Pichael Thompson said:
We gave earley a 3mm guaranteed
For those interested in the financial side, someone posted the contract here earlier this week. It was basically $4M guaranteed over 4 years.
$3MM to fire Earley.... worth it?
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For those interested in the financial side, someone posted the contract here earlier this week. It was basically $4M guaranteed over 4 years.
Dad played here right?Your Mom And Them said:sharpdressedman said:Aggie Dad 26 said:The Marksman said:Vaughn, Heefner, O'Connervwbug said:
Top three realistic picks to replace him?
While he's probably my #1. I've been told here that there's zero chance
Yep. Zero chance.
Correct…I have some fairly deep connections to the DBU program and to a person have been told that Heefner will never leave DBU. His faith is the #1 thing in his life and he can live it out on a daily basis at DBU without worrying about university or athletic department administrators meddling.
Rob Vaughn, on the other hand….
John E said:Dad played here right?Your Mom And Them said:sharpdressedman said:Aggie Dad 26 said:The Marksman said:Vaughn, Heefner, O'Connervwbug said:
Top three realistic picks to replace him?
While he's probably my #1. I've been told here that there's zero chance
Yep. Zero chance.
Correct…I have some fairly deep connections to the DBU program and to a person have been told that Heefner will never leave DBU. His faith is the #1 thing in his life and he can live it out on a daily basis at DBU without worrying about university or athletic department administrators meddling.
Rob Vaughn, on the other hand….
Yep
Chuck Gay said:Pichael Thompson said:
We gave earley a 3mm guaranteed
For those interested in the financial side, someone posted the contract here earlier this week. It was basically $4M guaranteed over 4 years.
What is it with the fully guaranteed contracts?!
We are paying him almost the bare minimum for a big time SEC job. If his guaranteed money is any less than you have rival programs hammering that to recruits saying we aren't actually committed to him.
Not like it will matter anyway but getting mad over a $3M buy out (as opposed to a $2M buyout?) is the silliest thing I've seen on this board lately.
I realize it (hopefully) won't matter, but the optics of it do on the recruiting trail.
That extra $750k-$1M won't make a difference.
Not like it will matter anyway but getting mad over a $3M buy out (as opposed to a $2M buyout?) is the silliest thing I've seen on this board lately.
I realize it (hopefully) won't matter, but the optics of it do on the recruiting trail.
That extra $750k-$1M won't make a difference.
49 STRIKEOUTS IN THREE GAMES
Swept two SEC series in a row, one home, one away.
Bottom 3 in all offensive categories in SEC.
Swept two SEC series in a row, one home, one away.
Bottom 3 in all offensive categories in SEC.
dabo man said:
Wouldn't it do wonders for the status of our program to fire a first year coach?!? We would be reaping the benefits of that for years to come.
Give me an example of a real consequence of firing Earley aside from money for the buyout?
Fairview20 said:
We are paying him almost the bare minimum for a big time SEC job. If his guaranteed money is any less than you have rival programs hammering that to recruits saying we aren't actually committed to him.
Nonsense. A guaranteed lower salary with performance based bonuses to bring him to a competitive salary would be extremely fitting for a 1st time unqualified HC. I just don't buy that a rival coach would bring up coach salary that way, and if they did I struggle to see how it would be believable. Maybe I'm just ignorant, but that doesn't sound right to me.
at this point the biggest "optics" issue on the recruiting trail...
is going 5-25 or 4-26 or something in league play
is going 5-25 or 4-26 or something in league play
I thought this was a known thing about Heefner, no deep connections needed.Your Mom And Them said:sharpdressedman said:Aggie Dad 26 said:The Marksman said:Vaughn, Heefner, O'Connervwbug said:
Top three realistic picks to replace him?
While he's probably my #1. I've been told here that there's zero chance
Yep. Zero chance.
Correct…I have some fairly deep connections to the DBU program and to a person have been told that Heefner will never leave DBU. His faith is the #1 thing in his life and he can live it out on a daily basis at DBU without worrying about university or athletic department administrators meddling.
Rob Vaughn, on the other hand….
And Vaughn would be a great get no doubt, which means of course bama will be sure to lock him down this season. Don't think we ever took a serious look at him last year and yeah. That was an obvious mistake to at least not make a push in hindsight.
