Are we really keeping kids cooped up another month?

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In reply to grassmastersbcs • 11:06a, 4/5/20
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I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 11:09a, 4/5/20
I think we all agree that if "its something you absolutely have to do" then you need to do it.

Letting your kids go on playdates in your "neighborhood circle" so that they don't have to be entertained in the house isn't that.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 11:16a, 4/5/20
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Proposition Joe said:
You can have a dissenting opinion. That doesn't mean there's any science or smarts behind it.


I think you'll see what I mentioned being practiced in the next 45 days.

Let's consider the science:

1. under 60 have less medical issues

2. The average time to onset / symptoms is 5 days.

Can you please use your science and superior smarts to tear this idea apart?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
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In reply to Premium • 11:28a, 4/5/20
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Premium said:
Proposition Joe said:
You can have a dissenting opinion. That doesn't mean there's any science or smarts behind it.


I think you'll see what I mentioned being practiced in the next 45 days.

Let's consider the science:

1. under 60 have less medical issues

2. The average time to onset / symptoms is 5 days.

Can you please use your science and superior smarts to tear this idea apart?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
I think the objection is that kids only have to stay away from the 60+ year old 5 days.

If the kids are exposed and asymptomatic positive, the 5 days doesn't do squat.

If the kids are exposed and will get mildly ill outside of the average onset, say day 7 or 8 post exposure, then 5 days doesn't do squat.

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In reply to Premium • 11:34a, 4/5/20
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Proposition Joe said:
You can have a dissenting opinion. That doesn't mean there's any science or smarts behind it.


I think you'll see what I mentioned being practiced in the next 45 days.

Ok? So in the next 45 days if the guidelines from the CDC change to that then we can all shift to that.

I'm not sure why that's so hard.

Makes a lot more sense than a bunch of different people saying "well this is what I think, and I think it will eventually get changed to this, so I'm gonna go ahead and say it's OK to do now".

People like to think they are a lot smarter than the people who are at the tops of their profession. Or if not that, they think somehow they need to interpret what those people say in a fashion that is more palatable to their lifestyle.

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11:35a, 4/5/20
A good summation of why "just a playdate" is a bad idea from an epidemiologist:

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Seemingly small social chains get large and complex with alarming speed. If your son visits his girlfriend, and you later sneak over for coffee with a neighbor, your neighbor is now connected to the infected office worker that your son's girlfriend's mother shook hands with. This sounds silly, it's not. This is not a joke or a hypothetical. We as epidemiologists see it borne out in the data time and time again and no one listens. Conversely, any break in that chain breaks disease transmission along that chain.

In contrast to hand-washing and other personal measures, social distancing measures are not about individuals, they are about societies working in unison. These measures also take a long time to see the results. It is hard (even for me) to conceptualize how 'one quick little get together' can undermine the entire framework of a public health intervention, but it does. I promise you it does. I promise. I promise. I promise. You can't cheat it. People are already itching to cheat on the social distancing precautions just a "little"- a playdate, a haircut, or picking up a needless item at the store, etc. From a transmission dynamics standpoint, this very quickly recreates a highly connected social network that undermines all of the work the community has done so far.
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11:39a, 4/5/20
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Based on HEB and Costco shopping alone we should have all gotten the virus by now.
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In reply to ORAggieFan • 11:40a, 4/5/20
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5 and 7 year old. They play by themselves outside but not with friends.

I do think it's a bit crazy - I'd say kids and people under 60 should be able to do what they want as long as they wait at least 5 days before going around elderly people.

This is a prime example of a big problem. Making up your own protocol and ignoring the prevailing recommendations. I hope that is not what you are actually doing.


What protocol am I making up here?

Well, the quote is right there, but I will help you. Waiting 5 days to go around elderly after "doing what they want" has absolutely no science behind it. It is not a part of any guidelines that exist. Most people on these threads need to go back and read staff's GUIDELINES for posting which discussed that this is not the place for simply opinions about how this should be handled. At the beginning of all of this people complained loudly that different agencies or officials weren't doing enough. Now that guidelines and orders exist the criticism is the opposite. As someone who has to potentially put himself in harm's way every single day as a physician, it would be nice if people would listen to the experts. The response has obviously not been ideal and piecemeal at best, but this an evolving and new situation. Policies, treatments, and knowledge regarding this pandemic will continue to change and people should understand and accept that. I am as concerned as anyone about the economic consequences. It's devastating our practice financially. The longer all people don't take this seriously, the longer the problem will last before we can make a recovery.


