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jefe95 said:

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Yes. I do think we are overthinking this. At least overreacting.

The American innovation will kick in if that many people get that sick. There are urgent care centers all over the place. I doubt those count as beds. Capitalism will solve this faster than top down mandates will

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This is the problem right now.

This bullet-proof belief that "America" won't have the problem after China, Italy, Spain, France, etc, etc... are all succumbing to it.

It's why people are heading out to bars... Because it's America, nothing bad like this has ever really happened before, so I don't believe it can.

And honestly I wouldn't have knocked people too much for that belief, up until the time the leaders of America started telling people "hey this is a big problem". If you don't believe them, then what good are facts?


Well China is a ****hole.
Well Italy has a lot of elderly smokers and their health care system is *****
Well Spain residents like to kiss and touch each other a lot.

It almost reads like the "First they came for" poem.

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1,441 dead in Italy (and more to come).

However, that is less than 2 days of dead from the US flu season 2 years ago

My parents (82 years old) just returned from a scheduled vacation with national geographic to India (Feb 28-Mar 13). To say I come from a family who under reacts would be an understatement.

I am doing the increased hand washing thing and the cleaning the phone frequently thing. I'm trying not to touch my face. I am aware of these things way more than in the past.

My kids are home for an extra week. My college sophomore has been spending time with his girlfriend, at our house and hers mostly but going out some - eating out occasionally.

My HS kid just helped on an Eagle project for the last 2 days. It was outside with less than 10 people. Tomorrow we are going hiking with a total of 7 people.

We went out for our anniversary on Friday night, but chose a restaurant that is in our small town and had only 2 occupied tables the whole time we were there.

Next week...I have a group of 8 friends who eat lunch together - I'm the youngest at 54 - right now the plan is to still meet.

I planned early for this - bought stuff at the end of January/early Februaray, and have 2 weeks of most everything except perishables, so the grocery store isn't a necessity. I'll probably wait till mid week then try curbside, which I haven't ever used before. So that is a change.

I do believe the closures are necessary, and think this will get worse before it gets better. But we obviously aren't locking ourselves inside yet.

cityagboy said:

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Covid will have no impact on the flu. They are completely separate. You could get the flu and immediately get covid right after. Flu cases at the hospital will not go down because of CoVID.

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Which of course is part of the problem. The health industry expects flu hospitalizations. This is on top of that.

Here are some exercises to do at home:
https://vm.tiktok.com/pPhh4t/

I just got back from driving my stepson back from Michigan State. Have my 75 year old mother-in-law and two teenagers living with me. My wife has has several bouts of pneumonia during the last 20 years so is probably in higher risk. I really want to keep myself and the teenagers separate from the other two but not sure how feasible that is. I'll at least keep my distance from my MIL for a good while after the trip.

I won't have a problem staying in and cooking at home....entertaining myself. My oldest should be fine as well. My biggest hurdle will be convincing the "18 & bulletproof" suddenly home from college kids in my life that a daily darty isn't a good idea.

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We're bunkering down at home. My kids private gymnastics school is going to be open for open gym play for the previously enrolled and they'll reevaluate classes after Spring Break. We'll be there a lot. Most of our close friends are pregnant so play dates are out at their request. We haven't been exposed but I have no desire to rub shoulders with the masses. We have a solid two weeks of groceries, maybe three. Anything past that we'll have to evaluate. Husband is working Monday to shut down the office, but after that home for two weeks.

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Don't think the open gym play is such a great idea if you are trying to limit your exposure.

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It's not open to the masses and it's a very clean facility. They also know who has missed prior classes because of traveling and have told those parents they can't participate without waiting two weeks. I'm more willing to risk it there versus something like a city park.

Phillipines dropped the hammer today on a bunch of their citizens to force more 'social distancing' whether they want it or not - just like what has been going on parts of Europe. I suspect the U.S. will also in near future be doing this to some extent in some cities/areas of the country.

