Schloss screwed us, but

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he is the most successful coach (closest to a Natty in big 3 sports) we've had in 85 years. What can we learn from that?
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Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…
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LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…


This!!
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sixfoot said:

he is the most successful coach (closest to a Natty in big 3 sports) we've had in 85 years. What can we learn from that?


Maybe the problem is us
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LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…

Who also left us for tu til we begged for him back with a promotion
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sixfoot said:

LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…

Who also left us for tu til we begged for him back with a promotion
High profile SEC assistant coaching gigs are few in number and often pay better than HC jobs elsewhere, hence do not fault any of the coaches following POS to Austin. What were the suppose to do? Wait to see whoever we hired and hoped they would keep them on staff?
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jkag89 said:

sixfoot said:

LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…

Who also left us for tu til we begged for him back with a promotion
High profile SEC assistant coaching gigs are few in number and often pay better than HC jobs elsewhere, hence do not fault any of the coaches following POS to Austin. What were the suppose to do? Wait to see whoever we hired and hoped they would keep them on staff?

If Earley was as good as 99% of the Alumni thought and good enough to be promoted to the (at least) 2nd best program in the country, then surely he was good enough to get a job somewhere else.
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You don't hire the assistant that players like when you lose the ahole dbag really good coach
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I'm certain he would have been hired somewhere. An SEC job, paying what sippie was offering? Not likely.

I love how Aggies expect players and coaches be loyal but are ready to jettison them the second things go south. We had folks calling for Earley to be fired less than 10 games into the season.
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I guess I do not see the coach as the big problem. Being ranked #1 wasn't realistic with the changes in the lineup, plus injuries. Baseball is such a streaky sport. Can't stand the doomsday talk. Support the team, support the coach. Or don't. All hate is not helping.
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TAMUallen said:

You don't hire the assistant that players like when you lose the ahole dbag really good coach


While I agree, you know who it's worked out for? TCU
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It still pisses me off that that rat face was talking to sip in Omaha. He's a complete scumbag.
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Timberwolf said:

TAMUallen said:

You don't hire the assistant that players like when you lose the ahole dbag really good coach


While I agree, you know who it's worked out for? TCU
Well sorta. Saarloos first year was solid but was eliminated by POS in the regional round. A disappointing conference run his seconded season gets forgotten due to a fantastic postseason run that lead all the way to Omaha. Last year TCU was highly ranked to start the season, may have even reached #1 a couple of weeks in before going down in flames, finishing 9th in the B12 and missing the NCAAs all together. So far this season they have gotten off to a solid but not particularly strong start. The Frogs have been on the receiving end of some very lopsided loses..
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Recruiting is most important. He wasn't great at choosing which pitchers. He wasn't a hitting coach. He was elite at getting hitters in the portal or out of HS. I'm not sure what else he's good at; maybe choosing which batters stay & go into the lineup to hit.
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Plenty of great coaches out there that aren't interested in playing rub a dub w cdc


We **** the bed on the earley hire... He's awful & clueless & we gave him idiotic money



Only thing to do now is to own it & fix it. Fire earley immediately & begin the search for a real coach


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Agree, but Schloss didn't like A&M in general (personally he never fit the moral code). It was literally months into HC gig he was "commenting" all things A&M and was suggesting changes at both football and baseball games (several articles and interviews early on had red flags and no one was awake).

It was same type of opinion of those outside of A&M have commentary on and never bought in. It was obvious he wasn't going to be here for long haul and tu just expedited due to bottom buddy ties w CDC from tcu days (under guise of facilities and Trev dislike which were part of the equation).
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sixfoot said:

he is the most successful coach (closest to a Natty in big 3 sports) we've had in 85 years. What can we learn from that?


Get an AD that could have better dealt with this situation. Two big egos and both got in the way IMO. All this happened under Trev's watch so that should be a big stain for him.

Pipe dream but maybe they can retain Earley as Asst Coach and back to hitting guru. Somehow rework his contract under a different HC that sees his value.

Either way, Schloss and CDC got the best of A&M and are continuing to laugh about it as they go into their best season in 20+ years. Only way A&M can claim victory is to win a Natty before Schloss at Texas. That's it....sorry folks.
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Pepesilvia said:

sixfoot said:

he is the most successful coach (closest to a Natty in big 3 sports) we've had in 85 years. What can we learn from that?


