The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Should stores, public transportation, etc. require everyone to wear masks?
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aTm2004 said:Go for it. That's your choice and I won't judge you for it. All I ask is for you not to judge me or others like me who understand life has risks.Squadron7 said:aTm2004 said:
No. If a store requires it then I will go to a store the doesn't. There's a risk to living and I'm willing to take that risk over having to remember to wear a mask that I haven't needed for 38 years.
I figure any mask I'm wearing doesn't do me that much good...but does help look out for the guy next to me.
So, for the near future anyway. A mask it is.
Fair enough.
And, you're welcome.
was he wearing a mask?
No, I understand perfectly. Your belief is other generations, some voluntarily, many involuntarily (that thing called "the draft"), gave up their lives so that you shouldn't, under any? circumstances, be expected to make the "sacrifice" of wearing a mask to go have dinner.aTm2004 said:You missed my entire point in this circle jerk. If my grandfather was a live today, he would rather catch the virus and die vs. giving up his freedom to live a normal life. I'm sure if you asked your father's generation, they'd say the same thing. That's not disgusting or perverted. That's the truth. You're happy to give up the freedom his generation ensured for us. I'm not.TheAngelFlight said:This is disgusting and perverted.aTm2004 said:
Ever spoken with a WWII vet who lied about their age to fight to protect the freedoms people today gave up so easily?
My father's generation sacrificed everything in the Pacific and Europe. Don't invoke them to justify you're not wanting to sacrifice the public's full view of your mouth and nose.
My grandfather's generation put masks on to go fight in the trenches. You can put on a mask to go eat your fancy dinner.
As a former faculty member, how'd you graduate Texas A&M with such a flawed understanding of selflessness?
Duncan Idaho said:
The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Even with social distancing and greater awareness of hand-washing and face touching? Is it known that aerosolized infection is on par with hand/touch and droplets?
TheAngelFlight said:This is disgusting and perverted.aTm2004 said:
Ever spoken with a WWII vet who lied about their age to fight to protect the freedoms people today gave up so easily?
My father's generation sacrificed everything in the Pacific and Europe. Don't invoke them to justify you're not wanting to sacrifice the public's full view of your mouth and nose.
My grandfather's generation put masks on to go fight in the trenches. You can put on a mask to go eat your fancy dinner.
Well, technically that's impossible. You'll have at least pull the mask down to eat.
Cut him some slack. Logic and reasoning are an acquired skill that not everybody can master.Capitol Ag said:TheAngelFlight said:This is disgusting and perverted.aTm2004 said:
Ever spoken with a WWII vet who lied about their age to fight to protect the freedoms people today gave up so easily?
My father's generation sacrificed everything in the Pacific and Europe. Don't invoke them to justify you're not wanting to sacrifice the public's full view of your mouth and nose.
My grandfather's generation put masks on to go fight in the trenches. You can put on a mask to go eat your fancy dinner.
Well, technically that's impossible. You'll have at least pull the mask down to eat.
aTm2004 said:You missed my entire point in this circle jerk. If my grandfather was a live today, he would rather catch the virus and die vs. giving up his freedom to live a normal life. I'm sure if you asked your father's generation, they'd say the same thing. That's not disgusting or perverted. That's the truth. You're happy to give up the freedom his generation ensured for us. I'm not.TheAngelFlight said:This is disgusting and perverted.aTm2004 said:
Ever spoken with a WWII vet who lied about their age to fight to protect the freedoms people today gave up so easily?
My father's generation sacrificed everything in the Pacific and Europe. Don't invoke them to justify you're not wanting to sacrifice the public's full view of your mouth and nose.
My grandfather's generation put masks on to go fight in the trenches. You can put on a mask to go eat your fancy dinner.
I am pretty sure my grandfathers and grandmothers would have hopped down off their horse/wagon and told you about the sacrifices they glad made to during their lives to protect those around them. They would laugh at the idea that wearing a mask was an attack on their freedoms.
Not to blow up all your insightful logic and reasoning you've displayed, but you can wear a mask "to go" do just about everything, including when you're "going to" eat dinner.The_Fox said:Cut him some slack. Logic and reasoning are an acquired skill that not everybody can master.Capitol Ag said:TheAngelFlight said:This is disgusting and perverted.aTm2004 said:
Ever spoken with a WWII vet who lied about their age to fight to protect the freedoms people today gave up so easily?
