lol, I was wondering if TexAgs had ever turned on a coach as fast as this. I guess the results of '22 made me forget how some did the same thing to the PoS.themissinglink said:
We've started much, much slower than I expected but still time to turn it around. The bats have been just dreadful and the biggest thing that gives me confidence is the one consistency during the prior 3 years was our offense was awesome and we hired the guy that coached that.
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Nah, they're toast.
They will be near the bottom of the SEC
They will be near the bottom of the SEC
VegasAg86 said:It doesn't take an Aggie bias to say you can't make definitive statements after 3 weekends.BraxtonW said:Muktheduck said:BraxtonW said:
I don't think they are done. I think they will be better. I don't see them getting anywhere close to hosting but def could win a game in a regional, best chance make it out.
Lol
They could still be a national seed. If they start hitting the ball they will win SEC series and that holds way, way more weight then OOC midweeks.
This isn't football or basketball. Losing to cupcakes or having a bad week doesn't kill you. Especially with the schedule we play, there is plenty of opportunity to make up for it. And our starting pitching on weekends has been nails, they just need the run support
No I understand what you're saying. I have the most hope but my comment was more of a non biased look of what I've seen. I hope and pray I'm wrong.
We hosted a Super in '22 after losing the series to Penn in week 2 and 2 games Frisco in week 3.
This team absolutely has the talent to host a super. Whether we do remains to be seen. We certainly won't if we play like we did before Wednesday.
Everyone knows they have the talent. Coaching?
"I don't care about your feelings OP. I'm not going to let fandom replace reason, thought, and history"
Seeing what we have seen after 15 games , over a 1/4 of the season and not playing a true road game yet
I don't see anyway we finish in the top half of the SEC standings, a top 8 national seed does not look possible, regional host looks very doubtful
Hope I'm wrong.
I don't see anyway we finish in the top half of the SEC standings, a top 8 national seed does not look possible, regional host looks very doubtful
Hope I'm wrong.
VegasAg86 said:lol, I was wondering if TexAgs had ever turned on a coach as fast as this. I guess the results of '22 made me forget how some did the same thing to the PoS.themissinglink said:
We've started much, much slower than I expected but still time to turn it around. The bats have been just dreadful and the biggest thing that gives me confidence is the one consistency during the prior 3 years was our offense was awesome and we hired the guy that coached that.
A fun thread from March 2022
What happened to our baseball program?
We need to get them loose. The hair thing was a good start. But I feel like we need something in the dugout or the 1B coach. Gum, candy, pickle juice shots, something . For all of PoS' faults we did have some sort of unifying object theme when we got down those 3 years to kinda celebrate when things went well.
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When our hitters are focused and play team baseball, we can outslug anyone and probably overcome a shaky bullpen with the talent we have starting on the mound. The problem is that our hitters seem to pick and choose when they are serious about being an elite team and when they hit like they are hungover. Sure, when the south wind starts blowing some of these flyouts will be gone, but the same goes for our opponents. This team in undisciplined af and it's a combo of a new head coach who's too green and friendly with the players to drop the hammer on them and what appears to be a couple of players who aren't as committed as they could be to leading this team to a special year. Performance thus far certainly seems to point to who's in which group.
Texags and human nature are very consistent.themissinglink said:
We've started much, much slower than I expected but still time to turn it around. The bats have been just dreadful and the biggest thing that gives me confidence is the one consistency during the prior 3 years was our offense was awesome and we hired the guy that coached that.
A fun thread from March 2022
What happened to our baseball program?
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does not look like it as of nowAggie Dad 26 said:VegasAg86 said:It doesn't take an Aggie bias to say you can't make definitive statements after 3 weekends.BraxtonW said:Muktheduck said:BraxtonW said:
I don't think they are done. I think they will be better. I don't see them getting anywhere close to hosting but def could win a game in a regional, best chance make it out.
Lol
They could still be a national seed. If they start hitting the ball they will win SEC series and that holds way, way more weight then OOC midweeks.
This isn't football or basketball. Losing to cupcakes or having a bad week doesn't kill you. Especially with the schedule we play, there is plenty of opportunity to make up for it. And our starting pitching on weekends has been nails, they just need the run support
No I understand what you're saying. I have the most hope but my comment was more of a non biased look of what I've seen. I hope and pray I'm wrong.
