So New York had over 1,000 deaths today or is this a typo
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Last: 5 yr ago by Bert315
Only 300 new cases?? 
NY State has undercounted, that has already been proven when looking at overall death #s.
They had a huge upswing in home deaths over the last 30 days. No way to test them all. Likely a decent percentage of these people had coronavirus, but a lot of them may have had other issues such as chest pain or other types of infection and chose not to seek medical treatment out of fear of contracting the virus or believing the hospitals were already full.
TacosaurusRex said:
I was reading that you are going to see their death numbers get out of control... because they can charge an additional 15% for corona related hospitalizations. I do not have time to look for the source on that, but it is something to consider.
Hospitals aren't pumping these numbers out, it is the public health people. The hospital numbers have been baked in for a long time. They are trying to account for home deaths.
Can we stop with conspiracy theories on this board?
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https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3106002/replies/56354323
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The authors of that article: Josh Katz has a master's degree in statistics and Margot Sanger-Katz is a cum laude Yale graduate who completed a Columbia fellowship in economics reporting.
Quote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815
TLDR: medic in NYC worked 12 cardiac arrests in one day, all died, all strongly suspected to be covid 19 positive and none were tested or counted in the 594 that died that day in NY.
He said a typical week would see 2 or 3 of those cardiac calls.
The reduction in cases is a good thing, although 395 seems low...The Fall Guy said:
Only 300 new cases??
A death today is most likely from a case several days ago. The deaths lag behind the cases.
That site doesn't end the 'day' until 8pm CT. I'd expect that number to be somewhere around 6-8k by the end of today. If not, it'd be an anomaly.The Fall Guy said:
Only 300 new cases??
TacosaurusRex said:
I was reading that you are going to see their death numbers get out of control... because they can charge an additional 15% for corona related hospitalizations. I do not have time to look for the source on that, but it is something to consider.
What a worthless post.
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:You can't just throw out claims like that and then state you don't have time to look up a source. Being a physician that cares for and diagnoses covid patients, I have not heard anything like this. No one is pressuring me or my colleagues to diagnose people with COVID. Not to mention that if such a thing were true, it would actually require confirmation of the diagnosis.TacosaurusRex said:
I was reading that you are going to see their death numbers get out of control... because they can charge an additional 15% for corona related hospitalizations. I do not have time to look for the source on that, but it is something to consider.
Can we stop with conspiracy theories on this board?
Is a 15% increase or any increase for a covid diagnosis true or not?
PJYoung said:
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3106002/replies/56354323Quote:
The authors of that article: Josh Katz has a master's degree in statistics and Margot Sanger-Katz is a cum laude Yale graduate who completed a Columbia fellowship in economics reporting.Quote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815
TLDR: medic in NYC worked 12 cardiac arrests in one day, all died, all strongly suspected to be covid 19 positive and none were tested or counted in the 594 that died that day in NY.
He said a typical week would see 2 or 3 of those cardiac calls.
For the sake of discussion and further analysis, do we think 3,700 people with terrible hacking coughs AND shortness of breath causing breathing struggles didn't go to the ER much less call a doctor? A terrible hacking cough causing pain and struggling to breath; the thought going to the ER surely crosses your mind.
Here are some other things we don't know about that could contribute to the deaths:
- Increased stress with existing medical conditions
- Suicides (I honestly think less likely)
- Drug overdoses
The correlation doesn't necessarily mean it's the cause. It's probably a good guess considering the time frame, and may ultimately be proven true, but officials making decisions are presuming something they don't yet have the data to validate. Whether they are using that to make a decision I don't know.
What if those 5 of those extra cardiac arrests are due to stress or drugs? The paper behind that graph you posted doesn't have any actual hard number data related to causes because the death cause reporting is behind.
You're right. I should have posted the source without saying anything. I was running to a meeting and apologize.
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Section 4409 of the Bill.
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Why I wish people would stop attacking each other. He didn't attack anyone, yet others sure rushed to pass judgment.
After reading arguments on both sides of how we may be over counting and under counting I am beginning to think the death count is probably close to accurate.
What we really need to figure out is the case count.
What we really need to figure out is the case count.
In a year or two itll just be classified as another strain pf the flu.... Which has always been deadly when the variables are right.
SARS-CoV-2 is not related to the flu at all in any way. They do not present similarly, nor do they have similar clinical courses. This is an ignorant stance. Please educate yourself or have the decency not to comment.
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While medically and scientifically you may be able to make your distinctions. When you look at the early numbers....and i will preface this by saying i cant stand stats or numbers in situations like this bc they can and usually are manipulated...especially when the almighty dollar is involved and dont kid yourself it always is. But i will use the privately owned CDC's incomplete numbers and compare them to history and stand firm on my common sense opinion. While the highly educated scientist and doctors continue to correct and modify or update the models to be less doom and death.
You can call it ignorant and uneducated all you want, just bc i don't fall in line with your way of thinking doesn't make my opinion and less than yours.
