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Duncan Idaho said:

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How many *******s won't even take the simple step of wearing a mask in public

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If I go into public and don't cough or sneeze even one time how is me wearing a mask helping anybody else?

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Isn't there new data that even breathing spreads droplets and virus

People like you who pretend to care about every damn life that drops dead are annoying. Did you care about people who died of the flu? You go build a shrine to everyone that drops dead if it makes you feel better but dont guilt trip because you decided that Covid deaths matter so much to you. Guess what even with a vaccine this thing will still be around a decade from now, we have eradicated 2 diseases, it takes decades and a massive world initiative to do it, so buckle up and realize people die, we dont think life is expendable but dammit we better get back to work, if people die well people die, It sucks but excuse me if i dont call up every family member of the dead and offer my condolences

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The most frustrating thing to me, by far, is allowing the idea that we could stop people from getting it to creep into our way of thinking. Now you see it every day, and in our current environment it is going to get worse.

But there is no stopping COVID-19. That was never the intention of the closures. Saying it was is revisionist. It is a cornovirus that is going to run thru our society, probably over and over again, for the foreseeable future. And just about everyone at some point is going to get it. The faster people come to this realization the better.

If that reality would have been communicated better from the beginning we would not be arguing about whether or not it is time to re open the economy.

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Agreed. The national leadership and messaging has been bad from the jump. And there's still no clear plan or exit strategy. Now it's just all the governors for themselves.

Yep. Single most frustrating thing has been the lack of clear disaster planning. There are multi-billion dollar agencies (and medical companies) that have apparently never done a lick of planning.

When I do testing, the first step is defining all of the options. How in Gods name do you go through the options and NOT come up with: respiratory disease that emerges after a relatively long contagious incubation period. Honestly, the fact that this isn't MORE deadly is absolutely the beat case scenario. There are young people dying but not really and even then, most have some other issue. That's a win given our slow response.

The lack of preparedness for this at nearly every level is stunning. I feel for the local and school officials who are having to figure this out on the fly.

CapCityAg89 said:

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Yep. Single most frustrating thing has been the lack of clear disaster planning. There are multi-billion dollar agencies (and medical companies) that have apparently never done a lick of planning.

When I do testing, the first step is defining all of the options. How in Gods name do you go through the options and NOT come up with: respiratory disease that emerges after a relatively long contagious incubation period. Honestly, the fact that this isn't MORE deadly is absolutely the beat case scenario. There are young people dying but not really and even then, most have some other issue. That's a win given our slow response.

The lack of preparedness for this at nearly every level is stunning. I feel for the local and school officials who are having to figure this out on the fly.

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I couldn't agree more. Cap, could you imagine if we had this same disease but instead of targeting the old it killed the young and healthy like Spanish Flu did? It's inexcusable that we were so unprepared.

Karen?

GE said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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How many *******s won't even take the simple step of wearing a mask in public

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If I go into public and don't cough or sneeze even one time how is me wearing a mask helping anybody else?

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If the people within 6 feet of me have masks on, I wear one because it obviously matters to them and it's polite. In a store where someone is working I do it as a matter of respect. It's really just a master of being polite and thoughtful to those around us.

My frustration, as a scientist (50+ patents), is with the R&D community, which has had over 20 years to prepare for this, and with government that has not stepped in when private funding failed.

I have been following the antibiotic resistant bacteria calamity that is lurking ever closer, and I thought that a bacterium would be the one that got us. However, after reading The Hot Zone, The Demon in the Freezer, and following the most recent large ebola outbreaks, the fact that we're dealing with a virus isn't surprising.

The frustrations are several fold. First, a deplorable lack of will in big pharma to work on broader approaches to viruses like SARS, MERS, flu, Covid-19. It is beyond obvious that there are dozens or more of these viruses lurking out there, and it's only a matter of time until the next one hits. What will be the fatality rate? Whom will it hit - older immunocompromised people, or young people who've only been through a few flu seasons and had fewer shots?

Our vaccine efforts are now pigeonholed on this two-bit poser, when the real deal may be just around the corner. And if the vaccine is specific and only confers temporary immunity, how many vaccines will we need? There has to be a more blanketing solution. We've had 20+ years to work on this, but nobody in government or pharma cared.

The final frustration is not just with the companies dominated by shareholders who won't get the fat dividends if the antacid tablets and nicotine gum doesn't get cranked out of the factory. It's also the disgusting political indifference. Case in point? Ebola. Anybody notice how the vaccine just happened to coincide with an infected person landing at DFW? Pitiful.

The fear response in my fellow Americans and the overreaction based on political considerations by our government.

the spectrum of patient presentations is insane....patient's ive seen who came up positive:
-old woman who has fever and cough
- middle age man who presents as a trauma, was so weak he slipped and cracked his head open (weak cuz of covid)
-middle age man who passed out driving on the highway....also a trauma activation
-elderly patient with altered mental status (encephalitis)
- middle age man with chest pain (myocarditis)
-perfectly healthy 35 year old who couldn't breath and had to be intubated
-i could name a dozen more.

i've never seen anything like this

DadHammer said:

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The way it got political, you would think for this pandemic we could work together for the common good. We are destroying our economy and our freedoms.

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Ironic post is ironic.

TxAG#2011 said:

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Just the lack of regard for the health and lives of other people. COVID has now killed more Americans than Vietnam in just a few months, people who would otherwise be alive, and a whole lot of people will just handwave their deaths away because they're old, have a preexisting condition, live in another state, etc.

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People who make stupid death toll comparisons between a war and a virus as if it is remotely comparable.

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Messy handwriting, especially that of doctors, indirectly leads to a whopping number of 7,000 deaths annually. Patients' prescriptions can often be mixed up, causing them to receive the wrong dosage or incorrect medicine altogether.

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Where is your outrage over doctors killing people because of poor penmanship? 7,000 seems pretty significant especially since we put our lives in their hands.

That it's mostly all been overblown bull*****

Open up America. Enough of this nonsense.

That it will kill me or if I survive leave me with a lasting disability and huge medical bills.

The reverse Darwinism aspect of it, coupled with a crazy prolonged incubation period. Where the denial crowd can be out and about spreading it, not giving a damn, and common sense people (not panic/not denier, just middle ground smart) and their families are the ones that could bear the brunt.

And after reading actual Medical Personnel on this board, that if hit, my predisposition w/ asthma could quite literally put me in a coin toss situation. Or my upper 70s mom who we take care of just by her constitution could be taken out. Or the lingering lifelong kidney, various organ issues survivors could face for the rest of ones life, as quoted Actual Medical Personnel on the board.

LOL that and off the chance the same person that potentially infects me could be one of the vocal minority zoo posters that use the mechanism of fear known commonly as denial, acting like it's eternally March 1st and dubs this "a flu" (just kidding but the fact it actually could be someone with the same combination or arrogance/ignorance frustrates me).