We hosted a Super in '22 after losing the series to Penn in week 2 and 2 games Frisco in week 3.
This team absolutely has the talent to host a super. Whether we do remains to be seen. We certainly won't if we play like we did before Wednesday.
Everyone knows they have the talent. Coaching?
the bottomline...
the non-conference losses -- especially the ones at home -- are really cutting into the Ags' margin for error with regard to a top 8 seed or regional host
probably have to win 2 or 3 road series in league play to clean up the metrics
(which is what the 2022 team did to overcome its slow start)
the non-conference losses -- especially the ones at home -- are really cutting into the Ags' margin for error with regard to a top 8 seed or regional host
probably have to win 2 or 3 road series in league play to clean up the metrics
(which is what the 2022 team did to overcome its slow start)
This loss hurt our potential turnaround with momentum.
I know the weather wasn't great but the energy seemed to be lacking as well. I don't know if we need to be doing some Savannah Bananas type stuff or what but we definitely need to get amped up with somebody leading hard to rally this team
I know the weather wasn't great but the energy seemed to be lacking as well. I don't know if we need to be doing some Savannah Bananas type stuff or what but we definitely need to get amped up with somebody leading hard to rally this team
I'll be in Nashville for hopefully road series win 1...
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OEF VET 2011-12, 13-14
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-Thermistocles
Titan 20 '09, EMPSA '20
OEF VET 2011-12, 13-14
We're toast. Likely a season where I watch tourney games of another team.
Prove me wrong, Team...
Prove me wrong, Team...
Unfortunately against mostly below average competition they haven't looked like a very good team so I'm not sure national seed or regional host talk is warranted. I've watched every game and there's something not right. I get the injuries but lots of teams have injuries. Jury still out on Earley for sure.
Yale swept Rice this weekend.
Toast would be an upgrade at this point. We're gonna be home for the postseason (and not because we're hosting) at this rate.
I remember going to the first conference series at LSU in 2022 and just hoping that we wouldn't get swept. Things can turn around pretty quickly. Will they, is another question.
Starting pitching looks strong. The only real problem with the bullpen is that we've been trying to protect slim leads (or keep it close) in too many games. The pieces are there. If we produce at the plate, I think we'll be satisfied with what we see out of the pen.
As to the hitting, I do think the weather providing more conducive hitting conditions will help, and we certainly could get a boost from getting Sorrell back. What really concerns me on hitting is not just getting out of the current slump, but, what it means for this team's goals. The goal this year isn't just to make it to Omaha, but to win it. If we start hitting balls out of the park and scoring runs when the weather turns warm, we can get on a hot streak and easily make it to Omaha. But, what do we do when we get there?
You can talk about exit velo all you want, but if you get typical weather at Omaha (which we did not get last year--it was abnormally cool, and either a north wind or no wind frequently), then we will be a fly ball out hitting machine. This team has got to find a way to get guys on base, and that has little to do with the weather (maybe one or two extra base hits to the alley will be lost when the wind is blowing in a gale). If we were getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving them there, that would be one thing. But, when we're allowing opposing pitchers to retire 10 or more in a row, that's quite another.
Starting pitching looks strong. The only real problem with the bullpen is that we've been trying to protect slim leads (or keep it close) in too many games. The pieces are there. If we produce at the plate, I think we'll be satisfied with what we see out of the pen.
As to the hitting, I do think the weather providing more conducive hitting conditions will help, and we certainly could get a boost from getting Sorrell back. What really concerns me on hitting is not just getting out of the current slump, but, what it means for this team's goals. The goal this year isn't just to make it to Omaha, but to win it. If we start hitting balls out of the park and scoring runs when the weather turns warm, we can get on a hot streak and easily make it to Omaha. But, what do we do when we get there?
You can talk about exit velo all you want, but if you get typical weather at Omaha (which we did not get last year--it was abnormally cool, and either a north wind or no wind frequently), then we will be a fly ball out hitting machine. This team has got to find a way to get guys on base, and that has little to do with the weather (maybe one or two extra base hits to the alley will be lost when the wind is blowing in a gale). If we were getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving them there, that would be one thing. But, when we're allowing opposing pitchers to retire 10 or more in a row, that's quite another.