Oh, I see, you are equating an idea that would help get our economy back to something that resembles normalcy, to a new protocol that I am recommending and practicing.

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We are in the middle of an F'n pandemic. Our economy will not return to normal until it is over. The fastest way we get over this is doing what we are supposed to. The absolute best thing everyone can do for the economy is listen and convince others to do the same. Anything else will extend the problem.


Why are the people stressing "listening to the experts" also suggesting that this pandemic will end sooner by keeping little Timmy from playing with other kids?

From what I have heard the experts have said the pandemic won't end until we have heard immunity or a vaccine. If that's true then widespread non compliance with social distancing would lead to a faster end, but the trade off would be more deaths.

And once again the measures were put in place to slow the spread, not stop it. Even if we had 100% compliance (which is completely unrealistic) there are still millions of essential employees who have to go to work everyday there by providing a vector for the virus to spread.

Also the expert guidelines from the CDC say nothing about shelter in place or closing down parks and non-essential business. Those decisions have been made by local politicians.
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11:42a, 4/5/20
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For everyone complaining and frustrated, I get it. However, here is a friendly perspective reminder as things could be infinitely worse than current conditions.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 11:43a, 4/5/20
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Proposition Joe said:
I think we all agree that if "its something you absolutely have to do" then you need to do it.

Letting your kids go on playdates in your "neighborhood circle" so that they don't have to be entertained in the house isn't that.


I can very much respect that opinion. It's what my wife and I have decided to do from the beginning pretty much and have followed through with it. And it's been a ton of fun. The 8 year old has her set of challenges but is pretty independent overall. The 4 year old in the other hand can be a handful but is also a joy to play with. He's found a very interesting way to make My Little Pony work very well with The Avengers, Godzilla and Jurassic Park. Basically Ponyville gets destroyed a lot. Point is, I'm getting time with these guys I'd never have had otherwise. So there is a silver lining to following protocol.
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11:45a, 4/5/20
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Well if Quito says it's okay to let kids play with their neighbor friends, I guess it's okay. And all this time I've kept my nine-year old at home and away from her friends.
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 11:50a, 4/5/20
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Proposition Joe said:
I think we all agree that if "its something you absolutely have to do" then you need to do it.

Letting your kids go on playdates in your "neighborhood circle" so that they don't have to be entertained in the house isn't that.


I can very much respect that opinion. It's what my wife and I have decided to do from the beginning pretty much and have followed through with it. And it's been a ton of fun. The 8 year old has her set of challenges but is pretty independent overall. The 4 year old in the other hand can be a handful but is also a joy to play with. He's found a very interesting way to make My Little Pony work very well with The Avengers, Godzilla and Jurassic Park. Basically Ponyville gets destroyed a lot. Point is, I'm getting time with these guys I'd never have had otherwise. So there is a silver lining to following protocol.

And I respect the hell out of you for that. My business has been cratered and I've had a slew of other problems, but I give the utmost respect to the challenges those with kids at home are facing.
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In reply to Aust Ag • 11:52a, 4/5/20
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queso1 said:
What do you do for a living that you can survive the status quo for another 2 months? I assure you there are people that without govt assistance whose children will go to sleep hungry tonight because of this. How long until they start to starve? Rigid adherence to bull **** is still bull *****
This is a great point, I doubt there's a lot of people spending time on Texags that are going without a meal tonight. Or next month.
They have one month to get this issue resolved (in terms of how they are going to slowly let people get back to work in different areas of the country). They have one month to ramp up production of the drug cocktails everyone is speaking about, while continuously looking for vaccines and other methods of treatment.

You may be with a meal now, but if we continue with this until summer even those who are on TexAgs will be hurting. Every business is cutting back - the ripple effect will eventually find your employer.
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In reply to [removed post] • 12:08p, 4/5/20
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SoupNazi2001 said:
Some of you can complain about others decisions all you want but you aren't going to change them. Freedom to make decisions is what makes our country the best in the World. If you are that afraid don't let your kids play with anyone else, stay inside and get your groceries delivered. Just know others won't necessarily do the same thing.


Right. And in this great country I have the freedom to voice my differing opinion when someone else is making poor decisions and putting others in danger.
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12:20p, 4/5/20
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I guess my point is, if it's an issue now, just give it another week or two.

Folks are going to start fighting and it won't be pretty.

I love Texags because it's overwhelming similar like minded folks. I've never seen such a split and this thread is evidence of that.

