You don't trust G Martin to help me understand what specific respiratory symptoms people in the general population have had?
My Roommate Told She Has COVID-19
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Last: 6 yr ago by fullback44
Thanks. My previous post was directed at the post before yours. I'm mainly curious what kind of respiratory distress has been reported because I haven't seen specifics,
Kinda everything from shortness of breath, dyspnea to respiratory failure, ARDS. But that's all the extremes including the severe cases which are a small percent. Most people probably just a dry cough.
I really think many people don't want to believe this. You've been quite clear. The testing situation is a travesty and going to cost many people their lives. Thanks for self quarantining. It's appreciated. I hope you stay well.Rossticus said:Chrundle the Great said:
It's flu plus respiratory arrest/symptoms. I'm guessing she is showing the respiratory symptoms and they don't see any other causes.
Correct. She tested negative for everything they could test her for that would result in this set of symptoms and they all came up negative. This is why more widespread distribution of testing kits would be helpful.
US testing reports 2% positive rates of symptomatic people, South Korea has way more confirmed cases and tests positive at a 4% clip for symptomatic patients.hypeiv said:
I can't imagine her doctor really being that confident she has COVID19 without the test. I heard a doctor from Toronto on the radio say only 4% of the patients they test with symptoms of COVID came back positive for it and the rest simply had the flu or a cold.
Your roommate probably doesn't have it and needs to find a different doctor.
Rossticus said:JesusQuintana said:
So there is community spread in Austin it appears yet most of the town is in line at heb and carrying about with normal activity?
Because they won't test anyone unless they're so bad that they have to be hospitalized.
Nor should they.
I would hope so. Telling someone to isolate for the potential of it is reasonable, outright saying they have it is irresponsible.hypeiv said:
I have a feeling what her doctor said and what she txt'ed her roommate might be different
I also don't buy that they won't test people unless they're in need of hospitalization, as most positive cases aren't in the hospital. I think only one of the Dallas area positive cases in the hospital.
ETA: Not hating on your roommate for misinterpreting or being told something they shouldn't have. If you're sick you should stay away from people regardless and I hope they don't have it.
According to Reveille's post and physicians who've treated severe cases, shortness of breath can show up about day 8. Pneumonia and respiratory distress can follow on day 9. Prior to that, symptoms are generally mild. In rare, very severe cases, patients develop respiratory failure and even cardiomyopathy. Emphasis on "rare". That's worst case, but definitely worth being cautious.k2aggie07 said:
Kinda everything from shortness of breath, dyspnea to respiratory failure, ARDS. But that's all the extremes including the severe cases which are a small percent. Most people probably just a dry cough.
hypeiv said:
I have a feeling what her doctor said and what she txt'ed her roommate might be different
Nobody hopes that's the case more than I do. Will find out soon enough one way or another.
Or a pot
hypeiv said:Rossticus said:hypeiv said:
I have a feeling what her doctor said and what she txt'ed her roommate might be different
Nobody hopes that's the case more than I do. Will find out soon enough one way or another.
Regardless of what is going on... Isolate her to a single room and give her a bathroom that only she uses if that is an option.
I did one better. I told her to stay with her boyfriend.
C@LAg said:now you are an accomplice to attempted murderRossticus said:hypeiv said:Rossticus said:hypeiv said:
I have a feeling what her doctor said and what she txt'ed her roommate might be different
Nobody hopes that's the case more than I do. Will find out soon enough one way or another.
Regardless of what is going on... Isolate her to a single room and give her a bathroom that only she uses if that is an option.
I did one better. I told her to stay with her boyfriend.
If she has it then there's no way he doesn't. My conscience is clear. Either way, better him than me.
Rossticus said:Chrundle the Great said:
It's flu plus respiratory arrest/symptoms. I'm guessing she is showing the respiratory symptoms and they don't see any other causes.
Correct. She tested negative for everything they could test her for that would result in this set of symptoms and they all came up negative. This is why more widespread distribution of testing kits would be helpful.