I find it interesting that some on here are talking about a top 8 national seed or regional host possibility. I'm wondering if we get into the postseason at this point. My best guess would be a 3 seed somewhere unless our offense does a 180.
dermdoc said:Texags and human nature are very consistent.themissinglink said:
We've started much, much slower than I expected but still time to turn it around. The bats have been just dreadful and the biggest thing that gives me confidence is the one consistency during the prior 3 years was our offense was awesome and we hired the guy that coached that.
A fun thread from March 2022
What happened to our baseball program?
Wow, so in '22 we were 10-6 before conference play started. I don't recall the particulars of the losses, but I remember wondering if we hired the wrong coach from TCU. I think TCU started off very hot that year, but then tapered off through the year, obviously opposite of the '22 A&M team.
lots of ball left...
strangely enough...the bullpen is my chief concern
last year's team...with a great offense...played 11 league games decided by 2 runs or less
A&M swept Auburn by scores of 9-7, 12-8, and 10-9
there will be weekends where the starting pitching struggles and the bullpen has to shut down the opponent late
last year's team...with a great offense...played 11 league games decided by 2 runs or less
A&M swept Auburn by scores of 9-7, 12-8, and 10-9
there will be weekends where the starting pitching struggles and the bullpen has to shut down the opponent late
twk said:
I remember going to the first conference series at LSU in 2022 and just hoping that we wouldn't get swept. Things can turn around pretty quickly. Will they, is another question.
Starting pitching looks strong. The only real problem with the bullpen is that we've been trying to protect slim leads (or keep it close) in too many games. The pieces are there. If we produce at the plate, I think we'll be satisfied with what we see out of the pen.
As to the hitting, I do think the weather providing more conducive hitting conditions will help, and we certainly could get a boost from getting Sorrell back. What really concerns me on hitting is not just getting out of the current slump, but, what it means for this team's goals. The goal this year isn't just to make it to Omaha, but to win it. If we start hitting balls out of the park and scoring runs when the weather turns warm, we can get on a hot streak and easily make it to Omaha. But, what do we do when we get there?
You can talk about exit velo all you want, but if you get typical weather at Omaha (which we did not get last year--it was abnormally cool, and either a north wind or no wind frequently), then we will be a fly ball out hitting machine. This team has got to find a way to get guys on base, and that has little to do with the weather (maybe one or two extra base hits to the alley will be lost when the wind is blowing in a gale). If we were getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving them there, that would be one thing. But, when we're allowing opposing pitchers to retire 10 or more in a row, that's quite another.
Agree. I still think it is strange that so many veteran players seemed to have gone into a slump at the same time.
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dermdoc said:twk said:
I remember going to the first conference series at LSU in 2022 and just hoping that we wouldn't get swept. Things can turn around pretty quickly. Will they, is another question.
Starting pitching looks strong. The only real problem with the bullpen is that we've been trying to protect slim leads (or keep it close) in too many games. The pieces are there. If we produce at the plate, I think we'll be satisfied with what we see out of the pen.
As to the hitting, I do think the weather providing more conducive hitting conditions will help, and we certainly could get a boost from getting Sorrell back. What really concerns me on hitting is not just getting out of the current slump, but, what it means for this team's goals. The goal this year isn't just to make it to Omaha, but to win it. If we start hitting balls out of the park and scoring runs when the weather turns warm, we can get on a hot streak and easily make it to Omaha. But, what do we do when we get there?
You can talk about exit velo all you want, but if you get typical weather at Omaha (which we did not get last year--it was abnormally cool, and either a north wind or no wind frequently), then we will be a fly ball out hitting machine. This team has got to find a way to get guys on base, and that has little to do with the weather (maybe one or two extra base hits to the alley will be lost when the wind is blowing in a gale). If we were getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving them there, that would be one thing. But, when we're allowing opposing pitchers to retire 10 or more in a row, that's quite another.
Agree. I still think it is strange that so many veteran players seemed to have gone into a slump at the same time.