We shelter at home for the most part. I lead an adult Sunday School class on zoom. I manage a sales team for a Major US company supplying Medical Devices to surgeons....doing it remotely. We haven't socialized with friends and family. We have gone to DQ drive through for a Dipped Cone to celebrate report cards. Other than that, our kids have played with neighbor kids in driveway and yard....basketball and wiffle ball mostly.

Just observing, that current behavior will not last much more than a week or so. It's already a point of contention, but will worsen with everyday.

Perhaps I'm wrong as numbers come out. Perhaps the numbers are fuel for those who think either way. Perhaps numbers are sobering.
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12:22p, 4/5/20
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I haven't seen my oldest two boys (16 & 13) in 3 weeks because they live with their mom and step-dad, who both go to work every day and I don't want to take any chances of them coming to my house not knowing who they have been in contact with.

My wife and I have 3 boys as well, 7 and 3 YO twins. Keeping up with work (we're both fully working from home and business has not slowed much) and daycare and homeschool is a challenge. This has been the hardest 3 weeks of our lives, but I know that we'll get through it eventually.
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In reply to Premium • 12:31p, 4/5/20
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Premium said:
74OA said:
If this chart is accurate, the length of time for which infected people are contagious--often without symptoms-- answers the question why extended social distancing and shut-downs are necessary to control the contagion while we steadily build herd immunity.
It shows 5 days as reported earlier in this thread
I deleted it because its reference data is getting old. Sorry.
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In reply to 74OA • 12:31p, 4/5/20
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74OA said:
Premium said:
74OA said:
If this chart is accurate, the length of time for which infected people are contagious--often without symptoms-- answers the question why extended social distancing and shut-downs are necessary to control the contagion while we steadily build herd immunity.
It shows 5 days as reported earlier in this thread
I deleted it because its reference data is old. Sorry.


Lol, and I read it wrong so I deleted mine too...
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SoupNazi2001 said:
Quito said:
I guess my point is, if it's an issue now, just give it another week or two.

Folks are going to start fighting and it won't be pretty.

I love Texags because it's overwhelming similar like minded folks. I've never seen such a split and this thread is evidence of that.

We shelter at home for the most part. I lead an adult Sunday School class on zoom. I manage a sales team for a Major US company supplying Medical Devices to surgeons....doing it remotely. We haven't socialized with friends and family. We have gone to DQ drive through for a Dipped Cone to celebrate report cards. Other than that, our kids have played with neighbor kids in driveway and yard....basketball and wiffle ball mostly.

Just observing, that current behavior will not last much more than a week or so. It's already a point of contention, but will worsen with everyday.

Perhaps I'm wrong as numbers come out. Perhaps the numbers are fuel for those who think either way. Perhaps numbers are sobering.


I don't think you are doing anything wrong or taking substantial risks and we are largely doing the same thing, but as this thread shows a lot of people are anxious and fearful and have extreme opinions right now.

No, just because people are listening to the guidelines doesn't make them anxious and fearful and with extreme opinions.
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In reply to [removed post] • 1:15p, 4/5/20
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It's not about "fearful" and "fearless", it's a balance.

The FACT is, every interaction you have increases the risk of spread. That's a FACT, just like it's a FACT that the more trips you take in a car, the more likely you are to have a wreck.

That said, we can categorically agree that everybody doing "life as usual" is very dangerous for the spread of this virus AND that everybody being 100% locked down with no contacts is very impractical, if not impossible and comes with its own set of very real dangers, financially and mental health wise.

Given that, we agree whole hog either way is a bad move, the balance that comes into play is how much elimination of contacts is worth it for the benefit.

There is no denying the fact that as you move to the "fewer contact points" side of things, you do 2 things -
1. Decrease the chances of spread
2. Decrease quality of life (and this is important cause humans are inherently social - the notion that there is no harm from staying inside all day everyday is incorrect)

It's up to each person to decide where the best "balance" is, but there are a few things to keep in mind:
1. Your personal "balance point" may be outside of the recommendations of the medical community, or these "orders"
2. Others around you will have different "balance points" and probably have their own opinions about who is over/under concerned.

Either way, using terminology like "fearful" in a way that is clearly intended to say they over overstating the legitimacy of things or, perhaps, understating the negative consequences of these measures is a statement that only holds up based on your personal frame of reference, i.e. what you consider the appropriate balance point.

