So New York had over 1,000 deaths today or is this a typo

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Boo Weekley
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Beat40 said:

PJYoung said:

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3106002/replies/56354323



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The authors of that article: Josh Katz has a master's degree in statistics and Margot Sanger-Katz is a cum laude Yale graduate who completed a Columbia fellowship in economics reporting.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815

TLDR: medic in NYC worked 12 cardiac arrests in one day, all died, all strongly suspected to be covid 19 positive and none were tested or counted in the 594 that died that day in NY.

He said a typical week would see 2 or 3 of those cardiac calls.


For the sake of discussion and further analysis, do we think 3,700 people with terrible hacking coughs AND shortness of breath causing breathing struggles didn't go to the ER much less call a doctor? A terrible hacking cough causing pain and struggling to breath; the thought going to the ER surely crosses your mind.

Here are some other things we don't know about that could contribute to the deaths:

- Increased stress with existing medical conditions
- Suicides (I honestly think less likely)
- Drug overdoses

The correlation doesn't necessarily mean it's the cause. It's probably a good guess considering the time frame, and may ultimately be proven true, but officials making decisions are presuming something they don't yet have the data to validate. Whether they are using that to make a decision I don't know.

What if those 5 of those extra cardiac arrests are due to stress or drugs? The paper behind that graph you posted doesn't have any actual hard number data related to causes because the death cause reporting is behind.


Stop questioning the fear mongers bro. They have been dead on through all of this.
Boo Weekley
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jkcpow said:

PJYoung said:

Quote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815

TLDR: medic in NYC worked 12 cardiac arrests in one day, all died, all strongly suspected to be covid 19 positive and none were tested or counted in the 594 that died that day in NY.

He said a typical week would see 2 or 3 of those cardiac calls.

Isn't this the precise definition of anecdotal?


Anecdotal is ok if it's negative.
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AG
How does want get a medical badge? Send in a pic of your medical school diploma?
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Beat40
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To be fair, I'm not really questioning PJYoung, just wanting to have a further discussion with a different view point. I do appreciate the contributions PJ had made to this board and politics with regards to COVID. His charts have been welcome!
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http://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102278
H2SAag
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Keegan99 said:

http://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102278


Thank you.
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Pumpkinhead said:

AgResearch said:

"Presumed deaths" now baked into their totals. I'm sure the Democrats will use those numbers for some Federal funds here soon. Gotta pump the numbers up.
Politics board = the place for political fearmongering and conspiracy theories. This board was intended to keep the tribal stuff to a minimum.


It's failed spectacularly if it was intended to keep the tribal stuff, as you say, to a minimum.
Orlando Ayala Cant Read
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Wait people are still putting this thing in the same category as the flu?
ETFan
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

Wait people are still putting this thing in the same category as the flu?
Yep! I see you haven't visited forum 16.
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Canyon99 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

AgResearch said:

"Presumed deaths" now baked into their totals. I'm sure the Democrats will use those numbers for some Federal funds here soon. Gotta pump the numbers up.
Politics board = the place for political fearmongering and conspiracy theories. This board was intended to keep the tribal stuff to a minimum.


It's failed spectacularly if it was intended to keep the tribal stuff, as you say, to a minimum.


Yeah, it feels like it's sort of turned into lord of the flies
Boo Weekley
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BowSowy said:

You post on Q Anon, take your ass back to that wacko thread and quit arguing with people who are very much more qualified to discuss this


To be fair, the people that are "qualified to discuss this" are purely focused on the virus itself...completely discounting the life changing (potentially across generations) economic and livelihood effects of this economic shut down. Eventually we have to just say "FU China, you will pay for our 3x as bad flu season" and "old people and morbidly obese and ill hunker down" while we try to resuscitate this country.
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ShawnTxAg said:

You can call it ignorant and uneducated all you want, just bc i don't fall in line with your way of thinking doesn't make my opinion and less than yours.


