You're picking two low probability outcomes and comparing them. That's not an accurate view.

That's like complaining about standing on 20 and the dealer goes 5 cards deep to get 21.

That it exists.

"We see 90+ year old people recover, yet we see 30 year old's not make it."

That just is not really true. It kills way way way more over 65 than 30 years olds.

How many *******s won't even take the simple step of wearing a mask in public

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That just is not really true. It kills way way way more over 65 than 30 years olds.

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True but I think his post was the randomness sometimes.

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How many *******s won't even take the simple step of wearing a mask in public

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I'm not.

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"We see 90+ year old people recover, yet we see 30 year old's not make it."

That just is not really true. It kills way way way more over 65 than 30 years olds.

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Uhh, it really is true. May not be high probability, but certainly has happened.

My biggest annoyance is the wide spectrum of symptoms. Anywhere from no symptoms to death.

Of all medical issues that have a chance of killing humans, this is one of the least likely to affect a younger person and not an older person. You can put that as one of the things that is frustrating about nearly any other illness known to man so I am not sure about that point. It is tens of thousands of times more likely to kill someone in their 90s over someone in their 30s.

That the ChiComs could kill everyone with their stupid games. Maybe not at this time But next time definitely a possibility.

The utter absolute lack of any relevant information other than partial stats from some places, anecdotal information from a few doctors . and other than, that loads of politicized or jaded bull*****

That we may still be dealing with this a year from now.

Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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"We see 90+ year old people recover, yet we see 30 year old's not make it."

That just is not really true. It kills way way way more over 65 than 30 years olds.

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What was said is percent true. It does kill 30 year olds and 90+ can live. No comparison on frequency was made and the tread is about what is frustrating. Stop goal tending every thread. Politics board didn't get shut down did it?

What frustrates me about this virus is that our ability to overcome it is completely dependent upon the cooperation of the entire population. We can't just ignore the people dumb enough to run to anything open just because they can as they will ultimately have an effect on the rest of us.

What frustrates me about this virus is that our ability to overcome it is completely dependent upon the cooperation of the entire population. We can't just ignore the people dumb enough to huddle scared in there place because they can as they will ultimately have an effect on the rest of us.

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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There are many that would not "otherwise be alive". The UK recorded large drops in the number of deaths due to heart disease, cebrovascular disease, and non covid respiratory disease in March compared to their 5 year average. Many of the people dying would've still died even if they didn't get the virus.

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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There are many that would not "otherwise be alive". The UK recorded large drops in the number of deaths due to heart disease, cebrovascular disease, and non covid respiratory disease in March compared to their 5 year average. Many of the people dying would've still died even if they didn't get the virus.

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How many of them? What %? Again, just doing anything possible to discount those peoples lives.

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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There are many that would not "otherwise be alive". The UK recorded large drops in the number of deaths due to heart disease, cebrovascular disease, and non covid respiratory disease in March compared to their 5 year average. Many of the people dying would've still died even if they didn't get the virus.

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How many of them? What %? Again, just doing anything possible to discount those peoples lives.

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Impossible to know at this point.

8000 people die everyday. We were never concerned about those deaths unless the person was someone we knew. Why would you expect people to treat the deaths of those killed by the virus any differently?

People die, that's life. Get over it and move on. No use being overly emotional about it.

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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There are many that would not "otherwise be alive". The UK recorded large drops in the number of deaths due to heart disease, cebrovascular disease, and non covid respiratory disease in March compared to their 5 year average. Many of the people dying would've still died even if they didn't get the virus.

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How many of them? What %? Again, just doing anything possible to discount those peoples lives.

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Impossible to know at this point.

8000 people die everyday. We were never concerned about those deaths unless the person was someone we knew. Why would you expect people to treat the deaths of those killed by the virus any differently?

People die, that's life. Get over it and move on. No use being overly emotional about it.

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I am so thankful the majority of society today doesn't have such an elementary view towards human life. We've eradicated other diseases worse than COVID entirely thanks to people who didn't have this way of thinking.

That it has fooled so many experts. Tricky little b.

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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There are many that would not "otherwise be alive". The UK recorded large drops in the number of deaths due to heart disease, cebrovascular disease, and non covid respiratory disease in March compared to their 5 year average. Many of the people dying would've still died even if they didn't get the virus.

