
I agree with everything you just posted.

But, that doesn't speak to the fundamental analysis of my post. The shine has come off of his personal identity, something that was nothing but an asset has become more of a liability.

The fact that he wins and that DU has a huge NIL checkbook means he will still get good recruits. Just not as many as he would have if Snausages and DU would have acted with some semblance of class.
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In reply to LB12Diamond • 10:20a, 7/4/24
Agree, but we've had a couple A&M teams 'deal' with him and were fine (maybe not known how much of a POS he is and a couple explaining after the fact). Some state he was a POS here as he really didn't like it after arriving...either you like A&M culture or you don't. He was fighting it from the beginning on many levels as he wanted to change some of it (easily seen by how much he fought back and wanted change in baseball and even suggesting football changes).

But, he still won due to pieces put together and kids will look at that regardless. Saban is an ahole too on so many levels (but loyal to his wife) and still won (and if you're winning, easy to attract more talent).

Frankly, I've never understood what makes Schloss a good/great baseball 'coach' (even prior to A&M). But he's won pretty consistently and it's gathering talent and apparently, he expects perfection with a short leash with players. Believe why tu is also enamored with him as they are stating more like Augie's (sp) personna and the yester-year mentality (hard nose). Why they are lol'ing at some of the players who were 'whinning' after the fact as they want a coach to be that hard nose guy (it's 'their' culture).

Time will tell and hope tu fails and Schloss struggles and gets replaced (doubt it with his snook cemetery relationship w CDC). But, tu has too much NIL to offer and kids will play there regardless of his moral construct (plenty of talent that tu will be in the equation). He will tell them he will not leave as there's no other place he wants to truly be (and do think that's a true stmt, from him today).
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In reply to BusterAg • 10:28a, 7/4/24
Yea, I don't disagree with your post either. But, I do think we'll know more in 2 seasons from now if anyone outside of A&M really cared.

In today's construct of society and social media, betting more will forget about it (or cover it up) and HS/college kids may not really take any of this into consideration (only Former and current students in A&M who are invested in the athletic program will care). tu will flash money and history and youngins minds will be erased.

Now, Tenn folk may agree with us (as they are having harsh run-ins with tu posters everywhere on many topics), but all the other programs seem to be at a 'so-what attitude' about it (many said A&M just weak and whining), but I'm old school and chalk that up to value systems between a true Aggie vs. mentality of society in general.

Time will tell.
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In reply to 90ags • 10:31a, 7/4/24
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Schloss wins bc he recruits well. TBD if his latest antics hurt that one.

He wins bc he does have some very specific things in place that work.

The batting aspect of being patient. Swing at strikes approach is a solid aspect bc this hurts most college pitchers who are not consistent.

And he wants his pitchers to get in pitcher friendly counts early and often.

He also makes good choices on his weekend starting Pitcher lineup.

Another area that is important in baseball is the mental side of the game. He understands this one. However his narcism actually hurts his teams at times. And that's the point I was making earlier. My thoughts on why he has not won it all, he hurts his team by being to hard on them or belittling them in high pressure games. Theres going be tons more pressure on him at Texas so there's a good chance it gets worse than it gets better.
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10:48a, 7/4/24
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Where baseball is different than the other major sports is the background of the players. Basketball and to a lesser extent football are filled with kids from big cities that often have economic disadvantages stemming from any number of reasons but at the end of the day their upbringing is less stable than the average kid. The partial scholarship thing makes baseball a middle class sport because families have to spend about 60% of the cost to attend. The middle class tends to provide a more stable home life with two parents and you can bet the average middle class mother of a HS baseball player isn't going to be excited to send her son to a guy she knows has the issues Schloss has. Swinging is a really unusual lifestyle that people don't talk about for obvious reasons but it's out in the open now and it's never going away. For some families that will matter, for others it won't. We may see them having to rely more on transfers than HS kids since I would assume parents have less influence in those decisions. He's a heck of a coach and will win it'll just mine interesting to see how he gets there given the baggage he has.
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11:10a, 7/4/24
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another small aspect of this...