The only veterans struggling are Jace and Schott right?
HoustonAg2106 said:dermdoc said:twk said:
I remember going to the first conference series at LSU in 2022 and just hoping that we wouldn't get swept. Things can turn around pretty quickly. Will they, is another question.
Starting pitching looks strong. The only real problem with the bullpen is that we've been trying to protect slim leads (or keep it close) in too many games. The pieces are there. If we produce at the plate, I think we'll be satisfied with what we see out of the pen.
As to the hitting, I do think the weather providing more conducive hitting conditions will help, and we certainly could get a boost from getting Sorrell back. What really concerns me on hitting is not just getting out of the current slump, but, what it means for this team's goals. The goal this year isn't just to make it to Omaha, but to win it. If we start hitting balls out of the park and scoring runs when the weather turns warm, we can get on a hot streak and easily make it to Omaha. But, what do we do when we get there?
You can talk about exit velo all you want, but if you get typical weather at Omaha (which we did not get last year--it was abnormally cool, and either a north wind or no wind frequently), then we will be a fly ball out hitting machine. This team has got to find a way to get guys on base, and that has little to do with the weather (maybe one or two extra base hits to the alley will be lost when the wind is blowing in a gale). If we were getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving them there, that would be one thing. But, when we're allowing opposing pitchers to retire 10 or more in a row, that's quite another.
Agree. I still think it is strange that so many veteran players seemed to have gone into a slump at the same time.
The only veterans struggling are Jace and Schott right?
Gavin (was) and Kash
Aggies1322 said:HoustonAg2106 said:dermdoc said:twk said:
I remember going to the first conference series at LSU in 2022 and just hoping that we wouldn't get swept. Things can turn around pretty quickly. Will they, is another question.
Starting pitching looks strong. The only real problem with the bullpen is that we've been trying to protect slim leads (or keep it close) in too many games. The pieces are there. If we produce at the plate, I think we'll be satisfied with what we see out of the pen.
As to the hitting, I do think the weather providing more conducive hitting conditions will help, and we certainly could get a boost from getting Sorrell back. What really concerns me on hitting is not just getting out of the current slump, but, what it means for this team's goals. The goal this year isn't just to make it to Omaha, but to win it. If we start hitting balls out of the park and scoring runs when the weather turns warm, we can get on a hot streak and easily make it to Omaha. But, what do we do when we get there?
You can talk about exit velo all you want, but if you get typical weather at Omaha (which we did not get last year--it was abnormally cool, and either a north wind or no wind frequently), then we will be a fly ball out hitting machine. This team has got to find a way to get guys on base, and that has little to do with the weather (maybe one or two extra base hits to the alley will be lost when the wind is blowing in a gale). If we were getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving them there, that would be one thing. But, when we're allowing opposing pitchers to retire 10 or more in a row, that's quite another.
Agree. I still think it is strange that so many veteran players seemed to have gone into a slump at the same time.
The only veterans struggling are Jace and Schott right?
Gavin (was) and Kash
Forgot about Kash, but GG was injured so I'm not counting that. There were multiple strikeouts where he was visibly in pain (he probably shouldn't have been out there after the first weekend)
Schott is injured as well. He knows he has to at least hit a double to get on first.
While purely conjecture, it is hard for me not to believe in a real impact on losing a coach who brought you further than imaginable in program history, the success alone inspiring faith and confidence, only for him to turn out to be a selfish, conniving, double-dealing, back-stabbing POS who abandoned you at the height of your achievement - despite the players' willingness and desire to duplicate last year's effort.dermdoc said:twk said:
I remember going to the first conference series at LSU in 2022 and just hoping that we wouldn't get swept. Things can turn around pretty quickly. Will they, is another question.
Starting pitching looks strong. The only real problem with the bullpen is that we've been trying to protect slim leads (or keep it close) in too many games. The pieces are there. If we produce at the plate, I think we'll be satisfied with what we see out of the pen.
As to the hitting, I do think the weather providing more conducive hitting conditions will help, and we certainly could get a boost from getting Sorrell back. What really concerns me on hitting is not just getting out of the current slump, but, what it means for this team's goals. The goal this year isn't just to make it to Omaha, but to win it. If we start hitting balls out of the park and scoring runs when the weather turns warm, we can get on a hot streak and easily make it to Omaha. But, what do we do when we get there?