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How many of them? What %? Again, just doing anything possible to discount those peoples lives.

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Impossible to know at this point.

8000 people die everyday. We were never concerned about those deaths unless the person was someone we knew. Why would you expect people to treat the deaths of those killed by the virus any differently?

People die, that's life. Get over it and move on. No use being overly emotional about it.

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I am so thankful the majority of society today doesn't have such an elementary view towards human life. We've eradicated other diseases worse than COVID entirely thanks to people who didn't have this way of thinking.

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The majority of society does view human life that way. That's why no one gives a crap about the 8000 people that die everyday. Or maybe I'm just missing all the people that are in mourning everyday. Lol

Not being emotional about the deaths of people you don't know isn't the same as not trying to prevent those deaths.

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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What was the average age of an American that died in Vietnam?

What is the average age of a COVID fatality?

I'm sorry, but an octogenarian with multiple comorbidities passing away is not the same tragedy as a teenager dying in combat. The former ends a full life. The latter steals a full life.

The most frustrating thing for me has not necessarily been the virus, but the medical community's response to it. Just look at the bonus checks cut to the c-suite execs over at Denver Health in a time when they are cutting employee salary or laying them off. Or the fact that many of these hospitals ran through their PPE supply in days because no one thought to have a stockpile of PPE. Or even locally not having plans in place well before we started seeing COVID patients. Like rather than setting up a designated COVID+ psych facility for a region (something our group asked our hospitals psych facility to consider), we have decided just to medically admit all these patients which is a huge disservice to our patients needing inpatient psychiatric services. Or the CDC deciding not to make testing a priority at the outset. Or how about our goal of evidence based medicine being thrown out the window for entirely unproven treatments because a medicine prevented viruses from replicating in a Petri dish (which is the lowest form of evidence outside of anecdotal that we have for medication efficacy). Rather than enrolling all these patients in trials, we began treating them with unproven medications. Had we instead worked on enrolling most of these individuals in clinical trials, we would already know whether these treatments work. Or how about the embarrassing lack of scientific literacy even among physicians, many of whom were promoting medications based on terrible studies like the French study that set off the HCQ craze. Or the numerous physicians and mid-levels that decided to hoard the medication that so many actually need for proven disease processes. Then we have pharmaceutical companies like Gilead promoting a drug searching for a disease (literally) in Remdesivir by "leaking" anecdotal reports of efficacy in their trial population while simultaneously increasing enrollment for their trial 6-fold which they did after peaking at the numbers during an interim analysis and realizing they were going to have a negative trial. This effectively will prolong its use before the likely negative trial data is realized, or is cut short due to "poor enrollment" (in which case they will conclude that the study was not properly powered due to poor enrollment and that they can't make any conclusion based on the data.) They then decide to make their other trial uncontrolled which was originally planned to be a randomized control trial. Then we have the high impact medical journals (NEJM and JAMA especially) that have decided to publish many of these low quality studies giving them more weight than they should receive.

There has just been so much wrong with our response and I hope this will be a history lesson to those in the future, but I doubt it.

Thank you for your comment. I'd like to think most people agree with you.

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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What was the average age of an American that died in Vietnam?

What is the average age of a COVID fatality?

I'm sorry, but an octogenarian with multiple comorbidities passing away is not the same tragedy as a teenager year old dying in combat. The former ends a full life. The latter steals a full life.

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Lets not kid ourselves, alot don't give a crap about our soldiers dying in pointless wars these days as well. If they did we'd have been out of the middle east a decade ago.

The most frustrating thing to me, by far, is allowing the idea that we could stop people from getting it to creep into our way of thinking. Now you see it every day, and in our current environment it is going to get worse.

But there is no stopping COVID-19. That was never the intention of the closures. Saying it was is revisionist. It is a cornovirus that is going to run thru our society, probably over and over again, for the foreseeable future. And just about everyone at some point is going to get it. The faster people come to this realization the better.

If that reality would have been communicated better from the beginning we would not be arguing about whether or not it is time to re open the economy.

at the same time, I'm glad American doctors finally got a crack at this thing

they've been much more open with frontline experience and what does not and how weird this is