It has at our essential workplace. And that's 500 employees a day at a chemical plant. We're keeping the other 1500 work from home or furloughed.
Employer Ending Work from Home Next Week
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We chose not to because it'd put the temperature taker at risk by being so close to someone. We have roughly 25 people in a 50,000 sq-ft facility and we have several working from home.
Regarding liability, a single worker getting Covid probably wouldn't have much of a case, but if you have a large outbreak and 50 people get sick, then it's much easier to argue where the disease came from. Also, of there's a large outbreak in a company, it puts the company at risk of not having enough employees.
We implemented it at my office starting last week, but we shut our doors and are only doing business online and via phone and have been doing that since the 19th of March.
I'm glad we are open and encourage anyone else to have a safe work environment set up and ready to start getting businesses up and running as soon as Abbott says so. Hopefully sooner than later.
I'm glad we are open and encourage anyone else to have a safe work environment set up and ready to start getting businesses up and running as soon as Abbott says so. Hopefully sooner than later.
I'm not certain on this, but I believe the source of the virus CAN be traced through specific people. Thus if you had a "super spreader" at a single office, it could be determined who the source was.
I'm thinking of the lawyer in NY who basically birthed their outbreak.
I'm thinking of the lawyer in NY who basically birthed their outbreak.
A couple things: first, just because you personally don't think productivity has dropped since starting to work from home that doesn't mean it's the case as a whole. Again, you may be doing your work, but I guarantee you there are a lot of people out there slacking off and just moving the mouse every few minutes, so to speak.
Second, if you are at risk, talk to your boss. If you aren't at risk and aren't forced to be around those that are at risk, I don't see the big problem. Be conscious of what you're doing, wash your hands a lot, and don't touch your face.
I'll trade you my unemployment for having to go into an office.
Second, if you are at risk, talk to your boss. If you aren't at risk and aren't forced to be around those that are at risk, I don't see the big problem. Be conscious of what you're doing, wash your hands a lot, and don't touch your face.
I'll trade you my unemployment for having to go into an office.
Can I ask what you do, or at least what industry you're in?
clearly your employer doesn't think productivity is the same. I don't know what line of work you are in, but i would guess most productivity has dropped some in many situations.cgbspur21 said:
Miss the part where I said I'm VERY blessed and thankful to even have a job? Not complaining about having to put on slacks and a polo, could care less about that. Much more concerned with my own health and safety as well as colleagues, along with other people we may come into contact with.
I understand plenty of people throughout history have been to war, fought for our freedom, and I am eternally grateful to them for doing so. I also understand there are millions without jobs right now and my heart breaks for those families.
However...that has nothing to do with my post.
the other option companies are facing is furloughing
obviously not a government employeeJet Black said:
At my company, if you aren't essential and don't have the capability to work from home, that is really your only option. They aren't paying people to stay home and do nothing.
LOL are you serious?ham98 said:
If you know who provides the liability insurance to your company just forward the order to them and see what the response is
Student housing. All I can really say publicly.
Thanks, that's useful information.cgbspur21 said:
Student housing. All I can really say publicly.
I'm incredibly lucky in that for the last 15 years (hooray Remote Desktop!) I've had a job I can do from anywhere. In my experience, the managers who require people in the office are doing it for 1 of 2 reasons:
1) They're insecure and have to micro manage employees and the only way to effectively do that is by watching over them.
2) They have employees who suck and won't get the job done if they aren't forced to.
Usually it's obvious when #2 is the concern, and basically everybody knows it, and if it's not that it's always #1.
Hoping for the best for you man. Good luck, be safe, and try not to let the stress and the doom & gloom get to you.
You do realize things are still manufactured and built in this country? Not everything is done online.
Also, there are still teams that work together better when able to be in person.
Also, there are still teams that work together better when able to be in person.
Before this, I used to enjoy working from home. Now I want nothing more than to be able to go to my office to get away from the noise!
You'll be fine.
I've been going to work for the past 3 weeks. Wash your hands when you get to your office, use paper towels or tissue to open doors (or disposable gloves that you WILL dispose of), use hand sanitizer if available, and avoid people as much as possible if you are scared.
The world has to move on. This nonsense has gone on far enough. We let the nancies have their way and it's wrecked the economy. Time for adults to have a turn.
I've been going to work for the past 3 weeks. Wash your hands when you get to your office, use paper towels or tissue to open doors (or disposable gloves that you WILL dispose of), use hand sanitizer if available, and avoid people as much as possible if you are scared.
The world has to move on. This nonsense has gone on far enough. We let the nancies have their way and it's wrecked the economy. Time for adults to have a turn.
Yes, but I was obviously talking about positions that could work remotely, they just aren't allowed to... which is the OP's situation.agdaddy04 said:
You do realize things are still manufactured and built in this country? Not everything is done online.
This virus is going to last much longer than the economy will last. If people don't go back to work in spite of the virus we will have much bigger problems than this virus!
txag11 said:
I would guess that if they are ending it there's a definite economic incentive to do so.