Pichael Thompson said:
We gave earley a 3mm guaranteed contract????
My God the jokes write themselves
Actually $4 million
You would be surprised at how dirty recruiting is then.
"They panic hired him. He won't even be there by the time you're a junior. Think I'm lying? They didn't even offer him a contract past your sophomore year."
Imagine you're a high profile HS recruit and you have Vitello, Van Horn, Schloss, etc telling you that.
The fact it will most likely prove to be true is irrelevant. It's an optics thing at this level of college baseball. Non starter.
"They panic hired him. He won't even be there by the time you're a junior. Think I'm lying? They didn't even offer him a contract past your sophomore year."
Imagine you're a high profile HS recruit and you have Vitello, Van Horn, Schloss, etc telling you that.
The fact it will most likely prove to be true is irrelevant. It's an optics thing at this level of college baseball. Non starter.
I am in full agreement. I am just pushing back on people freaking out over a $3M buy out acting like it's some big anchor, as opposed to if he had a $2M buy out. It's just complaining for the sake of complaining. We are one of the 10 biggest jobs in the country and there is a bare minimum financial level you have to have or else you will get hammered in recruiting for not being committed.
GymBroFisher said:Ya, you risk losing this fanbase. We all know this fanbase can't take tough times and isn't accustomed to any sort of hardships or misery. We only know winning, and if we aren't then we'll all just quit like winners.Hank the Grifter said:dabo man said:
Wouldn't it do wonders for the status of our program to fire a first year coach?!? We would be reaping the benefits of that for years to come.
If we were competitive and showing signs of *almost* being there, you might have a point.
You run the risk of losing the fanbase if you keep this guy around. What's more important to the AD, the paying customers or a perceived reputation by a bunch of coaches who are mercenaries?
This is the biggest crock of OFFAL that I have ever read on this site in 25 years. LOL! Congrats, troll. #flagged
lol! I wish I could get $3mm for completely failing in my profession.
I know recruiting is a dirty buisness I just guess I wouldn't expect that to work at all. Probably just see it that way because I wouldn't fall for it I guess.
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Captain Pablo said:Pichael Thompson said:
We gave earley a 3mm guaranteed contract????
My God the jokes write themselves
Actually $4 million
Why would we do that w someone completely unproven?
He would've been happy w a quarter of that guaranteed
I thought our ad was supposed to be an expert at frugality
The Marksman said:Vaughn, Heefner, O'Connervwbug said:
Top three realistic picks to replace him?
Heefner will never coach at a public college/university. Never. If you believe that, you don't know what is important to Heefner.
Ball 5 Ball 5 Ball 5
Game 6 Game 6 Game 6
Just get rid of the "nice guy" and get a baseball coach that has won a conference game before giving him a "guaranteed contract"....
Such an embarrassment but it isn't over.....when this team goes to Austin with NO MOMENTUM then we get to see who wants to keep this coach.
Game 6 Game 6 Game 6
Just get rid of the "nice guy" and get a baseball coach that has won a conference game before giving him a "guaranteed contract"....
Such an embarrassment but it isn't over.....when this team goes to Austin with NO MOMENTUM then we get to see who wants to keep this coach.
Right because (I'm assuming) you are a grown adult and have a lot of years in the real world since you were 18.
Not to mention it's actually a good argument from the rival coaches standpoint. You have a lot of very established coaches in this league. You're a brand new coach who got hired in a very unusual situation and have no skins on the wall. If you have a contract with no guarantees you are so far behind the 8 ball more than you already were. I doubt Alberts wanted to offer that contract, but like I said it's literally a non starter for recruiting purposes.
Not to mention it's actually a good argument from the rival coaches standpoint. You have a lot of very established coaches in this league. You're a brand new coach who got hired in a very unusual situation and have no skins on the wall. If you have a contract with no guarantees you are so far behind the 8 ball more than you already were. I doubt Alberts wanted to offer that contract, but like I said it's literally a non starter for recruiting purposes.
We are in danger of missing the tournament since a 29-27 (9-21 SEC) finish in 2021, when we also missed the SEC tournament. We already lost 6 nonconference games to Cal Poly, Texas State, Arizona, Oklahoma State, UTSA, and New Mexico State before conference play started 8 days ago. We have dropped to 0-6 in SEC play and been outscored 30-15 in those 6 SEC games.
