Earley should be fired the day after we lose our SEC tournament game
If you look at the facts objectively, keeping Early is a tough sell
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Last: 7 mo ago by Maroon Flash
Well this is what happens when a few BMAs run the Athletic Department, they are all smart business people. If the goal of spending all the money we've burned in the last decade is to equate to winning programs, then rationally A&M is a terrible investment. No sports team, professional or college is worse in fact for wins versus money spent pursuing those wins.Too Chains said:
Real question is when is Trev getting fired? 2/3 major revenue generating sports are going in the crapper. Football is TBD but I'm not optimistic there either. In the day and age where it finally makes sense we rise, we're falling back to middle of pack or less Big 12 selves.
Trev has shown to be a penny pincher, unless if a booster steps up for the next coach I doubt Trev will lift a finger for the baseball skipper.
Jdb101808 said:
I posted this in another thread…. And I want to add.. I just looked up Vitellos first year record at Tennessee…12-18 in conference ….
Vitello even mentioned in his interview before we played them i believe that he himself was not a good coach the first year or two... I get that the season hasnt been what we all "wanted' or expected, but for some reason i still feel Earley is the right guy.... if anything he gets another season...
I know we will have some talent that is up and coming, and hopefully the guys will stay that we already have and the kids that have already committed because of Earley and the staff are pretty dang good... get rid of Earley and you may very well not have any of the commits, or current players stay and then player wise it would be a year or two at best to get back to a decent team..
What has changed from when Vitello began coaching to now is that tu is now in the conference. tu Is taking advantage of our slide. They will continue to draw talent towards Austin, while our program continues to be mediocre. A one and done with Earley allows us to rebuild quickly. I don't see Earley being able to put together a competitive team due to our biggest rival and neighbor looking far better than A&M.
"You can't grade the success of a CEO by how likeable he is."
You're clearly privy to more insider information than me if you know this to be true. They let Childress coach until his contract completely expired, so there was no buyout. I'm not sure about Johnson, but that was 20 years and five athletic directors ago. I realize NIL has completely changed the game, but I'm just preparing myself for the very real possibility that Earley is retained for another year.LB12Diamond said:
There are two sports at A&M where they will not waste time bc of a buyout if it's clear the coach needs replaced. Baseball happens to be one of those sports.
Pichael Thompson said:
If earley is kept on you can't post in the baseball forum next season
If he gets canned I stay away from the baseball forum next season
Deal?
Deal. If Earley is kept I won't be watching anyway.
Was there NIL at that time. Nope. Were they raising $$$$$$ for a blue bell renovation. Nope
And there's one gigantic difference now and when we fired RC.
Do you know it?
Texas is now in our conference. Think about that one.
There's nooooooo way Earley will be here next year.
And there's one gigantic difference now and when we fired RC.
Do you know it?
Texas is now in our conference. Think about that one.
There's nooooooo way Earley will be here next year.
Women's sports is where it's beneficial to our programs apparently
baffling… is early running a dang nightclub?
If Earley was a normal hire, then I think you could use normal rules for determining whether to keep him. Its his first year and he needs time, blah, blah, blah.
But he wasn't a normal hire, he was a hostage situation hire and is a disaster. It is perfectly okay to pull the plug on him. He is not going to improve quickly enough here to avoid getting fired in the next couple of years anyway.
He was a stop gap measure. I think there is going to be real pressure to can him because keeping him, means schloss and tu get eff us again, and I don't think the donors are going to be okay with that.
And if we hired a guy like Vaughn, he would be our best baseball hire ever on paper after schloss. We have typically hired assistants for the baseball job (which imo is why we have never gone as far as we should). The job has enough built in advantages that even a middling coach can do well enough here (which should tell you how overmatched Earley is with this job). Earley is a long ways from even being at the level of Childress.
I think the fact that Kendall Rogers has gone on record that he thinks a change could be made, as well as staff letting these threads exist, are a big sign that a change is much more likely than anyone realizes.
But he wasn't a normal hire, he was a hostage situation hire and is a disaster. It is perfectly okay to pull the plug on him. He is not going to improve quickly enough here to avoid getting fired in the next couple of years anyway.
He was a stop gap measure. I think there is going to be real pressure to can him because keeping him, means schloss and tu get eff us again, and I don't think the donors are going to be okay with that.
And if we hired a guy like Vaughn, he would be our best baseball hire ever on paper after schloss. We have typically hired assistants for the baseball job (which imo is why we have never gone as far as we should). The job has enough built in advantages that even a middling coach can do well enough here (which should tell you how overmatched Earley is with this job). Earley is a long ways from even being at the level of Childress.
I think the fact that Kendall Rogers has gone on record that he thinks a change could be made, as well as staff letting these threads exist, are a big sign that a change is much more likely than anyone realizes.
There is absolutely zero chance Earley comes back. We are going to get a very big name. Book it
Jason Stegent said:
There is absolutely zero chance Earley comes back. We are going to get a very big name. Book it
Shhhhhh
I want my $100 from that guy.
Just kidding, he of course would not pay up.