That is definitely NOT a given. I have been listening to people for weeks that have seen no drop in productivity, but are furious that workers are being allowed to be "lazy" and not come in to the office while still doing their work.
There is a serious cultural bias against WAH, and it's not JUST generational.
mazag08 said:
You'll be fine.
I've been going to work for the past 3 weeks. Wash your hands when you get to your office, use paper towels or tissue to open doors (or disposable gloves that you WILL dispose of), use hand sanitizer if available, and avoid people as much as possible if you are scared.
The world has to move on. This nonsense has gone on far enough. We let the nancies have their way and it's wrecked the economy. Time for adults to have a turn.
It's amazing to me that leaders at the city, county, state and federal level are nearly all nancies, not to mention the leaders at nearly all developed nations. Just worldwide nancies.
Need more hard legged adults like yourself in charge of world affairs.
strauss12 said:
Will they be doing temp tests on every employee daily before entering and require masks in the office space? That is the only way I can see this working. Either that or have everyone tested at biweekly intervals.
Welcome to healthcare. We have been doing this for over a month and have had ZERO positive cases among employees or residents.
Going back to the office shouldn't change your other day to day behaviors.
Complete Idiot said:mazag08 said:
You'll be fine.
I've been going to work for the past 3 weeks. Wash your hands when you get to your office, use paper towels or tissue to open doors (or disposable gloves that you WILL dispose of), use hand sanitizer if available, and avoid people as much as possible if you are scared.
The world has to move on. This nonsense has gone on far enough. We let the nancies have their way and it's wrecked the economy. Time for adults to have a turn.
It's amazing to me that leaders at the city, county, state and federal level are nearly all nancies, not to mention the leaders at nearly all developed nations. Just worldwide nancies.
Need more hard legged adults like yourself in charge of world affairs.
Username checks out.
Mordred said:Thanks, that's useful information.cgbspur21 said:
Student housing. All I can really say publicly.
I'm incredibly lucky in that for the last 15 years (hooray Remote Desktop!) I've had a job I can do from anywhere. In my experience, the managers who require people in the office are doing it for 1 of 2 reasons:
1) They're insecure and have to micro manage employees and the only way to effectively do that is by watching over them.
2) They have employees who suck and won't get the job done if they aren't forced to.
Usually it's obvious when #2 is the concern, and basically everybody knows it, and if it's not that it's always #1.
Hoping for the best for you man. Good luck, be safe, and try not to let the stress and the doom & gloom get to you.
Managers in your industry maybe, but there are many others that require the workforce to be present to function properly
Are your customers not affected by not being able to work? If you don't have customers it doesn't matter if you can work from home.
Haven't missed a day of work other than my honeymoon. I'm at the shop 6 days a week. Mechanics are some of the most unsanitary people you've ever seen. Not one single case here.
Take a risk. It's what adults do.
Take a risk. It's what adults do.
Your grand parents didn't have the internet and technology tools that made working from home completely possible. 25 years ago I was office based. I migrated to about 50/50 18 years ago or so and have been primarily working from my home office for 15 years. There is zero I need an office for and I am far more efficient without all the distracting chit chat. Your idea of working from home is uninformed and out dated.AnScAggie said:
Imagine what the previous generations would say about this thread. My grandparents generation would do almost anything for a job during the great depression, other generations did whatever it took during WWII and people waited in line for hours to get enough gas or converted their vehicle to propane like my dad did to go to work during the 70's, and now we have people complaining that they might not be able to do their job from the couch in their pajamas or stretchy pants. SMH.
Complete Idiot said:mazag08 said:
You'll be fine.
I've been going to work for the past 3 weeks. Wash your hands when you get to your office, use paper towels or tissue to open doors (or disposable gloves that you WILL dispose of), use hand sanitizer if available, and avoid people as much as possible if you are scared.
The world has to move on. This nonsense has gone on far enough. We let the nancies have their way and it's wrecked the economy. Time for adults to have a turn.
It's amazing to me that leaders at the city, county, state and federal level are nearly all nancies, not to mention the leaders at nearly all developed nations. Just worldwide nancies.
Need more hard legged adults like yourself in charge of world affairs.
Correct. We need more people willing to manage all threats, both to our health and our economy, and less people who believed the original doom and gloom numbers pushed by models with faulty inputs.
What is the purpose of the temp checks? It seems like the people that are most likely to be out spreading the virus are the ones that aren't showing any symptoms. I'm genuinely curious. Is it just to make folks feel safer?
Have been seeing patients one to two days a week for the last three weeks as that is all we could keep filled after cancellations.
This week is the first time we have had patients calling to make appointments rather than to cancel them. Next week we are almost back to regular speed.
Hope we do not get a second wave of this stuff but imho we have to get back to work.
This week is the first time we have had patients calling to make appointments rather than to cancel them. Next week we are almost back to regular speed.
Hope we do not get a second wave of this stuff but imho we have to get back to work.