You're debating virology and epidemiology with a physician. Yes, his opinion carries more weight than yours on this topic.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

TacosaurusRex said:

I was reading that you are going to see their death numbers get out of control... because they can charge an additional 15% for corona related hospitalizations. I do not have time to look for the source on that, but it is something to consider.
You can't just throw out claims like that and then state you don't have time to look up a source. Being a physician that cares for and diagnoses covid patients, I have not heard anything like this. No one is pressuring me or my colleagues to diagnose people with COVID. Not to mention that if such a thing were true, it would actually require confirmation of the diagnosis.

Can we stop with conspiracy theories on this board?
I agree with you, he needs to site where I got that info. But, there's this too: Minnesota: Doctors Receiving Instructions "to Report Covid19 as a Cause of Death, even if Patient was never Tested".

While I do not think there is a grand conspiracy here, I do think accuracy must be adhered to regarding cause of death. Especially when they are asking us to shelter in place b/c of how serious this is.

Also, I 100% agree this is not the flu. I think the poster you are arguing with is trying to state that the effect is the same, not medically but in terms of deaths and number of illnesses. Granted, Covid may be higher and a lot more contagious, the flu is bad too. And heck, many times the damn flu vaccine doesn't work at all. It's a prediction. So while Covid has no vaccine, many years the flu doesn't either. So to a lot of people, its just something that makes you sick and for the overwhelming majority of people who get it, they will get over it and be fine. Very few have the serious issues and it's terrible obviously, but still isn't bad enough for an indefinite shut down either. I'm good with SiP until May to allow the healthcare system to prepare for any potential spikes. After that, its time to open back up over a few weeks. And if that still doesn't work, herd immunity is going to have to be how we fight this, imo.

Found this while searching for the CDC cause of death recommendations: [url=<blockquote][/url]
pic.twitter.com/uWQikmHSS0
Sorry, cant seem to embed the tweet. Link should work.
Proposition Joe
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Sadly that's where we're at nowadays.

If someone's belief doesn't mirror yours, claim they aren't credible. If that fails, claim there's no way anyone can know for certain. If that fails, act like it was never about the facts and they were just trying to get you ruffled.

If you continue to look foolish, wait a few days then shift to a new talking point and claim any reference to the previous subject is "living in the past".

Rinse. Repeat.

It's a series of responses that used to only reside in the sheltered and un-educated -- people that either didn't want to evolve/adapt or were embarrassed about their lack of knowledge. Now it's mainstream because it's not about actually learning something or teaching something, it's about scoring a point.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:



Can we stop with conspiracy theories on this board?

[Lets start by not quoting themStaff]
This isnt a good look for the Doc or Staff

14 ''(iv)(I) For discharges occurring during the emer15 gency period described in section 1135(g)(1)(B), in the 16 case of a discharge that has a principal or secondary diag17 nosis of COVID19, the Secretary shall increase the 18 weighting factor for each diagnosis-related group (with 19 such a principal or secondary diagnosis) by 15 percent. .

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s3548/BILLS-116s3548is.pdf
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ETFan
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Yeah no. Medicare reimbursement is already terrible. Throw in the extra precautions, ppe usage, pui paperwork, etc, and dealing with a prospective covid patient is expensive. Then, you have to wait however long before you get a test result back, if it's positive, ok, you get a little more reimbursement to help out. If not, oh well, eat it.

I guess you can accuse providers of fraudulent diagnoses/coding, but most docs I know don't like going to jail for a few bucks.
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Bert315
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ETFan said:

Yeah no. Medicare reimbursement is already terrible. Throw in the extra precautions, ppe usage, pui paperwork, etc, and dealing with a prospective covid patient is expensive. Then, you have to wait however long before you get a test result back, if it's positive, ok, you get a little more reimbursement to help out. If not, oh well, eat it.

I guess you can accuse providers of fraudulent diagnoses/coding, but most docs I know don't like going to jail for a few bucks.


This almost exactly. Medicare pays pennies just like Medicaid. Most hospitals barely break even on these claims to begin with.
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