When do we panic?

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AngryAG
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AggieBB said:

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AggieBB said:

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AngryAG said:

Starting 0-5 in conference play isn't pole position.
This season is a wash. We're just going to play the rest of the games and hope some of the young guys develop.
developing the young guys at this juncture is a moot point…they all transfer out.. know that.
This team has looked rough from the jump. It will get uglier, I'm afraid.

Gig'em
No they don't


You don't think after a wildly disappointing season and finishing near the bottom of the SEC, that our top recruits and starters won't transfer?
If Earley is back our current starters will be back for the most part. Except those that are draft eligible. So no.


A housecleaning might be already in progress.
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If Earley is back our current starters will be back for the most part. Except those that are draft eligible. So no.
Is that just your thought on the matter, or do you have some factual basis for saying that? My concern is that, with the way this season has gone, we'll have all of our talent hitting the portal even if Earley comes back. For guys like Grahovac and Sorrell, who would be playing in the draft year, maybe the sunk costs are such that they decide to ride it out, but, frankly, I'd be surprised if that happened. Look at what Braden Montgomery did, and there are other examples. In this day and age of the transfer portal and NIL, there doesn't seem to be much keeping players at a school if they think there is something bigger and better down the road.
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Ang said:


A housecleaning might be already in progress.
Please explain.
Bunk Moreland
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Exactly. The true complete roster rebuild will be this off-season. I think you just hit the reset button program wide if we continue the free fall.
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Honest Question- what would it say to potential head coach prospects if we were to part from Earley right this moment? Do any of you feel like that in and of itself says more negatively about our current state than just finishing things out? Other than a move like David Pierce to Rice, what other coach who is one of the "caliber" we'd want would be fine with someone, a colleague, being canned 3 months into the season? What a risk (and coinciding pressure) that is for them to step into. Who would risk basically having the same thing happen?

Just a thought.
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We shouldn't fire Earley at this point, but should start putting out feelers and talking to agents. It's clear to me that Earley just isn't cut out to deal with the head coaching responsibilities of a program like A&M, at least not at this point in his career. And delaying the move will only set the program back further...
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I'm certainly not in favor of firing Earley during the season. Why? Is some coach going to come in here and massively turn around our season? And I mean massively. Just don't see that happening, so just let the season play out.

Now, barring a significant sign (or signs) of some something positive, Early needs to go at the end of the season. If not, I think we can say Trev is not serious about a winning baseball program.
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JeepWaveEarl said:

Honest Question- what would it say to potential head coach prospects if we were to part from Earley right this moment? Do any of you feel like that in and of itself says more negatively about our current state than just finishing things out? Other than a move like David Pierce to Rice, what other coach who is one of the "caliber" we'd want would be fine with someone, a colleague, being canned 3 months into the season? What a risk (and coinciding pressure) that is for them to step into. Who would risk basically having the same thing happen?

Just a thought.
It's not a great look, but if Trev just goes out and explains why we took a gamble on hiring Earley, and that it just didn't play out, I think other coaches would understand that they aren't going to get a one year audition. Particularly a veteran coach with some skins on the wall.

Our opening last year just hasn't happened before. There have been big name coaches leave from time to time, but not after the CWS in the transfer portal era. We were in uncharted territory, and tried to keep the ship from sinking. Turns out, it sank anyway.
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I don't think it would be a bad look. People would see and understand. And for 'well why would a coach trust A&M to come here'....easy...we're on the hook for Earley's buyout for 3 more years, so we damn sure aren't going to make another quick firing. Hell it might even provide more security.
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I don't think firing him during the season is going to happen, or that it would make much of a difference anyway.

I don't think firing him after one year would hurt us though since the unique circumstances of his hiring situation. I think most would view it similar to an interim coach being let go.

If we hired a brand new coach instead of Earley last year they almost certainly would've gotten several years, but Earley was hired specifically to maximize our chance this season.
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It's well past time to panic. Something needed to be done in the offseason to prevent this. We have too many guys just cashing a check.
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BadMoonRisin said:

right now.
that's what Rice did
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The cool thing about baseball is the fans stay heated all summer!!!
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SigAg6 said:

BadMoonRisin said:

right now.
that's what Rice did


I mean rice was in year 3 of that regime… so not exactly the same scenario
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And Rice had a former assistant and experienced head coach immediately available, thru total coincidence unrelated to our situation.
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I hate to say this but NOW...ASAP!
Gig Em Ags, God Bless Old Army and Marching in Behind the Band! Whooooopppp
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I'd give him 3 seasons to make his mark.