5 of our 8 remaining SEC series will be against top 10 opponents, and 4 of them will be away: No. 1 Tennessee (away), No. 3 Arkansas (away), No. 8 Texas (away), No. 2 LSU (Home), and No. 4 Georgia (away). I think the only winnable SEC series are against Kentucky, South Carolina, and Missouri, and we draw all 3 opponents at home. With a very brutal road schedule, I don't see us finishing better than 26-28 (8-22 SEC), even if we win all 7 of our remaining Tuesday games against HBU, UIW, Sam Houston (twice), Tarleton, Lamar, and Houston.
If Michael Earley can't even make the regional with this roster, then Trev Alberts needs to fire him by the end of the season. Keeping him for another year or two will keep us in the SEC basement or close to it.
5 of our 8 remaining SEC series will be against top 10 opponents, and 4 of them will be away: No. 1 Tennessee (away), No. 3 Arkansas (away), No. 8 Texas (away), No. 2 LSU (Home), and No. 4 Georgia (away). I think the only winnable SEC series are against Kentucky, South Carolina, and Missouri, and we draw all 3 opponents at home. With a very brutal road schedule, I don't see us finishing better than 26-28 (8-22 SEC), even if we win all 7 of our remaining Tuesday games against HBU, UIW, Sam Houston (twice), Tarleton, Lamar, and Houston.
If Michael Earley can't even make the regional with this roster, then Trev Alberts needs to fire him by the end of the season. Keeping him for another year or two will keep us in the SEC basement or close to it.
This is who we need to go all in on.Your Mom And Them said:sharpdressedman said:Aggie Dad 26 said:The Marksman said:Vaughn, Heefner, O'Connervwbug said:
Top three realistic picks to replace him?
While he's probably my #1. I've been told here that there's zero chance
Yep. Zero chance.
Correct…I have some fairly deep connections to the DBU program and to a person have been told that Heefner will never leave DBU. His faith is the #1 thing in his life and he can live it out on a daily basis at DBU without worrying about university or athletic department administrators meddling.
Rob Vaughn, on the other hand….
HoustonAggie427 said:
We would owe him $3MM if we fired him at the end of the season. 100% of his remaining contract.
It's alot of $$ for baseball, but what's $3MM after the $77MM we paid Jimbo?
$80,000,000
Iraq2xVeteran said:
We are in danger of missing the tournament since a 29-27 (9-21 SEC) finish in 2021, when we also missed the SEC tournament. We already lost 6 nonconference games to Cal Poly, Texas State, Arizona, Oklahoma State, UTSA, and New Mexico State before conference play started 8 days ago. We have dropped to 0-6 in SEC play and been outscored 30-15 in those 6 SEC games.
5 of our 8 remaining SEC series will be against top 10 opponents, and 4 of them will be away: No. 1 Tennessee (away), No. 3 Arkansas (away), No. 8 Texas (away), No. 2 LSU (Home), and No. 4 Georgia (away). I think the only winnable SEC series are against Kentucky, South Carolina, and Missouri, and we draw all 3 opponents at home. With a very brutal road schedule, I don't see us finishing better than 26-28 (8-22 SEC), even if we win all 7 of our remaining Tuesday games against HBU, UIW, Sam Houston (twice), Tarleton, Lamar, and Houston.
If Michael Earley can't even make the regional with this roster, then Trev Alberts needs to fire him by the end of the season. Keeping him for another year or two will keep us in the SEC basement or close to it.
Dude, it's over, they're done.
Just pull the bandaid off and make Kelly the interim.
based on what? He's got a bunch of bad bullpen pitchers he got stuck with, since portal was over. And he's got the batters he inherited too. You can't tell me he's a bad hitting coach after we were elite hitters for the last 3 years with him.SA-AG72 said:dabo man said:
Wouldn't it do wonders for the status of our program to fire a first year coach?!? We would be reaping the benefits of that for years to come.
Keeping him would tank the program for years.
other Head Coaches wouldn't think you're reliable partners, probably.Killzone3abc said:dabo man said:
Wouldn't it do wonders for the status of our program to fire a first year coach?!? We would be reaping the benefits of that for years to come.
Give me an example of a real consequence of firing Earley aside from money for the buyout?