Maybe the problem is us
This is so stupid. There is a reason why Schloss left TCU to come to A&M, and it wasn't simply to run away from his personal issues. Don't be a self loathing defeatist.
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jkag89 said:

I'm certain he would have been hired somewhere. An SEC job, paying what sippie was offering? Not likely.

I love how Aggies expect players and coaches be loyal but are ready to jettison them the second things go south. We had folks calling for Earley to be fired less than 10 games into the season.
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Great2BeAnAGGIE said:

LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…


This!!
Earley obviously hasn't done well but at some point a finger has to start getting pointed at these highly touted highly NIL paid players that are striking out looking like theyve never swung a bat before. It's not like he was given little leaguers and trying to teach them how to hit.
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sixfoot said:

he is the most successful coach (closest to a Natty in big 3 sports) we've had in 85 years. What can we learn from that?
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TAMUallen said:

You don't hire the assistant that players like when you lose the ahole dbag really good coach
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure we did and that we virtue signaled about really showing Texas…Take THAT Schloss!!!
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A head coach will always get the most blame for W's and L's but a head coach in baseball maybe more than any other sport beside hockey possibly does by far the least that has an effect on on the game. Outside of a bonehead pitching change or some sort of called braindead offensive call when at the plate they do very very little. More is done in practice, and to give you some ground breaking insight, these guys aren't being coached to go up there and watch pecker high fastballs then swing at sliders 3 feet out of the zone. If Schloss was still here we'd all including him be pissed at the players for lack of performance but because we are in a situation with a new coach, it's his fault. At some point the paid men with the metal sticks in their hands have to perform instead of dodging the criticism.
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Gyles Marrett said:

A head coach will always get the most blame for W's and L's but a head coach in baseball maybe more than any other sport beside hockey possibly does by far the least that has an effect on on the game. Outside of a bonehead pitching change or some sort of called braindead offensive call when at the plate they do very very little. More is done in practice, and to give you some ground breaking insight, these guys aren't being coached to go up there and watch pecker high fastballs then swing at sliders 3 feet out of the zone. If Schloss was still here we'd all including him be pissed at the players for lack of performance but because we are in a situation with a new coach, it's his fault. At some point the paid men with the metal sticks in their hands have to perform instead of dodging the criticism.


Some of us believe that if Schloss were here this team would not be struggling the way they are. Teams take on the personality of their head coach. Schloss is a proven elite level head coach and turns teams around immediately everywhere he goes.
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HoustonAg2106 said:

Gyles Marrett said:

A head coach will always get the most blame for W's and L's but a head coach in baseball maybe more than any other sport beside hockey possibly does by far the least that has an effect on on the game. Outside of a bonehead pitching change or some sort of called braindead offensive call when at the plate they do very very little. More is done in practice, and to give you some ground breaking insight, these guys aren't being coached to go up there and watch pecker high fastballs then swing at sliders 3 feet out of the zone. If Schloss was still here we'd all including him be pissed at the players for lack of performance but because we are in a situation with a new coach, it's his fault. At some point the paid men with the metal sticks in their hands have to perform instead of dodging the criticism.


Some of us believe that if Schloss were here this team would not be struggling the way they are. Teams take on the personality of their head coach. Schloss is a proven elite level head coach and turns teams around immediately everywhere he goes.
and I can tell you as someone who played you all are putting WAY too much into that reasoning. Doesn't work quite that way with baseball. Hitters hit, they don't stop hitting because of "personality of their head coach".

The bigger issue with our offense is 2 of 3 stars are out hurt and multiple of these big name highly touted transfers haven't lived up to some of the hype. Hennsler being the closest but I'd argue I expected even better.
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He was talking to them months prior....By Omaha, it was a done deal.
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dcg4403 said:

sixfoot said:

he is the most successful coach (closest to a Natty in big 3 sports) we've had in 85 years. What can we learn from that?


Get an AD that could have better dealt with this situation. Two big egos and both got in the way IMO. All this happened under Trev's watch so that should be a big stain for him.

Pipe dream but maybe they can retain Earley as Asst Coach and back to hitting guru. Somehow rework his contract under a different HC that sees his value.