This is the scary part, I usually get sick around this time of the year because the allergies in BCS are horrible, so I my allergies usually kink my ass a round this time if I'm not careful. I looked at the symptoms from the CDC webpage and they are so damn similar to the symptoms that I get due to my allergies. I guess if I get a fever in the next couple of days I may have to quarantine myself since I do have a stupid cough that's been coming and going, I feel a bit tired, and my throat is a little irritated, but I don't have any problems taking a deep breath.....so I'm hopping it's just allergies!
Does the boyfriend also live in New Braunfels? Comal County is still reporting zero cases of COVID-19. Has she alerted anyone?
I am not sure that "community spread appears to be more prevalent than is being acknowledged" is correct. If so, I would expect the ICUs would be getting busier than usual (not so, to my knowledge, in central Texas). If there are a lot of undiagnosed cases already in the community, it would say that this virus is about as serious as the typical ones we encounter. If I am wrong, there will be a sudden blast of serious cases showing up in the next few days.Rossticus said:Thriller said:
This sounds odd - my understanding is that the current tests available can't be confirmed that quickly. Even the "new" test coming out in the next few days is 24-36 hours.
Is your roommate normally rational and stable or is she one to possibly be looking for attention? Sorry - I have no reason to doubt you, but something just doesn't add up here.
If she does in fact have COVID-19, you both have my thoughts and prayers.
No, they're not allowed to administer the test unless you have to be intubated, have lots of fluid in your lungs, etc. She is immunodeficient, which is why the Doc advised her to come in. She's being Dx solely on symptoms, physical exam, and the fact she tested negative for everything else that would cause the symptoms she's exhibiting.
I just found this out within the last hour. Felt I should let folks know, not to cause panic, but to let y'all be prepared and know that community spread appears to be more prevalent than is being acknowledged (due to nobody being tested yet).
CDC was too far behind the curve and now we're boned. I've been in contact with hundreds of people, as has she, since she first began exhibiting symptoms. That's why this thing is going to ramp up in a hurry.
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Rossticus said:AgHawkeye said:
She may or may not have corona but if she just saw the doctor a couple of hours ago she really doesn't know yet.
Until tests are made available for use in less critical cases, that's going to be the case for everyone. The options are to take the physician at their word based on professional expertise and self quarantine to be on the safe side or go on with life as usual, potentially spreading this all over Travis, Hays, Comal, and Bexar counties.
You're right on point. There is absolutely no reason to wait for a test to start self-quarantine.
People put way too much emphasis on tests. Changing our behavior is what's going to keep this thing from overwhelming us, not waiting on widespread proliferation of tests.
Aren't we about ten days behind the Italy time line? May need to give this 2 working weeks?
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Not as a nation, no. Using arbitrary national borders skews things. It makes much more sense to look at this as cases per 1M population.Quote:
Aren't we about ten days behind the Italy time line? May need to give this 2 working weeks?
Italy is at 292 cases / 1M. USA is at 7.1, even though we all know that's under-reported here.
Also have to consider concentration of those cases. Italy has 60M people but most of the cases are concentrated in Lombardy, which has 10M people. So even though Italy on the national level is 292 cases / 1M, Lombardy is at 872.
That's where stuff starts getting real.
nvmRossticus said:
She was having respiratory issues and CV-like symptoms. Went to see the Dr. a couple of hours ago in Austin. Text I just got:
"The doctor says I have Coronavirus. She said they still can't test anyone unless they are intubated and/or have a high fever and lots of stuff in their lungs. She said I don't care what they are saying on the news, this is absolutely community spread in the state and that I basically will have to self isolate."
FML
McInnis 03 said:
Aren't we about ten days behind the Italy time line? May need to give this 2 working weeks?
Italy timeline is irrelevant
The difficult thing about a lot of the symptoms is how common they are to a cold. I mean, I get at least mild shortness of breath every time I have a cold.
Boyfriend lives in Austin. Problem is that it can't be reported or officially documented as Coronavirus without a test. They're only administering tests to individuals with confirmed travel to affected areas outside the US or individuals admitted to the hospital in very serious condition (CDCs definition of high risk).Scud Runner said:
Does the boyfriend also live in New Braunfels? Comal County is still reporting zero cases of COVID-19. Has she alerted anyone?