It's no more fair to call people with more of a lean towards limiting contacts "fearful" than it would be for them to call you "reckless" for putting more value on the social/financial well being side of things...
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1:24p, 4/5/20
Stunned how weak people are. Unable to join together in a common goal. People who are following guidelines are not fearful, they are pragmatic, responsible, and voting for their countrymen's lives by their actions.
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SoupNazi2001 said:
JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:
It's not about "fearful" and "fearless", it's a balance.

The FACT is, every interaction you have increases the risk of spread. That's a FACT, just like it's a FACT that the more trips you take in a car, the more likely you are to have a wreck.

That said, we can categorically agree that everybody doing "life as usual" is very dangerous for the spread of this virus AND that everybody being 100% locked down with no contacts is very impractical, if not impossible and comes with its own set of very real dangers, financially and mental health wise.

Given that, we agree whole hog either way is a bad move, the balance that comes into play is how much elimination of contacts is worth it for the benefit.

There is no denying the fact that as you move to the "fewer contact points" side of things, you do 2 things -
1. Decrease the chances of spread
2. Decrease quality of life (and this is important cause humans are inherently social - the notion that there is no harm from staying inside all day everyday is incorrect)

It's up to each person to decide where the best "balance" is, but there are a few things to keep in mind:
1. Your personal "balance point" may be outside of the recommendations of the medical community, or these "orders"
2. Others around you will have different "balance points" and probably have their own opinions about who is over/under concerned.

Either way, using terminology like "fearful" in a way that is clearly intended to say they over overstating the legitimacy of things or, perhaps, understating the negative consequences of these measures is a statement that only holds up based on your personal frame of reference, i.e. what you consider the appropriate balance point.

It's no more fair to call people with more of a lean towards limiting contacts "fearful" than it would be for them to call you "reckless" for putting more value on the social/financial well being side of things...


You think all of this because he is letting his kids play outside with a few friends while maintaining their distance?


Of course. This isn't an opinion on a single situation - it is an overview at a higher level.

Saying otherwise is akin to saying there is no risk in driving to the corner store cause it's a short trip. It's low risk as is the situation with the neighbors but the problem is when everyone equates "low" with "none", the dynamics of large numbers start to come into play and this thing spreads.
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JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:
It's not about "fearful" and "fearless", it's a balance.

The FACT is, every interaction you have increases the risk of spread. That's a FACT, just like it's a FACT that the more trips you take in a car, the more likely you are to have a wreck.

That said, we can categorically agree that everybody doing "life as usual" is very dangerous for the spread of this virus AND that everybody being 100% locked down with no contacts is very impractical, if not impossible and comes with its own set of very real dangers, financially and mental health wise.

Given that, we agree whole hog either way is a bad move, the balance that comes into play is how much elimination of contacts is worth it for the benefit.

There is no denying the fact that as you move to the "fewer contact points" side of things, you do 2 things -
1. Decrease the chances of spread
2. Decrease quality of life (and this is important cause humans are inherently social - the notion that there is no harm from staying inside all day everyday is incorrect)

It's up to each person to decide where the best "balance" is, but there are a few things to keep in mind:
1. Your personal "balance point" may be outside of the recommendations of the medical community, or these "orders"
2. Others around you will have different "balance points" and probably have their own opinions about who is over/under concerned.

Either way, using terminology like "fearful" in a way that is clearly intended to say they over overstating the legitimacy of things or, perhaps, understating the negative consequences of these measures is a statement that only holds up based on your personal frame of reference, i.e. what you consider the appropriate balance point.

It's no more fair to call people with more of a lean towards limiting contacts "fearful" than it would be for them to call you "reckless" for putting more value on the social/financial well being side of things...


You think all of this because he is letting his kids play outside with a few friends while maintaining their distance?

See below. But it's become very clear from your posts in this thread and others that you aren't actually looking for answers, just looking for confirmation of what you already believe to be true.

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If your son visits his girlfriend, and you later sneak over for coffee with a neighbor, your neighbor is now connected to the infected office worker that your son's girlfriend's mother shook hands with.

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People are already itching to cheat on the social distancing precautions just a "little"- a playdate, a haircut, or picking up a needless item at the store, etc. From a transmission dynamics standpoint, this very quickly recreates a highly connected social network that undermines all of the work the community has done so far.
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This is the first crisis that has truly affected the day-to-day lifestyle of everyone currently alive in the country.