My father's generation sacrificed everything in the Pacific and Europe. Don't invoke them to justify you're not wanting to sacrifice the public's full view of your mouth and nose.
My grandfather's generation put masks on to go fight in the trenches. You can put on a mask to go eat your fancy dinner.
Well, technically that's impossible. You'll have at least pull the mask down to eat.
Yeah I'm not wearing a mask in my home or during my car ride to the restaurant or taking it off to eat and getting it contaminated. If I am only going to "eat my fancy dinner" I am not wearing jack shlt!TXAggie2011 said:Not to blow up all your insightful logic and reasoning you've displayed, but you can wear a mask "to go" do just about everything, including when you're "going to" eat dinner.The_Fox said:Cut him some slack. Logic and reasoning are an acquired skill that not everybody can master.Capitol Ag said:TheAngelFlight said:This is disgusting and perverted.aTm2004 said:
Ever spoken with a WWII vet who lied about their age to fight to protect the freedoms people today gave up so easily?
My father's generation sacrificed everything in the Pacific and Europe. Don't invoke them to justify you're not wanting to sacrifice the public's full view of your mouth and nose.
My grandfather's generation put masks on to go fight in the trenches. You can put on a mask to go eat your fancy dinner.
Well, technically that's impossible. You'll have at least pull the mask down to eat.
If you believe your grandfather and his generation were willing to die in war so that "you" could have a normal life, why are you not willing to wear a mask so that your grandfather and his generation can have a normal life?Quote:
You missed my entire point in this circle jerk. If my grandfather was a live today, he would rather catch the virus and die vs. giving up his freedom to live a normal life. I'm sure if you asked your father's generation, they'd say the same thing. That's not disgusting or perverted. That's the truth. You're happy to give up the freedom his generation ensured for us. I'm not.
In short, yes.
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Would he rather catch the virus and give it to someone else, killing them? Because that's what this is really about.aTm2004 said:You missed my entire point in this circle jerk. If my grandfather was a live today, he would rather catch the virus and die vs. giving up his freedom to live a normal life. I'm sure if you asked your father's generation, they'd say the same thing. That's not disgusting or perverted. That's the truth. You're happy to give up the freedom his generation ensured for us. I'm not.TheAngelFlight said:This is disgusting and perverted.aTm2004 said:
Ever spoken with a WWII vet who lied about their age to fight to protect the freedoms people today gave up so easily?
My father's generation sacrificed everything in the Pacific and Europe. Don't invoke them to justify you're not wanting to sacrifice the public's full view of your mouth and nose.
My grandfather's generation put masks on to go fight in the trenches. You can put on a mask to go eat your fancy dinner.
But I get it. You don't want to be told what to do. My 7 year old feels the same way.
I'll be judging, while I wear my mask to protect you and your family. Such a small 'sacrifice' to be helpful in a time like this.aTm2004 said:Go for it. That's your choice and I won't judge you for it. All I ask is for you not to judge me or others like me who understand life has risks.Squadron7 said:aTm2004 said:
No. If a store requires it then I will go to a store the doesn't. There's a risk to living and I'm willing to take that risk over having to remember to wear a mask that I haven't needed for 38 years.
I figure any mask I'm wearing doesn't do me that much good...but does help look out for the guy next to me.
So, for the near future anyway. A mask it is.
I would like for the government to recommend that grocery stores ask their customers to wear masks but leave it up to the grocery store. This is the way everything should be.JP_Losman said:
this is Orwellian on its face.
Let restaurants and customers decide by using the free market.
NO GUIDELINES FROM BUREAUCRATS
If I lived in a town with a bunch of grocery stores and one was constantly cleaning up and keeping it from being overcrowded and forcing people to wear masks and another one was business as usual, I would go to the one where they were being more careful. I think most people at this time want the businesses to show that they want to reduce transmission of the virus.
It is the droplet transmission that masks are thought to minimize. From asymptomatic people who do not know they are infected. Namely, anyone. So wear a mask to protect others.Squadron7 said:Duncan Idaho said:
The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Even with social distancing and greater awareness of hand-washing and face touching? Is it known that aerosolized infection is on par with hand/touch and droplets?