Coach Ford is in her 3rd season and it's clear to me she has what it takes. Look at her W-L record over that time.

We just had super high hopes as a fan base. But clearly we lost some key players and a very good Coach. Now that things are not going great we get to see how this coach deals with adversity.
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PabloSerna said:

I'd give him 3 seasons to make his mark.

Coach Ford is in her 3rd season and it's clear to me she has what it takes. Look at her W-L record over that time.

We just had super high hopes as a fan base. But clearly we lost some key players and a very good Coach. Now that things are not going great we get to see how this coach deals with adversity.
You could sense after 10-15 games of her first season that Coach Ford was a good coach, then after she went 35-21 (12-12 in a very tough SEC) you knew we had a great one.

Coach Earley has been pretty much the exact opposite so your comparison is no bueno.

ETA: Coach Ford's specialty when we hired her was that she was a great pitching coach. She IMMEDIATELY turned our pitchers around during her first season. Earley is a hitting coach, and well.....
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Wabs said:

PabloSerna said:

I'd give him 3 seasons to make his mark.

Coach Ford is in her 3rd season and it's clear to me she has what it takes. Look at her W-L record over that time.

We just had super high hopes as a fan base. But clearly we lost some key players and a very good Coach. Now that things are not going great we get to see how this coach deals with adversity.
You could sense after 10-15 games of her first season that Coach Ford was a good coach, then after she went 35-21 (12-12 in a very tough SEC) you knew we had a great one.

Coach Earley has been pretty much the exact opposite so your comparison is no bueno.
Plus, what Earley defenders are forgetting is the lineup he inherited!! Every ranking site said we had the most talented lineup in the country! Now I could see them being wrong by 2-5 teams but we're not even top 25 now. This is clearly a coaching and leadership failure. Give us Tennessee or LSU coach and we are a top 5 team...
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OA_02 said:

Panic should start when Trev announces Earley is coming back after the worst season of the century and biggest collapse of a pre-season number 1 in cbb history.


Oh GOD!

Panic is over for me. This team is VERY CLEARLY done. I know baseball and this team is something awful. Be lucky to finish as the 3rd worse team in the SEC this year and that's a stretch IMO.

Sorry, not crapping on the team or players. Just speaking the facts. We havent missed a single game at Blue Bell or on TV for last 3 years....I aint watching this mess remainer of season but from afar. That's a mental health check for me more than anything as this entire thing is honestly depressing. Could never have imagined this outcome and the clueless look of this team as many times throughout a game. Easy call to cancel Omaha plans.
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PabloSerna said:

I'd give him 3 seasons to make his mark.

Coach Ford is in her 3rd season and it's clear to me she has what it takes. Look at her W-L record over that time.

We just had super high hopes as a fan base. But clearly we lost some key players and a very good Coach. Now that things are not going great we get to see how this coach deals with adversity.
We'll be 3-4 years further behind after his 3 year term if he stays that long. He's in over his head. There's a chance he can turn it around but there's no evidence that he will. FWIW I hope he does.
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dcg4403 said:

OA_02 said:

Panic should start when Trev announces Earley is coming back after the worst season of the century and biggest collapse of a pre-season number 1 in cbb history.


Oh GOD!

Panic is over for me. This team is VERY CLEARLY done. I know baseball and this team is something awful. Be lucky to finish as the 3rd worse team in the SEC this year and that's a stretch IMO.

Sorry, not crapping on the team or players. Just speaking the facts. We havent missed a single game at Blue Bell or on TV for last 3 years....I aint watching this mess remainer of season but from afar. That's a mental health check for me more than anything as this entire thing is honestly depressing. Could never have imagined this outcome and the clueless look of this team as many times throughout a game. Easy call to cancel Omaha plans.
Completely agree. I have 2 young boys and I am not buying tickets and going to see this slop until theirs a change at leadership. It's clear to anyone who knows baseball this is a failure at leadership and not a talent/effort issue. Even Earley says the teams is hungry to win, they just have now leader to direct them how to go about winning...
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PabloSerna said:

I'd give him 3 seasons to make his mark.

Coach Ford is in her 3rd season and it's clear to me she has what it takes. Look at her W-L record over that time.