You can talk about exit velo all you want, but if you get typical weather at Omaha (which we did not get last year--it was abnormally cool, and either a north wind or no wind frequently), then we will be a fly ball out hitting machine. This team has got to find a way to get guys on base, and that has little to do with the weather (maybe one or two extra base hits to the alley will be lost when the wind is blowing in a gale). If we were getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving them there, that would be one thing. But, when we're allowing opposing pitchers to retire 10 or more in a row, that's quite another.
Agree. I still think it is strange that so many veteran players seemed to have gone into a slump at the same time.
I really hate that guy.
While there are many factors, I personally believe much of the performance woes are due to fallout from his classless departure which carried an implicit message - you guys, and this school, aren't good enough for me.
Your captain left because he had no faith in you.
Tell me that doesn't have a significant impact, because in every other aspect of life it sure does.
Then throw in change in roster, injuries, weather, what have you. But the biggest piece is being abandoned by someone you believed in and had you performing at your best.
/end rant
While there are many factors, I personally believe much of the performance woes are due to fallout from his classless departure which carried an implicit message - you guys, and this school, aren't good enough for me.
Your captain left because he had no faith in you.
Tell me that doesn't have a significant impact, because in every other aspect of life it sure does.
Then throw in change in roster, injuries, weather, what have you. But the biggest piece is being abandoned by someone you believed in and had you performing at your best.
/end rant
I think they feel that and that's leading to part of the pressing. They want so bad to prove him wrong.
trouble said:
I think they feel that and that's leading to part of the pressing. They want so bad to prove him wrong.
It's probably true, but they gotta get over it and just play ball….like now
themissinglink said:
We've started much, much slower than I expected but still time to turn it around. The bats have been just dreadful and the biggest thing that gives me confidence is the one consistency during the prior 3 years was our offense was awesome and we hired the guy that coached that.
A fun thread from March 2022
What happened to our baseball program?
Wow. That needs to be bumped for comparison sake.
. I expect 2022 is as unusual a turn around as you will find.themissinglink said:
We've started much, much slower than I expected but still time to turn it around. The bats have been just dreadful and the biggest thing that gives me confidence is the one consistency during the prior 3 years was our offense was awesome and we hired the guy that coached that.
A fun thread from March 2022
What happened to our baseball program?
HoustonAg2106 said:trouble said:
I think they feel that and that's leading to part of the pressing. They want so bad to prove him wrong.
It's probably true, but they gotta get over it and just play ball….like now
I agree but it's a lot easier to say that from my seat than theirs. Betrayal is tough to put behind you.
I agree OP. As long as our fielding holds and Caden Sorrell comes back and returns to form, this is going to be a pretty good team.
Without a really dependable closer, this is not an Omaha team. Closer is my biggest concern.
No reason to go jumping offa cliffs at this point tho.
Without a really dependable closer, this is not an Omaha team. Closer is my biggest concern.
No reason to go jumping offa cliffs at this point tho.
snowdog90 said:
Here's the difference.
Baseball is not football. Pitching is huge. Our pitching looks good, and should get better. If you have pitching, you always have a chance.
As we figure our players and lineup out, we should get better in the field and at the plate.
Last year's team was special. It was probably greedy for us to expect to just roll on like last year. Now we know. This is a new team trying to replace about 12 guys who kicked ass last year. There will be bumps in the road and we should have expected that. Let's see how they respond, and let's support them as best we can.
It's not the same? Both programs have...
Head coach named Mike
A previous head coach who screwed the program
Some of the best talent money can buy
And.... mediocre results
Sounds pretty similar to me
Adam87inSA said:
I agree OP. As long as our fielding holds and Caden Sorrell comes back and returns to form, this is going to be a pretty good team.
Without a really dependable closer, this is not an Omaha team. Closer is my biggest concern.
No reason to go jumping offa cliffs at this point tho.
WELL said. I have more hope than confidence at this point and look forward to seeing Bama play on Friday at Blue Bell.
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