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Yup, I'd think if anything this has taught us that a whole lot of people can actually work from home effectively and many of the reasons for not doing it in the past don't have much basis.Ag_of_08 said:txag11 said:
I would guess that if they are ending it there's a definite economic incentive to do so.
That is definitely NOT a given. I have been listening to people for weeks that have seen no drop in productivity, but are furious that workers are being allowed to be "lazy" and not come in to the office while still doing their work.
There is a serious cultural bias against WAH, and it's not JUST generational.
bay fan said:Your grand parents didn't have the internet and technology tools that made working from home completely possible. 25 years ago I was office based. I migrated to about 50/50 18 years ago or so and have been primarily working from my home office for 15 years. There is zero I need an office for and I am far more efficient without all the distracting chit chat. Your idea of working from home is uninformed and out dated.AnScAggie said:
Imagine what the previous generations would say about this thread. My grandparents generation would do almost anything for a job during the great depression, other generations did whatever it took during WWII and people waited in line for hours to get enough gas or converted their vehicle to propane like my dad did to go to work during the 70's, and now we have people complaining that they might not be able to do their job from the couch in their pajamas or stretchy pants. SMH.
And your idea of working from home is completely anecdotal and from your own self who has the means, capability, and desire to work from home. There are people out there who's productivity is down significantly, I guarantee that. So as a whole, most companies productivity will be down as well. I had an employee who's excuse was their Internet was too slow and needed to be upgraded so they couldn't log in. Then you have those with no discipline and will just sit on the couch and watch tv or play video games if they have the chance. Don't get me wrong, I believe business should and will work towards a work from home model, my wife works from home, actually. However, it'll be a transition and they'll be able to hire people who can reliably work from home. It won't be an instantaneous thing like it is now where people who have no business working from home are trying to do just that.
Well, you said "we". If by "we", you mean people in nearly every country, and by "the nancies" you meant leaders nearly everywhere, then I have to ask what psychology you think led to this rare and unprecedented worldwide group think. I don't think leaders in RUssia or China or Saudi Arabia or Malaysia or Venezuela are generally thought of as bleeding heart nancies, yet they have lockdowns. All these various countries, cultures, societies are lead by nancies as are us Americans? Only you and select others were able to see the faulty inputs to scientific studies and knew it was all bull*****mazag08 said:Complete Idiot said:mazag08 said:
You'll be fine.
I've been going to work for the past 3 weeks. Wash your hands when you get to your office, use paper towels or tissue to open doors (or disposable gloves that you WILL dispose of), use hand sanitizer if available, and avoid people as much as possible if you are scared.
The world has to move on. This nonsense has gone on far enough. We let the nancies have their way and it's wrecked the economy. Time for adults to have a turn.
It's amazing to me that leaders at the city, county, state and federal level are nearly all nancies, not to mention the leaders at nearly all developed nations. Just worldwide nancies.
Need more hard legged adults like yourself in charge of world affairs.
Correct. We need more people willing to manage all threats, both to our health and our economy, and less people who believed the original doom and gloom numbers pushed by models with faulty inputs.
The working from home thing is fine for white collar, highly motivated employees.
I have discovered that a lot of my employees, especially the clerical ones, need the office environment to keep them disciplined and motivated.
Now my special needs daughter does great from home as she is the person who calls and confirms appointments. My office manager has said if she had ten of her there would be no worries. So proud of her!
I have discovered that a lot of my employees, especially the clerical ones, need the office environment to keep them disciplined and motivated.
Now my special needs daughter does great from home as she is the person who calls and confirms appointments. My office manager has said if she had ten of her there would be no worries. So proud of her!
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We are working on the "return to work" protocols for white-collar offices when gov'ts let us reopen.
A couple of questions I'm currently trying to answer:
- Are the temperature checks a good idea? Who wants to volunteer to be that guy?
- If PPE is required, would people even want to come in?
- What do we do if/when someone catches it? Do we shut down every time?
- What is the long term plan for this thing? Are we scared of it forever?
A couple of questions I'm currently trying to answer:
- Are the temperature checks a good idea? Who wants to volunteer to be that guy?
- If PPE is required, would people even want to come in?
- What do we do if/when someone catches it? Do we shut down every time?
- What is the long term plan for this thing? Are we scared of it forever?
yukmonkey said:
We are working on the "return to work" protocols for white-collar offices when gov'ts let us reopen.
A couple of questions I'm currently trying to answer:
- Are the temperature checks a good idea? Who wants to volunteer to be that guy?
- If PPE is required, would people even want to come in?
- What do we do if/when someone catches it? Do we shut down every time?
- What is the long term plan for this thing? Are we scared of it forever?
My office is in the same position. They've sent out emails about protocol for when we are able to open fully. They've mentioned everyone will be required to wear an N95, but so far have not purchased any. Implementing other "rules" that we have to sanitize everything, maintain social distancing everywhere, and no more than 1 person in a vehicle at a time. It's easy for me to stay away from everyone since I can just close the door to my office, but we have a group that are close to each other in cubes. I'm not sure how it's going to work out, or the morale once they call us all back
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