A&M and t.u. are in the same conference now

so they will rarely be placed in each other's "Omaha path" in the postseason

like the 2 programs were in 2014, 2018, and 2024

(it could still happen like it almost did in the 2023 super-regionals)

but by and large both programs will be competing against ACC and Big 12 schools to reach Omaha -- and both should have advantages

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11:12a, 7/4/24
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Schloss had a great run at TCU from 2014 to 2017

but then his 2018 and 2019 clubs were not very good...33-23 and 34-28 respectively

so his style and approach doesn't work every year
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11:16a, 7/4/24
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I bet tu and TCU are in the same Omaha path a time or two in the near future though.
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11:23a, 7/4/24
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It appears POS is on vacation right now with his swinging side piece.

Earley in his PC said he was not taking one until December.

Just food for thought.
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In reply to W • 11:29a, 7/4/24
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W said:
Schloss had a great run at TCU from 2014 to 2017

but then his 2018 and 2019 clubs were not very good...33-23 and 34-28 respectively

so his style and approach doesn't work every year


It was brought up recently that those great TCU teams were in large part recruited by Vitello. The two great teams he had here were recruited by Cain. His success stems from having an ace recruiter on staff and it seems when he gets that hire wrong he struggles. At some point Cain will become a head coach so we'll see who he brings in as a replacement. Also be interesting to see if the swinging thing causes problems with future hires as the wives of younger coaches don't want their husbands around someone like him. Pretty my Mrs LOYAL AG wound object.
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In reply to W • 11:34a, 7/4/24
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He's very much a CEO coach and if he hires crappy assistants, it doesn't work well for him. Yeskie was not good and put together 2 of the worst pitching staffs since the Mark Johnson days. Luckily, Earley was an outstanding hitting coach and able to mask those deficiencies.

I think he's a good baseball mind and very organized in his process so I don't expect him to fail with the sips.
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11:35a, 7/4/24
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tu has too much in their NIL war chest to lose much momentum in their baseball recruiting efforts, which has been stellar recently….two back to back top 3 classes….these kids will not remember Schloss d**k move next year or moving forward….As much as I hate Snakenagle….I'd expect tu to continue and recruit at an elite level in baseball….
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In reply to Bring n WOOD • 11:44a, 7/4/24
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Bring n WOOD said:
tu has too much in their NIL war chest to lose much momentum in their baseball recruiting efforts, which has been stellar recently….two back to back top 3 classes….these kids will not remember Schloss d**k move next year or moving forward….As much as I hate Snakenagle….I'd expect tu to continue and recruit at an elite level in baseball….
Both A&M and tu are too huge with vast access to resources in prime recruiting country to ever be 'beaten' by the other. There may be ebbs and flows but both will win their share of punches and counter punches. It is Godzilla vs King Kong.

I suspect A&M baseball has done great keeping its roster intact and pulling in a couple of surprises even already, not only because of Earley but b/c there were substantial NIL funds available (and even more funds than normal as a reaction to what happened RE Schloss to tu). Earley no doubt was given plenty of NIL $$$ to get off to a great start.
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In reply to Bring n WOOD • 11:45a, 7/4/24
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They probably will recruit well based off name alone, but I don't know how much of baseball HS recruiting is focused on NIL. Certainly the transfer portal and players already on campus are getting something, but very little for freshmen. My understanding from reading sip fan comments is that their baseball NIL is behind us and the top of the SEC (LSU, Tenn)
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 11:55a, 7/4/24
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yes, TCU can bank on the Austin or College Station regional every year

and so can Lafayette
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In reply to Kraft Punk • 12:01p, 7/4/24
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Kraft Punk said:
themissinglink said:
NIL goes a lot further than facility upgrades and our current recruiting haul is a reflection of that.