As if he didn't just reject us 8 months ago along with all the other half-dozen proven coaches who aren't old or not at their alma mater…John E said:Dad played here right?Your Mom And Them said:sharpdressedman said:Aggie Dad 26 said:The Marksman said:Vaughn, Heefner, O'Connervwbug said:
Top three realistic picks to replace him?
While he's probably my #1. I've been told here that there's zero chance
Yep. Zero chance.
Correct…I have some fairly deep connections to the DBU program and to a person have been told that Heefner will never leave DBU. His faith is the #1 thing in his life and he can live it out on a daily basis at DBU without worrying about university or athletic department administrators meddling.
Rob Vaughn, on the other hand….
If it is true that he coached hitting for 3 years (and it wasn't some other assistant that knew the right things to say) and hitters were good - then the team has entirely quit on him and he needs to be fired today.Ag1188 said:based on what? He's got a bunch of bad bullpen pitchers he got stuck with, since portal was over. And he's got the batters he inherited too. You can't tell me he's a bad hitting coach after we were elite hitters for the last 3 years with him.SA-AG72 said:dabo man said:
Wouldn't it do wonders for the status of our program to fire a first year coach?!? We would be reaping the benefits of that for years to come.
Keeping him would tank the program for years.
Iraq2xVeteran said:
We are in danger of missing the tournament since a 29-27 (9-21 SEC) finish in 2021, when we also missed the SEC tournament. We already lost 6 nonconference games to Cal Poly, Texas State, Arizona, Oklahoma State, UTSA, and New Mexico State before conference play started 8 days ago. We have dropped to 0-6 in SEC play and been outscored 30-15 in those 6 SEC games.
5 of our 8 remaining SEC series will be against top 10 opponents, and 4 of them will be away: No. 1 Tennessee (away), No. 3 Arkansas (away), No. 8 Texas (away), No. 2 LSU (Home), and No. 4 Georgia (away). I think the only winnable SEC series are against Kentucky, South Carolina, and Missouri, and we draw all 3 opponents at home. With a very brutal road schedule, I don't see us finishing better than 26-28 (8-22 SEC), even if we win all 7 of our remaining Tuesday games against HBU, UIW, Sam Houston (twice), Tarleton, Lamar, and Houston.
If Michael Earley can't even make the regional with this roster, then Trev Alberts needs to fire him by the end of the season. Keeping him for another year or two will keep us in the SEC basement or close to it.
I agree. What are we doing?
Agree! When have we ever cared about money anyway? But you have to stop the bleeding as soon as this mess is over in 2 months. He's terrible...there were/are so many better options available. This hole will only get deeper if you keep him around for another season.
Fairview20 said:
We are paying him almost the bare minimum for a big time SEC job. If his guaranteed money is any less than you have rival programs hammering that to recruits saying we aren't actually committed to him.
Not like it will matter anyway but getting mad over a $3M buy out (as opposed to a $2M buyout?) is the silliest thing I've seen on this board lately.
I realize it (hopefully) won't matter, but the optics of it do on the recruiting trail.
That extra $750k-$1M won't make a difference.
This is not accurate. At $900,000 this year Earley is making more than UK's, Oregon's Okie State's, and Oregon State's head coaches. It's only $100,000 less than Schloss at Texas. It's the same as Rob Vaughn and Wes Johnson at Georgia got bumped from $700k to over $1M after last season.
Earley's contract is mind blowing in its amount and the guaranteed money.
You're either being disingenuous or just don't understand Schloss' contract. He's making $1M this year and next to offset the money they are paying for his buyout. After that he will be making almost 3x at $2.7M making him one of the highest paid coaches in the country.
Oregon, OSU, etc are irrelevant as I referenced salaries for a top SEC job. Vaughn is severely underpaid because Bama is not serious about baseball (until this year, we'll see how big of a raise he gets).
Wes Johnson is in his 2nd year as a HC, prior to that he was a career assistant. Did you think he was overpaid last year?
Oregon, OSU, etc are irrelevant as I referenced salaries for a top SEC job. Vaughn is severely underpaid because Bama is not serious about baseball (until this year, we'll see how big of a raise he gets).
Wes Johnson is in his 2nd year as a HC, prior to that he was a career assistant. Did you think he was overpaid last year?
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