Nothing compares to this from what any of us has ever experienced. Stuff like a President election outcome or even an event like September 11 pale in comparison and are relatively trivial to the ways this pandemic has significantly and dramatically affected the day-to-day routine of every American (and most people in the world), regardless of your gender, age, religion, political party, etc. It has hit everyone. It has every parent in the country asking questions like 'should I let my kids play with other kids right now?'. Sports and entertainment (all of Hollywood) has been completely shutdown. All schools and universities are closed. 95% of the worlds borders are currently closed to international travel.

Because of that, I think you can expect a lot of posters on here to get extra emotional, anxious, etc. That is going to be a normal understandable response, because unlike every other TexAgs topic ever debated in the history of this site, this is the first thing in our lives that is actually in everybody's face personally every single day whether they want it or not. It's a truly personal topic. For everybody.
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 4:39p, 4/5/20
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Capitol Ag said:
grassmastersbcs said:
I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.
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JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:
It's not about "fearful" and "fearless", it's a balance.

The FACT is, every interaction you have increases the risk of spread. That's a FACT, just like it's a FACT that the more trips you take in a car, the more likely you are to have a wreck.

That said, we can categorically agree that everybody doing "life as usual" is very dangerous for the spread of this virus AND that everybody being 100% locked down with no contacts is very impractical, if not impossible and comes with its own set of very real dangers, financially and mental health wise.

Given that, we agree whole hog either way is a bad move, the balance that comes into play is how much elimination of contacts is worth it for the benefit.

There is no denying the fact that as you move to the "fewer contact points" side of things, you do 2 things -
1. Decrease the chances of spread
2. Decrease quality of life (and this is important cause humans are inherently social - the notion that there is no harm from staying inside all day everyday is incorrect)

It's up to each person to decide where the best "balance" is, but there are a few things to keep in mind:
1. Your personal "balance point" may be outside of the recommendations of the medical community, or these "orders"
2. Others around you will have different "balance points" and probably have their own opinions about who is over/under concerned.

Either way, using terminology like "fearful" in a way that is clearly intended to say they over overstating the legitimacy of things or, perhaps, understating the negative consequences of these measures is a statement that only holds up based on your personal frame of reference, i.e. what you consider the appropriate balance point.

It's no more fair to call people with more of a lean towards limiting contacts "fearful" than it would be for them to call you "reckless" for putting more value on the social/financial well being side of things...


You think all of this because he is letting his kids play outside with a few friends while maintaining their distance?
He didn't say they were maintaining their distance. He said he was letting his kids play with the neighbors kids outside only. It's really not about one person's actions not being a big deal.

The point is that if everyone took the same approach, then no one is following the recommended guidelines that doctors and experts have asked us to follow. Your haphazard approach, along with others like you, is the kind of behavior that allows this virus to spread to others. But perhaps everyone else should follow the rules, and you should get to play Mr. Nonconformist while calling the rest of us fearful and anxious.

I'm trying to do my part...not out of fear or anxiety but to work together as a community to get through this and allow us to carry on with our lives in normal fashion.

There are people who believe people should be FORCED to stay in their homes by martial law. I'm not one of those people, but you're providing good evidence for their argument.
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In reply to bay fan • 5:07p, 4/5/20
bay fan said:
Capitol Ag said:
grassmastersbcs said:
I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.


Again, please explain how non-compliance prolongs the pandemic. These measures were put in place to slow the spread, not stop it. There by making the pandemic last longer as it takes the virus longer to make its way through the community. According to the experts the pandemic will only end once herd immunity is reached or a vaccine is obtained. Non-compliance with social distancing will only help us reach heard immunity faster, but the trade off is more deaths.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 5:25p, 4/5/20
SirLurksALot said:
bay fan said:
Capitol Ag said:
grassmastersbcs said:
I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.
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In reply to bay fan • 5:31p, 4/5/20
bay fan said:
Capitol Ag said:
grassmastersbcs said:
I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.
For many families cooped up inside, it apparently does. FWIW, we have seen a 2,500% increase in pedestrian activity in my municipality. Under normal circumstances, there are plenty of people walking, biking, and playing in front yards. Nowadays, it is happening 25x above normal levels.

The groups are small, a couple families to maybe three. The groups certainly space out and follow the rules, generally.

I think its just human nature to want to socialize a bit in times like this.

Conversely, vehicular traffic is down 65%.
I am the mayor of an enclave municipality in a highly populated county in Texas. I post on TexAgs somewhat regularly under another username.

I have created this profile for use during the COVID-19 situation to provide one persons local government perspective.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 5:41p, 4/5/20
Proposition Joe said:
SirLurksALot said:
bay fan said:
Capitol Ag said:
grassmastersbcs said:
I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.
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