LB12Diamond said:coupland boy said:
As i said. Maybe keeping good coaches is too difficult for us. Whatever the reason.
It's your fault. Why did you not improve the swinger atmosphere in CS!
You think we lose Royo and Bear in the draft? I'll fully admit I know next to nothing about MLB prospects, but Id imagine they would both benefit staying another year. But in general I agree with what you're saying. We're going to lose a lot of production this year, one way or another.Capstone said:
For those worried about losing a roster full of players if we change coaches, that pretty much takes care of itself. After this year, we lose our starting Friday/Saturday/Sunday pitchers, second base, shortstop, catcher and center fielder to the draft... at minimum.
Contributors that have to be held onto at all costs - Sorrell, Kiel, Moss, a few arms from the pen
Players lost to injury for the year that must be held - Grahovac, Sdao
With what we are losing, we are pretty much starting over next year regardless if it is with Earley or a new coach.
If I'm reading daddy Grahovac's tweet correctly, it sounds like it another hostage situation - but with less to lose this time around.
Aston 91 said:
To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.
A&M Athletics and ridiculous guaranteed coaching contracts, one of our greatest traditions.Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:Aston 91 said:
To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.
this is the real travesty.
giving early a chance to coach was not a terrible move based on all the factors at play last year. what is a horrendous move is guaranteeing all four years as you said. what was he going to say if we guaranteed just the first two years which we should have done? would he have said no? doubtful. the real issue is we are handcuffed by people who i wouldn't trust to negotiate for a used pickup truck. until we value what we bring to the table we will never get over this hump.
It wasn't about how good or bad he was, it was that we have a guy that has head coaching experience to finish the season.Aggiegal3230 said:
Kelly as pitching coach has been awful!!!!
Does anyone know if we still have a sip heading up contracts for the AD, like we used to?Artorias said:A&M Athletics and ridiculous guaranteed coaching contracts, one of our greatest traditions.Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:Aston 91 said:
To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.
this is the real travesty.
giving early a chance to coach was not a terrible move based on all the factors at play last year. what is a horrendous move is guaranteeing all four years as you said. what was he going to say if we guaranteed just the first two years which we should have done? would he have said no? doubtful. the real issue is we are handcuffed by people who i wouldn't trust to negotiate for a used pickup truck. until we value what we bring to the table we will never get over this hump.
Not 100% sure on these numbers, but it looks accurate to me. Taken from a post on another forum discussing the whorn's extension for Sark last year. Usually it's not the original contract that handcuffs us, but a stupid extension. In this case, we decided to f-up the contract right from the start.Artorias said:A&M Athletics and ridiculous guaranteed coaching contracts, one of our greatest traditions.Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:Aston 91 said:
To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.
this is the real travesty.
giving early a chance to coach was not a terrible move based on all the factors at play last year. what is a horrendous move is guaranteeing all four years as you said. what was he going to say if we guaranteed just the first two years which we should have done? would he have said no? doubtful. the real issue is we are handcuffed by people who i wouldn't trust to negotiate for a used pickup truck. until we value what we bring to the table we will never get over this hump.
Killzone3abc said:
Absolutely worth it. Schloss buyout covers most of it. 1 mil + is the actual cost to fire him and his staff. They will tank the baseball program for several years otherwise. Need to get a serious coach in the dugout as soon as possible.
The big donors that care about baseball donate a lot of money for football. Flush baseball down the drain, and football would suffer. It's not a zero sum game.MagnumLoad said:
I posted this elsewhere.
I love baseball, especially A&M baseball at Olsen. However, the reality is that college baseball is not critical to our athletic department. Football is because it pays the bill for the entire department. Earley was not ready to be a head coach. That should really not be surprising given how he was suddenly given the job and his relative inexperience. After considering it all, I think we should keep Earley, save the money, and get him some better assistants while he grows in the job.
twk said:The big donors that care about baseball donate a lot of money for football. Flush baseball down the drain, and football would suffer. It's not a zero sum game.MagnumLoad said:
I posted this elsewhere.
I love baseball, especially A&M baseball at Olsen. However, the reality is that college baseball is not critical to our athletic department. Football is because it pays the bill for the entire department. Earley was not ready to be a head coach. That should really not be surprising given how he was suddenly given the job and his relative inexperience. After considering it all, I think we should keep Earley, save the money, and get him some better assistants while he grows in the job.
MagnumLoad said:
I agree, but spending more $ on coaching doesn't always result in more wins. Stability is worth something in my view
ag0207 said:
Can we retain him as hitting coach and hire a head coach?
Moss and Wilson are draft eligible so they may be tough to keep.Fairview20 said:
It could be different now, but Moss and Sdao both committed to returning last year before hiring Earley was even a possibility. They were just that locked in with A&M. Would be huge to have both of them back next season regardless of who the coach is.
woodiewood1 said:
Firing Early will cost A&M $300,000. We got 2.7 Mil from the sips to release our coach and Early will cost us 3 Mill. $300,000 is 0.12% of our AD budget.
woodiewood1 said:
Firing Early will cost A&M $300,000. We got 2.7 Mil from the sips to release our coach and Early will cost us 3 Mill. $300,000 is 0.12% of our AD budget.
MagnumLoad said:
I agree, but spending more $ on coaching doesn't always result in more wins. Stability is worth something in my view
OrangeAlert said:
As much as it pains many on here to hear this, it would be shocking if Earley wasn't back for a second year. Forget having to pay his contract, as well as his assistants, can you imagine how much Alberts would have to offer to get a legitimate coach to leave a good situation? Would it take 5 million get Vitello? 6? 7? Would Bama lay down and allow Vaughn to just leave or like Tennessee would they open up the bank and match anything A&M offered.
There absolutely exists a price the coach's current team would not match, but the question is would Alberts be willing to put that much money into baseball while the Jimbo situation is still fresh on his and the boosters' minds.
I am in the camp that Earley is probably not the one for the A&M job. Unfortunately, at this point in time, I do not see anyway it can be resolved without committing 14-16 million dollars to do so. Alberts is a football guy as are most of the boosters. Putting that much into baseball will be a tough sell for any fanbase.