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Starting today, the Metro Manila region of the Philippines is going under partial lockdown to contain the coronavirus outbreak.
Metro Manila, known officially as the National Capital Region, is comprised of 16 cities, home to about 12.8 million people, according to the latest data from the Philippines Statistic Authority.
The entire country has 64 confirmed cases, according to the World Health Organization.
Here's what the lockdown will mean.
Movement restricted: The region has suspended all land, sea, and air transport effective today through April 14.
If the situation worsens in a specific community, all households will be isolated, transportation suspended, and health and food services regulated. And people who want to leave quarantined areas will need to be checked by health authorities for symptoms.
Border points: Tens of thousands of police officers and Armed Force members are stationed at more than 70 checkpoints, conducting checks on people coming in and out of the region.
Workers will need to provide proof of employment or business to cross the border. International travelers entering the region need to show a ticket for a flight scheduled 12 hours from entry into Metro Manila.
A travel ban is still in place for those entering the country from greater China, parts of Korea, while heightened checks are in place for those arriving from Italy and Iran.
Social distancing: The lockdown prohibits movie screenings, concerts, sporting events, and community assemblies. People attending essential work-related gatherings and religious events must keep one meter (about three feet) apart.
All schools are suspended until April 14, and the government is strongly urging companies to allow employees to work from home.

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Hoboken, NJ is instituting a curfew and not allowing restaurants or bars to serve food within the establishment. If a bar doesn't serve any food, they are shut down. Starts Monday.

You might want to check and see what curbside pickup times are available. My wife spoke to a friend yesterday who said that as of Thursday, the earliest pickup for curbside was tomorrow. I don't imagine that's gone down. Talking to the kid at the checkout at Randall's tonight though he said that things have been slowing down during the last half of today so maybe people are figuring out that the stores aren't running out.

PCUSA asked us to update our contingency/evacuation plan in the event the virus comes to Zambia. We didn't have any changes - we can easily shelter in place at our house. It's in a walled enclosure and we have our own borehole and diesel generator. We've stocked up on groceries and filled the freezer. We're in good shape.

If we need to leave here, we'd cross into Malawi and figure out what to do from there. If we needed to fly out, we'd go to Lilongwe.

There are no cases in Zambia or Malawi at the present time and we plan to go to Lake Malawi for the weekend on April 4-5, even though PCUSA has discouraged it. Of course if things change we'll reassess. The last thing we'd want to do is come back and spread it to our friends here. Challenging times.

My wife and I both work in healthcare. Not doctors, but close enough with vulnerable populations to need to be careful. Fortunately, I have been working from home for a few days and will be able to do so until this passes, and my wife may be able to soon. We also get information from our employers and see measures being taken at work that people outside of healthcare probably don't see as much.

My wife, son, and I are isolating, probably more than most people we know. I went to H-E-B yesterday to pick up our usual basics, then to a toy store to pick up an online order for the kiddo. He and I walked to a park yesterday, but I didn't let him play on the playground. That's it.

My parents live close enough to us to walk, and I think we may have offended my mother with our isolation. They are both over 75, though, and don't seem to be isolating too much.

My cousin and her husband live nearby, too. They got back from a trip to Mexico City a few days ago. They have two young kids, one my son's age. Both of their sets of parents are in town visiting, one pair from Ohio and one from Illinois. They've all been visiting with my parents for the past few days. Usually we would all be getting together to visit, but not now. They are, however, all going to my parents' house this evening for dinner. We were invited but politely passed.

Several friends of ours from school and the hood have been talking on Facebook about arranging playdates at each other's houses to give parents a rotating break. We're talking groups of 10 or so. Nope. Other friends have asked us about getting together at different places. Nope. My son's little league season is on hold, of course, and his coach has mentioned getting together at a park to practice for anybody interested. Nope, sorry, will practice in backyard but that's it.

So yeah. We are self-isolating. But from what I see, we may be doing so more than most people we know.

We self isolated at the movie theater last night. Place was a ghost town. Way fewer people than HEB madness or even an classroom. Maybe 10 people in the room with us.

jefe95 said:

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Nope. Not a doctor. That's why it's a message board. I can float my opinion all day long.

I'm not the only one thinking that.

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I assumed your first few of posts in this thread were from a position of complete ignorance.

Thanks for confirming.

I yell at everyone who leaves the house...and yell at'em when they get back.