Those 3 guys ending up at Texas would be the best thing for us long-term. That would be rock bottom and force real change.AgDad121619 said:tjack16 said:houstonaggie76 said:
1. This roster is loaded with experienced MLB prospects
2. He didn't struggle, he's 10-18
3. The team had high-quality SEC road series wins against Arky, Tennessee, etc
4. The struggles against bad teams like Mizzou point to a lack of focus
5. We struggled with poor mid-week opponents
6. This is my opinion, but I hated many of the lineups, and hated the pinch hitters even more
7. The sips won the SEC, swept us, and are recruiting at an elite level according to rankings
8. We are missing the post-season
How do you overcome this?
I would also add that we are 51 games into the season and do not have defined roles for bullpen guys in any capacity. It's literally just drawing names out of a hat during the final few innings.
I think the entire team lacks a defined role. The active NCAA HR leader hits leadoff. Royo and Kiel at times have seemed like more likely candidates to leadoff and they're end of the lineup guys. They randomly decide to bunt in early innings when they haven't attempted one in weeks. They will steal 10 bases in a weekend then zero for a month. They don't work counts. They swing through every off speed pitch away that they see.
We aren't good offensively, defensively or on the mound. We probably have a top 5 most talented roster in CBB (#1 if Grahovac, Sdao, Kash, and Sorrell stayed healthy) and we are not good at anything except for striking out.
If and when we move on from Earley, I wont be disappointed if we don't get the big name because literally anything is better than this.
All I care about is paying whatever NIL it takes to not see Sorrell, Grahovac, Kiel, etc in burnt orange next year
The reality is I doubt anyone posting on this board truly knows if Earley is getting canned after 1 year. But I will say that these numbers were surprising to me for 2024, the most successful in the history of Aggie baseball by a large margin. Keeping Earley will surely reduce the revenue, but by how much? Firing him will add $3MM to the expenses, plus whatever it takes to lure another coach here. As others have pointed out, it will likely come down to how much BMAs wants to see him gone, and what size check they're willing to write.
https://www.kbtx.com/2025/02/01/texas-am-athletics-made-227-million-net-revenue-during-fiscal-year-2024/
Texas A&M revenues and expenses by sport (FY2024)
Sport Revenue Expenses Total
Baseball $5,611,446 $9,164,213 -$3,552,767
https://www.kbtx.com/2025/02/01/texas-am-athletics-made-227-million-net-revenue-during-fiscal-year-2024/
Texas A&M revenues and expenses by sport (FY2024)
Sport Revenue Expenses Total
Baseball $5,611,446 $9,164,213 -$3,552,767
Pichael Thompson said:
Our AD is a bargain bin shopper...
Our expensive coach left & he found a bargain bin replacement
He locked in the bargain bin replacement for 4 years
We are stuck w earley for a while
Our bargain bin AD needs to go as well.
$3.5 MM in the red for baseball
are travel costs the biggest reason?
are travel costs the biggest reason?
Would Earley be receptive to returning to the Hitting Coach position and getting a new Head Coach?
We had a very good head coach and staff. We fixed that!!!W said:
$3.5 MM in the red for baseball
are travel costs the biggest reason?
We don't have the talent in the bullpen. There are only a couple of players that perform well.tjack16 said:houstonaggie76 said:
1. This roster is loaded with experienced MLB prospects
2. He didn't struggle, he's 10-18
3. The team had high-quality SEC road series wins against Arky, Tennessee, etc
4. The struggles against bad teams like Mizzou point to a lack of focus
5. We struggled with poor mid-week opponents
6. This is my opinion, but I hated many of the lineups, and hated the pinch hitters even more
7. The sips won the SEC, swept us, and are recruiting at an elite level according to rankings
8. We are missing the post-season
How do you overcome this?
I would also add that we are 51 games into the season and do not have defined roles for bullpen guys in any capacity. It's literally just drawing names out of a hat during the final few innings.
Hate to break this to you, but...SA-AG72 said:
Our bargain bin AD needs to go as well.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/12/texas-am-ad-alberts-contract-worth-11-million-total/
Texas A&M AD Alberts contract worth $11 million total
It outlines that A&M will pay $4.12 million to Nebraska as a buyout of Alberts' contract with his alma mater while serving in the same position.
On a personal level I do feel bad for him. But this ain't intramurals. His hand-selected group of all stars failed him miserably.
You clearly have not been an Aggie very long. Unfortunately, I think you will learn like the rest of us have. Painfully!!!!Jason Stegent said:
There is absolutely zero chance Earley comes back. We are going to get a very big name. Book it
Not saying I don't disagree with you.
Aston 91 said:Hate to break this to you, but...SA-AG72 said:
Our bargain bin AD needs to go as well.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/12/texas-am-ad-alberts-contract-worth-11-million-total/
Texas A&M AD Alberts contract worth $11 million total
It outlines that A&M will pay $4.12 million to Nebraska as a buyout of Alberts' contract with his alma mater while serving in the same position.