Even immunosuppressed/immunocompromised individuals who are more susceptible to contracting it (my roommate) cannot be treated as high risk per CDC. The physicians DO report "suspected cases" to the CDC but that means jack squat.
Just crazy that we can't test the general public at will for this ... our CDC should be kicked in the nutts .. I know it's a new virus but we have had the same amount of time as South Korea or anyone else that is testing way way way more people than we are.
Stay safe ... and keep us updated as to what goes on w her and a possible test
Stay safe ... and keep us updated as to what goes on w her and a possible test
I think once the "general public" gets tested, it will a bit chaotic. Can you imagine the drive-thru lines??
Aust Ag said:
I think once the "general public" gets tested, it will a bit chaotic. Can you imagine the drive-thru lines??
It's already chaotic. Looking at HEBs here in New Braunfels you'd think that the zombie apocalypse was upon us. Dairy, canned, frozen, boxed, paper goods, cleaning products aisles all essentially picked clean. Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
HEB here is now restricting their hours from 8am-8pm.
I imagine a strong cold or the flu would cause panic, whose hyperventilating would present as shortness of breath. There are people hyperventilating over TP.
Rossticus said:Thriller said:
This sounds odd - my understanding is that the current tests available can't be confirmed that quickly. Even the "new" test coming out in the next few days is 24-36 hours.
Is your roommate normally rational and stable or is she one to possibly be looking for attention? Sorry - I have no reason to doubt you, but something just doesn't add up here.
If she does in fact have COVID-19, you both have my thoughts and prayers.
No, they're not allowed to administer the test unless you have to be intubated, have lots of fluid in your lungs, etc. She is immunodeficient, which is why the Doc advised her to come in. She's being Dx solely on symptoms, physical exam, and the fact she tested negative for everything else that would cause the symptoms she's exhibiting.
I just found this out within the last hour. Felt I should let folks know, not to cause panic, but to let y'all be prepared and know that community spread appears to be more prevalent than is being acknowledged (due to nobody being tested yet).
CDC was too far behind the curve and now we're boned. I've been in contact with hundreds of people, as has she, since she first began exhibiting symptoms. That's why this thing is going to ramp up in a hurry.
She does NOT have a confirmed case, but needs further testing to make sure it is not the flu or a host of other viruses that can cause similar symptoms. There are private labs that can do the test with the doctor's order. Maybe the doctor doesn't want to do the test, doesn't have a kit, or doesn't know all of the options. I would contact your county health department for further guidance.
Gizzards said:Rossticus said:Thriller said:
This sounds odd - my understanding is that the current tests available can't be confirmed that quickly. Even the "new" test coming out in the next few days is 24-36 hours.
Is your roommate normally rational and stable or is she one to possibly be looking for attention? Sorry - I have no reason to doubt you, but something just doesn't add up here.
If she does in fact have COVID-19, you both have my thoughts and prayers.
No, they're not allowed to administer the test unless you have to be intubated, have lots of fluid in your lungs, etc. She is immunodeficient, which is why the Doc advised her to come in. She's being Dx solely on symptoms, physical exam, and the fact she tested negative for everything else that would cause the symptoms she's exhibiting.
I just found this out within the last hour. Felt I should let folks know, not to cause panic, but to let y'all be prepared and know that community spread appears to be more prevalent than is being acknowledged (due to nobody being tested yet).
CDC was too far behind the curve and now we're boned. I've been in contact with hundreds of people, as has she, since she first began exhibiting symptoms. That's why this thing is going to ramp up in a hurry.
She does NOT have a confirmed case, but needs further testing to make sure it is not the flu or a host of other viruses that can cause similar symptoms. There are private labs that can do the test with the doctor's order. Maybe the doctor doesn't want to do the test, doesn't have a kit, or doesn't know all of the options. I would contact your county health department for further guidance.
Thanks. She just let me know that she was contacted and asked to come back in for additional testing so we'll see what that means. Since the availability of testing is a fluid situation
I wouldn't be surprised if everyone isn't fully aware of all options at their disposal. I'm relaying all of this second hand so I have to depend on the veracity of what I'm told.
Does it feel like a bad cold/flu or does she think she needs to go to the ER because she's going to die and she can't breathe?
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