Yea but also our facilities are 2nd to none & we've got an 80 MM stadium upgrade coming


Sipy stadium is a heap of dog**** w astro turf from the 80s


Makes you wonder if he wanted to commit that money before he left so we were broke for NIL.
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1:09p, 7/4/24
tu is going to get HS players that are highly regarded. A&M , LSU, the Vols also will have a roster of very talented players.
Player evaluation and caching will determine which teams are regularly in Omaha.
Lack of playing time will prevent any one team from stacking talent.
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1:48p, 7/4/24
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One has to look at Shloser's history and his assistants. He has been talking about the number of his former assistant coaches who have gone on to be head coaches. What this tells me is he is a good coach who knows great assistants, which have led to his successes, while he has yet to get that natty he treasures. So far, all I know is his former assistant Vitello has won a natty, before Schloser did...that's gotta hurt.

At TCU, it may have been coaches like Vitello who were keys for his apparent success. At A&M, again it is likely the assistants who were the drivers, specifically, Early for hitting and Wiener at pitching. There has been lots of discussion on how Early elevated the batting averages, higher number of walks, less strikeouts since he took over. Same with Wiener, how the number of walks issued dropped and the ERA dropped significantly this past season. Additionally, Schloser commented a few times during the season, he was not the one communicating to the pitchers/hitters when they were playing, which indicated the assistants were communicating that information. The relationships with the players rested with the assistants, not Schloser.

Unlike a head coach like Saban, who seemed to not only be able to hire great assistants, he must also know the systems he is running and which is why Saban was able to consistently be challenging for championships. I think that Saban was the key for Alabama's success, whereas a person like Schloss is dependent on his assistants for the success IMO. The HC cannot be totally reliant on the assistants for success, because the assistants are likely to be poached by another program and replacements found.

I really like how this is shaping up with Early. Albert's asked the players for their input in the end, and now they have a players coach who knows part of the system success in hitting; hopefully he has the right guy as a pitching coach. Time will tell if Early will be "that guy", but indications sure point to him being a great starting point and I like our chances going forward. I am happy we have discarded the Jim "rats" from our programs.
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In reply to RossWag • 2:06p, 7/4/24
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Tony V left him though for ann assistant job.

So good he can identify solid coaches. Bad they don't want to stay with him.

Even though I'm not sure who else has besides TV and Earley is a head coach.
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In reply to BusterAg • 2:13p, 7/4/24
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BusterAg said:
The shine is definitely off of his personal identity as a coach at this point.

Any cache that he had as a successful, up and coming elite coach in NCAA has been tarnished so bad that his personal identity is just as much of a liability as it is an asset. Some recruits might like the idea of playing for a winning coach that takes a mercenary approach to the business of NCAA baseball, but just as many if not more recruits, and their families, will be turned off by his lack of honesty and general POSness.

While this is not the most important consideration, NIL is #1, player development is #2, it is still important.

tu's attempted coup of our program completely bit them in the ass. If they had acted with class, we would have looked a lot smaller, they would have looked like the mature big-boys, and their baseball program would be set to absolutely f'ing explode.

Butt, it's d-do university we are talking about here. They don't have the discipline to act with grace. They came off like the entitled, petulant narcists that they are.

Dumb move by du.


I suspect player development is #1 and NIL is #2 at least for the guys that are going to play in the MLB and really want to max their MLB payday. There is probably a second tier of guys that college is their payday and NIL is higher than player development. But I'm guessing we would prefer more of the future MLB guys anyway.
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In reply to BiochemAg97 • 2:28p, 7/4/24
I still think player evaluation is # 1
coming out of high school there are some that are going MLB and no amount of NIL going to stop that
The next group some will be very good players some will be great.

GG , JL, RP, EA etc ended up being better than the guys Ole Miss , tu, LSU FSU signed
Gotta pick the right guys and coach them up.
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