88planoAg said:It is the droplet transmission that masks are thought to minimize. From asymptomatic people who do not know they are infected. Namely, anyone. So wear a mask to protect others.Squadron7 said:Duncan Idaho said:
The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Even with social distancing and greater awareness of hand-washing and face touching? Is it known that aerosolized infection is on par with hand/touch and droplets?
But what I am looking for is some idea as to the likelihood of catching the coronavirus from each the various ways to get it.
I.e., the chances of getting it through your mask/out of the air vs. the chances of getting it from touching an infected surface and then touching your face.
Any ideas?
Seatbelts. I use mine. It took a while for me to comply until a good friend was killed in a rollover that he would have walked away from if he had his on. We'll get used to doing what we need to do to protect ourselves and others.
You confuse "guidelines" and "mandates". Being bureaucrats has nothing to do with it.JP_Losman said:
this is Orwellian on its face.
Let restaurants and customers decide by using the free market.
NO GUIDELINES FROM BUREAUCRATS
The arrogance on this board is astounding.
If any of you who responded to me want to discuss further, here's my invite.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3107469/replies/56399038
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3107469/replies/56399038
I haven't seen details of likelihood of catching the virus through various means, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there. I've been more focused on overall prevention - don't touch face, sanitizer, distance from others, (and now) masks, wash hands thoroughly when you get home.Squadron7 said:88planoAg said:It is the droplet transmission that masks are thought to minimize. From asymptomatic people who do not know they are infected. Namely, anyone. So wear a mask to protect others.Squadron7 said:Duncan Idaho said:
The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Even with social distancing and greater awareness of hand-washing and face touching? Is it known that aerosolized infection is on par with hand/touch and droplets?
But what I am looking for is some idea as to the likelihood of catching the coronavirus from each the various ways to get it.
I.e., the chances of getting it through your mask/out of the air vs. the chances of getting it from touching an infected surface and then touching your face.
Any ideas?
Duncan Idaho said:
The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Considering most of the scientific predictions about this have been completely wrong, you'll forgive me for not buying this.
"Exponential" and "two weeks" have lost all credibility right now.
HELL to the NO! HTH
If they let everyone open.
Willy Wonka said:
The thing that gets me at restaurants is the fact that they're wearing gloves but they handle the money from every person that comes through that drive through and passes the food to every car without ever changing.
They may protect the worker but they ensure that the customer is screwed.
They don't protect the worker if the worker touches their face with the glove on.
It is actually probably better to have a bottle of hand sanitizer there are sanitize between customers than to use the same gloves for multiple customers.
Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:I don't think a lot of people either get the point of gloves, or realize how useless they can be if you are not consciously tracking every little thing those gloves do.Willy Wonka said:
The thing that gets me at restaurants is the fact that they're wearing gloves but they handle the money from every person that comes through that drive through and passes the food to every car without ever changing.
They may protect the worker but they ensure that the customer is screwed.
It's all fake psychological security. Just having the gloves and the mask on make people feel and truly believe they can't get the virus or any illness for that matter when they go outside of their house, bunch of scared people who will believe anything they are told by their media moguls and Hollywood.
These are people you wouldn't want leading you. The media off the air just laughs their ass off while having a drink and say to one another " guys we did it people will believe anything we tell them, wow these people are easy to control"
aTm2004 said:
If any of you who responded to me want to discuss further, here's my invite.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3107469/replies/56399038
You don't want to discuss here? Of course you linked to forum 16. You're selfish and too cool for a mask, we get it. I don't need to go there to listen to you continue to spew nonsense
LegalDrugPusher said:Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:I don't think a lot of people either get the point of gloves, or realize how useless they can be if you are not consciously tracking every little thing those gloves do.Willy Wonka said:
The thing that gets me at restaurants is the fact that they're wearing gloves but they handle the money from every person that comes through that drive through and passes the food to every car without ever changing.
They may protect the worker but they ensure that the customer is screwed.
It's all fake psychological security. Just having the gloves and the mask on make people feel and truly believe they can't get the virus or any illness for that matter when they go outside of their house, bunch of scared people who will believe anything they are told by their media moguls and Hollywood.