We just had super high hopes as a fan base. But clearly we lost some key players and a very good Coach. Now that things are not going great we get to see how this coach deals with adversity.
this is not a good comparison at all. Trisha had an EXTENSIVE resume as a head coach, assistant, hitting, recruiting, etc... We hired her away from ASU for goodness sake. And even with that resume and heft the SEC proves to be a very difficult place to set up dominance. Ford is a bona-fide badass in the world of softball.

Earley's resume is NOT impressive if you are looking for someone who has the experience and dedication to make it work. To me he is the benefactor of having been under 1 'good' coach and 1 'great' coach. HARDLY a proven workhorse who know what it takes to build and maintain a dominant SEC presence.

HE is the epitome of having not earned the right to his position (privilege or whatever..). The university, fans and players are suffering through an extreme case of ignorance and blind stupidity on this decision.... so be it. I'm not surprised as the writing was on the wall since his name came up. Most Aggies at the decision desk had more of a "We'll stick it to Schloss" mentality instead of a "Get the BEST AND MOST PROVEN candidate". It's very rich that most are shocked by what seems the most likley outcome.... like going to the casino and shocked you didn't land on red 7.

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HE is the epitome of having not earned the right to his position (privilege or whatever..). The university, fans and players are suffering through an extreme case of ignorance and blind stupidity on this decision.... so be it. I'm not surprised as the writing was on the wall since his name came up. Most Aggies at the decision desk had more of a "We'll stick it to Schloss" mentality instead of a "Get the BEST AND MOST PROVEN candidate". It's very rich that most are shocked by what seems the most likley outcome.... like going to the casino and shocked you didn't land on red 7.
You make a lot of assumptions, namely, that we didn't make a run at hiring a top coach, and that this decision was motivated by some desire to stick it to the former coach. The truth is, that the timing of the opening made the job very unattractive to top coaches, who looked at the prospect of having to do a total roster rebuild (most of our guys would have transferred) with little opportunity to do anything about it in year one. So, we opted to try holding a talented roster together with the only guy who seemed likely to pull that off. The fact that it didn't work out doesn't mean it was a stupid gamble, unless you believe that 20/20 hindsight is the way to evaluate every move.
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The best way to look at Earley's hiring is an interim (provided we cut bait if he continues to struggle this season). We did not have a lot of good options because while schloss is an elite coach, he is also a skeevy sexual degenerate who needed to be with his eskimo brother, drunk del conte.

Eventually, schloss gonna send the wrong dick pic to the wrong coed in Austin and karma will be something.

But hiring Earley wasn't awful given the options, hanging onto him if he continues to produce these results is awful.
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Earley Error said:

The best way to look at Earley's hiring is an interim (provided we cut bait if he continues to struggle this season). We did not have a lot of good options because while schloss is an elite coach, he is also a skeevy sexual degenerate who needed to be with his eskimo brother, drunk del conte.

Eventually, schloss gonna send the wrong dick pic to the wrong coed in Austin and karma will be something.

But hiring Earley wasn't awful given the options, hanging onto him if he continues to produce these results is awful.
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We are in danger of missing the tournament since a 29-27 (9-21 SEC) finish in 2021, when we also missed the SEC tournament. We already lost 6 nonconference games to Cal Poly, Texas State, Arizona, Oklahoma State, UTSA, and New Mexico State before conference play even began on 3/14. We have dropped to 0-6 in SEC play and been outscored 30-15 in those 6 SEC games.

5 of our 8 remaining SEC series will be against top 10 opponents, and 4 of them will be away: No. 1 Tennessee (away), No. 2 Arkansas (away), No. 7 Texas (away), No. 8 LSU (Home), and No. 3 Georgia (away). I think the only winnable SEC series are against Kentucky, South Carolina, and Missouri, and we draw all 3 opponents at home. With a very brutal road schedule, I don't see us finishing better than 26-28 (8-22 SEC), even if we win all 7 of our remaining Tuesday games against HBU, UIW, Sam Houston (twice), Tarleton, Lamar, and Houston.

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If Michael Earley can't even make the regional with this roster, then Trev Alberts needs to fire him by the end of the season. Keeping him for another year or two will keep us in the SEC basement or close to it.
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AggieBB said:

annie88 said:

AggieBB said:

AngryAG said:

Starting 0-5 in conference play isn't pole position.
This season is a wash. We're just going to play the rest of the games and hope some of the young guys develop.