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:You can't just throw out claims like that and then state you don't have time to look up a source. Being a physician that cares for and diagnoses covid patients, I have not heard anything like this. No one is pressuring me or my colleagues to diagnose people with COVID. Not to mention that if such a thing were true, it would actually require confirmation of the diagnosis.TacosaurusRex said:
I was reading that you are going to see their death numbers get out of control... because they can charge an additional 15% for corona related hospitalizations. I do not have time to look for the source on that, but it is something to consider.
Can we stop with conspiracy theories on this board?
Exactly, not only am I not being pressured to diagnose Covid, but I have to jump through flaming hoops over a pool of piranhas to "properly" document the testing indications.
We literally have a whole thread for this.
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102477
Short version is that in spite of a country wide shutdown, in 10 weeks this thing just killed as many people as it takes the flu a whole year to kill with a running start. While arguments can be made that our policy making was bad, you can't honestly believe this is just "another flu".
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102477
Short version is that in spite of a country wide shutdown, in 10 weeks this thing just killed as many people as it takes the flu a whole year to kill with a running start. While arguments can be made that our policy making was bad, you can't honestly believe this is just "another flu".
ShawnTxAg said:
You can call it ignorant and uneducated all you want, just bc i don't fall in line with your way of thinking doesn't make my opinion and less than yours.
It is not opinion that this killed more people than last years flu in less than 1/5 of the time. If you hold an opinion that is measurable and is also quantifiably false, that is the literal definition of ignorance.
According to the cdc in this last flu season from Oct 1st - Apr 4 we had 39 million - 56 million americans infected by the flu. We are currently sitting at 700,000. Multiply that by 7 months just to play w the numbers.. Deaths i will concede at this point but i think theres a lot more behind that and i wont use this thread to get into that. Just wanted to add my opinion and probably derailed the thread a bit so i apologize for that. Im not trying to minimize this at all, i just see it from a different perspective
You are solely basing your opinion of my ignorance on numbers you cant personally validate.
One last time. The flu is nothing like this disease. You are comparing apples to cabbages. These diseases are dissimilar in most aspects. This disease is not the flu and will never be classified as such. Please do some rudimentary research on viruses before making such ludicrous claims.
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Who is he going to believe, you or Dr Phil and Dr Oz?
You don't even have Dr in you stage name.
You don't even have Dr in you stage name.
Im not saying its similar in form, molecular structure or whatever defining characteristics you want to use. im comparing it to the overall impact it has had and is predicted to have via the CDC and how we have treated it, viewed it and reacted to it.
ShawnTxAg said:
You are solely basing your opinion of my ignorance on numbers you cant personally validate.
No, I'm basing it on every claim you opinion contains being falsifiable. Biologically this is entirely dissimilar to flu. Statistically this is either vastly more contagious, or vastly more deadly than flu, most likely a balance of both. As for the data validation piece, there is such a large quantity of data here that there is literally not a single person on earth that could verify it all. If you are not going to trust data (Even acknowledging it may have flaws) from generally trustworthy sources then there is no point in even having a discussion that involves data.
ShawnTxAg said:
Im not saying its similar in form, molecular structure or whatever defining characteristics you want to use. im comparing it to the overall impact it has had and is predicted to have via the CDC and how we have treated it, viewed it and reacted to it.
Never mind. Believe what you want to believe.
BlackGoldAg2011 said:ShawnTxAg said:
Im not saying its similar in form, molecular structure or whatever defining characteristics you want to use. im comparing it to the overall impact it has had and is predicted to have via the CDC and how we have treated it, viewed it and reacted to it.
Never mind. Believe what you want to believe.
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ShawnTxAg said:
You can call it ignorant and uneducated all you want, just bc i don't fall in line with your way of thinking doesn't make my opinion and less than yours.
It also does not make it intelligent. I agree with my fellow physician. Your opinion demonstrates a lack of understanding of Covid 19. That's a nice way of putting it.
Isn't this the precise definition of anecdotal?PJYoung said:Quote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815
TLDR: medic in NYC worked 12 cardiac arrests in one day, all died, all strongly suspected to be covid 19 positive and none were tested or counted in the 594 that died that day in NY.
He said a typical week would see 2 or 3 of those cardiac calls.
TacosaurusRex said:
I was reading that you are going to see their death numbers get out of control... because they can charge an additional 15% for corona related hospitalizations. I do not have time to look for the source on that, but it is something to consider.
Gonna need a source on that
Those millions of flu cases are estimates, not confirmed. We make estimates on the flu backed on decades of data. We don't make estimates on Covid because we don't have any prior data to make estimates on. When we say 50 million people had the flu in year X, only a few hundred thousand people actually went to the doctor and got a confirmed to have the flu. The reality is that Covid has killed almost as many people in a few weeks as an average flu takes months to do, and that's with bunkering everyone in their homes.
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