Either way, Schloss and CDC got the best of A&M and are continuing to laugh about it as they go into their best season in 20+ years. Only way A&M can claim victory is to win a Natty before Schloss at Texas. That's it....sorry folks.
I hope he could be retained as the Asst. - especially if Vaughn is hired.
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I hope he could be retained as the Asst. - especially if Vaughn is hired.
Never say never, but I can't imagine a scenario where a fired head coach would swallow his pride and accept a demotion. Maybe it's happened before, but I can't think of one. They may be friends, but if we fire Earley, I would expect him to take his buyout and regroup in some other setting.
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LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…
I have the olds and don't remember things very well, but I don't recall much pissing and moaning when the hire went down. We all knew this was the path to keep the guys out of the portal. It was a gamble, and so far, has been a terrible decision. But if a proven guy was hired, it would have mostly likely been a rebuild due to portal. I'm guessing here, because who knows who would have stayed/left.

So what do you choose?

A) Take the risk with an unproven coach, but keep all/most of your guys
B) Get a proven coach, but risk losing most/some of your guys.

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MSFC Aggie said:

LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…
I have the olds and don't remember things very well, but I don't recall much pissing and moaning when the hire went down. We all knew this was the path to keep the guys out of the portal. It was a gamble, and so far, has been a terrible decision. But if a proven guy was hired, it would have mostly likely been a rebuild due to portal. I'm guessing here, because who knows who would have stayed/left.

So what do you choose?

A) Take the risk with an unproven coach, but keep all/most of your guys
B) Get a proven coach, but risk losing most/some of your guys.




A - because the portal was picked over and if we were willing to cut bait immediately if the season doesn't turn around. The timing of the hiring was the worst possible. I think it would have been difficult to pull a top coach w/o a ton of money. We would have to overpay because the new guy would be behind as well - unless if it was Vitello. Nothing about this was normal. It was all orchestrated to cause maximum damage.
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TAMU1990 said:

MSFC Aggie said:

LRB38 said:

Not to hire an unproven HC with zero experience chosen by 18-22 year old kids? For starters that is…
I have the olds and don't remember things very well, but I don't recall much pissing and moaning when the hire went down. We all knew this was the path to keep the guys out of the portal. It was a gamble, and so far, has been a terrible decision. But if a proven guy was hired, it would have mostly likely been a rebuild due to portal. I'm guessing here, because who knows who would have stayed/left.

So what do you choose?

A) Take the risk with an unproven coach, but keep all/most of your guys
B) Get a proven coach, but risk losing most/some of your guys.




A - because the portal was picked over and if we were willing to cut bait immediately if the season doesn't turn around. The timing of the hiring was the worst possible. I think it would have been difficult to pull a top coach w/o a ton of money. We would have to overpay because the new guy would be behind as well - unless if it was Vitello. Nothing about this was normal. It was all orchestrated to cause maximum damage.
This right here. Drunk CDC and Coach Mother ****er knew this would totally **** over A&M. Can't wait until karma smacks them in their little smug ass faces.
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let's go back to a situation vs. Alabama...

Kiel is on 3rd and Farr on 1st with 2 away

struggling hitter at the plate

back in the day...MJ or Childress/Deggs would have had Farr on the move to force some action / pressure the defense

Earley did nothing...and the batter made the 3rd out

it was just a small thing, but noticeable as compared to previous coaches -- who would have attempted to impact the game in that spot
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W said:

let's go back to a situation vs. Alabama...

Kiel is on 3rd and Farr on 1st with 2 away

struggling hitter at the plate

back in the day...MJ or Childress/Deggs would have had Farr on the move to force some action / pressure the defense

Earley did nothing...and the batter made the 3rd out

it was just a small thing, but noticeable as compared to previous coaches -- who would have attempted to impact the game in that spot
There have been several situations where we could have done something to put pressure on the defense. Something to generate something, anything. But runners stay in place and we swing for the fences resulting in nothing. We make it WAY too easy on opposing pitchers and defenses. No creativity whatsoever. Take Kiel, he has a .430 OBP after around 90 PAs, and he has a total of 6 steals.
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Agree, but Schloss didn't like A&M in general (personally he never fit the moral code). It was literally months into HC gig he was "commenting" all things A&M and was suggesting changes at both football and baseball games (several articles and interviews early on had red flags and no one was awake).
Moral code.... We hired Jimbo Fisher and Jackie Sherril.

As far as suggested changes, maybe we should have listened to him. Everyone talks about the "culture" holding the teams back. Part of that is resistance to change. If the AD hadn't fired his people and taken care of some of his asks, I don't think he would have left. Now, the way he went, sure, he's a dick, but everyone here would rather him still be our dick.
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This…couldn't agree more
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