We will see how this statement stands up in May. But until then I'm going to enjoy Aggie baseball. Is it disappointing, sure. But in the scheme of life, it's still sports. I've been doing this long enough to deal with it from year to year.

I mean, if you historically look back over the last 10 seasons, especially with the transfer stuff, the teams that made it to the finals or hell even through the regionals and the next year were rarely the same.

Same in the pros.

I think some of you just need to either step back from sports completely or calm down. There's so many other things in life that are truly disappointing like losing loved ones and other things. Keep it in perspective people.

Gig 'Em
Where did all of that come from? I simply said the season is a wash. We're not going to play in a regional. That's it. Obviously I've already accepted it and am not real bent out of shape about it.
You may be right. But lots of season left. You can't say for sure right now that we will not be in a regional.
That's it.
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I still say we go after Tony Vitello. He currently makes $3M per year through June 30, 2029.

If he leaves before June 30, 2025, there is a $4M buyout.

If he leaves before June 30, 2026, there is a $3M buyout.

With BBP expansion coming, surely there is enough revenue increase to justify that for a proven winner.
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Those are not really assumptions. The time and experience that validated Ford's consideration for head coach were much more convincing and meritous than Earley's; so trying to draw comparisons between the two is off base. I was always of the opinion that his selection was premature in his career and woefully undeserving of this opportunity.
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jrodwh00p said:

Some people had the foresight to see it…..
If you keep patting yourself on the back, you may hurt yourself.
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Aww… that was cute. I figured I'd go an add more context because some would take it the wrong way
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Tony is a proven winner. He also seems to genuinely love the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, and the Vol fans. I also believe with the big money donors now in lock step with the baseball program since he has delivered a Natty, equaling or exceeding an outside offer would be fairly simple.
Certainly, no one knows what is going through a coach's head (i.e. Schoss), but in reading his body language during interviews, he seems to realize he is on the cusp of doing some great things in Knoxville over the next few years and he has the support and resources to keep it going.
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jrodwh00p said:

PabloSerna said:

I'd give him 3 seasons to make his mark.

Coach Ford is in her 3rd season and it's clear to me she has what it takes. Look at her W-L record over that time.

We just had super high hopes as a fan base. But clearly we lost some key players and a very good Coach. Now that things are not going great we get to see how this coach deals with adversity.
this is not a good comparison at all. Trisha had an EXTENSIVE resume as a head coach, assistant, hitting, recruiting, etc... We hired her away from ASU for goodness sake. And even with that resume and heft the SEC proves to be a very difficult place to set up dominance. Ford is a bona-fide badass in the world of softball.

Earley's resume is NOT impressive if you are looking for someone who has the experience and dedication to make it work. To me he is the benefactor of having been under 1 'good' coach and 1 'great' coach. HARDLY a proven workhorse who know what it takes to build and maintain a dominant SEC presence.

HE is the epitome of having not earned the right to his position (privilege or whatever..). The university, fans and players are suffering through an extreme case of ignorance and blind stupidity on this decision.... so be it. I'm not surprised as the writing was on the wall since his name came up. Most Aggies at the decision desk had more of a "We'll stick it to Schloss" mentality instead of a "Get the BEST AND MOST PROVEN candidate". It's very rich that most are shocked by what seems the most likley outcome.... like going to the casino and shocked you didn't land on red 7.



I hope everyone can keep this in mind when they want to hire the next "young, up and comer." This hire is the same as the Cardinals hiring Kingsbury to be their HC.
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TexAgs23 said:

I still say we go after Tony Vitello. He currently makes $3M per year through June 30, 2029.

If he leaves before June 30, 2025, there is a $4M buyout.

If he leaves before June 30, 2026, there is a $3M buyout.

With BBP expansion coming, surely there is enough revenue increase to justify that for a proven winner.


We wouldn't get him. We'd have to offer more than $3MM contract per year to lure him away. Probably a deal for at least 4 years guarenteed. Then throw on top the $4MM buyout to Tenn. Plus the $3MM buyout to Earley. You're looking at almost $20MM just to get a head baseball coach. I'm pretty sure the boosters would rather invest that money into football.

Plus Tenn would pony up too. It's not like they aren't in the SEC making loads of money like us too.
 
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