The amount of money we spent on Alberts is mind-boggingly stupid. It was also pathetic seeing everyone associated with A&M grovel to him given his comments in the past. We better be the best managed AD financially and professionally once the court decision actually goes down that sets forth the new era of college athletics because as of now I still don't see it and that's apparently the only reason he was hired and so coveted.
yes, it seems like a situation where he probably knew he wasn't ready
but there's no way he could turn down a $4 MM guaranteed contract
seen this happen in the corporate world a few times -- individual is not ready for management, but can't decline the pay raise
but there's no way he could turn down a $4 MM guaranteed contract
seen this happen in the corporate world a few times -- individual is not ready for management, but can't decline the pay raise
Just answer this specific question for me.
And also remember what transpired last year at the end of the baseball season.
Do you honestly think we will keep a baseball coach that the ones making the decisions and have the money and power think is no where close to beating the sips baseball coach?
And also remember what transpired last year at the end of the baseball season.
Do you honestly think we will keep a baseball coach that the ones making the decisions and have the money and power think is no where close to beating the sips baseball coach?
so if you believe this, what progress can you point to for his learning curve over the season? I saw little to no growth in his in game decision making - I might be more tolerant if there were strong signs of growth but there isn't.Jdb101808 said:
I posted this in another thread…. And I want to add.. I just looked up Vitellos first year record at Tennessee…12-18 in conference ….
Vitello even mentioned in his interview before we played them i believe that he himself was not a good coach the first year or two... I get that the season hasnt been what we all "wanted' or expected, but for some reason i still feel Earley is the right guy.... if anything he gets another season...
I know we will have some talent that is up and coming, and hopefully the guys will stay that we already have and the kids that have already committed because of Earley and the staff are pretty dang good... get rid of Earley and you may very well not have any of the commits, or current players stay and then player wise it would be a year or two at best to get back to a decent team..
You can already see how this is going to go. They are going to blame the injuries and force him to fire the hitting coach, maybe even Kelly as well. None of it matters, his tenure here is over, it's just a matter of how much pain Trev makes the fanbase endure before it happens.
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it will likely come down to how much BMAs wants to see him gone, and what size check they're willing to write.
Honestly, this is why I can see him being gone. If he was a more normal hire, then I think normal logic would apply. He would normally get another year as a HC. But his hire was a gamble. It was a stop gap measure to try to save something of the program in the short term.
But I think the BMAs are going to be pissed, and not let schloss and tu continue to screw the program. They screwed us by putting us into a position to hire a hitting coach who is not close to being ready to be a HC.
Also the situations between Vitello and Earley are completely different other than both being first time HCs. You cannot compare the two on merely that superficial similarity.
Short answer: yes. Do I want him to stay? Absolutely not, and I hope he is fired. Alberts can point to 3 separate 1 run losses to the sips as evidence that we're not that far off (even if it's not true). And as a bean counter, his job isn't just to beat the sips. His job is to lose as little money as possible in a non-revenue sport.LB12Diamond said:
Just answer this specific question for me.
And also remember what transpired last year at the end of the baseball season.
Do you honestly think we will keep a baseball coach that the ones making the decisions and have the money and power think is no where close to beating the sips baseball coach?
Baseball holds more value here than other non-rev sport and even MBB. If big donors want to make it happen, Alberts will make it happen.
I don't think Rogers put out it could happen without some real solid intel that there is movement to fire Earley.
I don't think Rogers put out it could happen without some real solid intel that there is movement to fire Earley.
BBP season tickets will still sell out.LB12Diamond said:
Posts like these are tiring. One 3 mil is nothing like 77 million.
Two, keeping Earley will hurt the budget a lot more than firing him bc money will not come in if he were retained like it will if they show they are trying to fix this mess.
Its not as simple as looking at the P&L for baseball. We have a bunch of big donors who care about the sport, and leaving baseball to whither on the vine is not conducive to getting those folks to spend on the sport that pays the bills.Aston 91 said:Short answer: yes. Do I want him to stay? Absolutely not, and I hope he is fired. Alberts can point to 3 separate 1 run losses to the sips as evidence that we're not that far off (even if it's not true). And as a bean counter, his job isn't just to beat the sips. His job is to lose as little money as possible in a non-revenue sport.LB12Diamond said:
Just answer this specific question for me.
And also remember what transpired last year at the end of the baseball season.
Do you honestly think we will keep a baseball coach that the ones making the decisions and have the money and power think is no where close to beating the sips baseball coach?
Well
Your short answer does not understand how the powers that be think. Or you are just more interested in trying to win a discussion. I will bow out bc this discussion has ran its course.
Your short answer does not understand how the powers that be think. Or you are just more interested in trying to win a discussion. I will bow out bc this discussion has ran its course.
I dont think soPichael Thompson said:
Our AD is a bargain bin shopper...
Our expensive coach left & he found a bargain bin replacement
He locked in the bargain bin replacement for 4 years
We are stuck w earley for a while
LB12Diamond said:
No one wants to keep Earley. Even the ones in the denial phase this past week have finally moved to the acceptance phase.
Nah there's a lot of clingers still out there
But who are we going to get?
The only person that I would want is Vitello, and he's not leaving Tennessee.
The only person that I would want is Vitello, and he's not leaving Tennessee.
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