These are people you wouldn't want leading you. The media off the air just laughs their ass off while having a drink and say to one another " guys we did it people will believe anything we tell them, wow these people are easy to control"
This is a pretty negative take. Of course most people don't understand proper glove and mask usage. They don't know how to don and doff ppe. I think that's to be expected considering 99% of people don't use them in normal life. Maybe we could educate them?
I'd like to think, I dont have the research, that mask usage, even if subpar, is useful for slowing down droplet spread. Maybe the 'feeling safe' gets more people out and about and negates that positive, but people are going to be out and about soon no matter what. Might as well get mask usage going.
The glove thing is meh... just educate. Leave the gloves at home, don't touch your face, wash your hands well, wash your damn germ phone.
aTm2004 said:I'll consider it if they put a firm end date on it. If it's one of those open ended things, I'm not for that. People need to stop living in fear over everything. It's crazy how fast people were willing to give up their freedom just to feel safe. A generation ago, people looked death and fear in the face to ensure we kept the freedoms we have. Now, it's "oh, well, if it means I'm safer, go ahead and take all of this away..."Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:I'm of a similar mindset, but if it makes it better to open more things up, I'll wear a mask or face cover when I'm in buildings and deal with that through May or June rather than the alternative.aTm2004 said:
No. If a store requires it then I will go to a store the doesn't. There's a risk to living and I'm willing to take that risk over having to remember to wear a mask that I haven't needed for 38 years.
You're talking about when you and your buddies invaded Iraq instead of staying in school?
You know what the best "mask" is? Herd immunity.
Yes, I did wear a mask while out yesterday so don't grill my insensitive comment too much! But it's true. We do what we can to reach herd immunity, we won't need masks. Just say'n.
Yes, I did wear a mask while out yesterday so don't grill my insensitive comment too much! But it's true. We do what we can to reach herd immunity, we won't need masks. Just say'n.
Squadron7 said:88planoAg said:It is the droplet transmission that masks are thought to minimize. From asymptomatic people who do not know they are infected. Namely, anyone. So wear a mask to protect others.Squadron7 said:Duncan Idaho said:
The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Even with social distancing and greater awareness of hand-washing and face touching? Is it known that aerosolized infection is on par with hand/touch and droplets?
But what I am looking for is some idea as to the likelihood of catching the coronavirus from each the various ways to get it.
I.e., the chances of getting it through your mask/out of the air vs. the chances of getting it from touching an infected surface and then touching your face.
Any ideas?
From the articles of multiple people catching at single events like sporting events, choir practice or other indoor close room gatherings, my money is on most of it being transferred via air.
7nine
Congrats on all the humble bragging.Capitol Ag said:
Add gyms to the list of masks being hard to have, like restaurants. Sure, for slow steady cardio or easy crap, it won't be an issue. But how would one perform a 350lbs squat without an ability to breath the way they should. Any intense or heavy training, I would think as a trainer, would not be bad to do with a mask on. But I don't know. Like I said, for 80-90% of those at a regular big box corp gym who probably never really work that hard in the gym anyway, it will be a non issue. But I cannot imagine coaching the Valsalva maneuver to a client doing squats or deadlifts with a mask on. It'll be interesting to see how gyms ultimately open back up.
I've lost count of the conversations I've had with health inspectors that tell me they mostly hate glove use in restaurants. Because most restaurants don't do it correctly and it gives the worker a false sense of "cleanliness".Willy Wonka said:
The thing that gets me at restaurants is the fact that they're wearing gloves but they handle the money from every person that comes through that drive through and passes the food to every car without ever changing.
They may protect the worker but they ensure that the customer is screwed.
Just about every inspector I've know prefers proper hand washing over glove use.
GiveEmHellBill said:Duncan Idaho said:
The economy won't stay open very long if you dont force compliance with masks.
No masks and we are exponential in a matter of weeks.
Considering most of the scientific predictions about this have been completely wrong, you'll forgive me for not buying this.
"Exponential" and "two weeks" have lost all credibility right now.
You realize that one of the reasons for them being "wrong" is because of the steps we've taken to limit the spread right?
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